"Could the seven independently leave the league and reform as a smaller, more valuable conference? Could a subset of the seven join a new conference — the Big 12, SEC or Big Ten?"
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-college-fo...19343.html

Not a new idea, I floated the idea before, just dint think it had much of a chance. "The seven" is referring to the Magnificent 7: FSU, Clem, UNC, UM, NCSU, VT, UVA. Nice to see someone with a bigger platform float the idea, maybe it gains traction and it happens.

The article mentions Clemson has been working behind the scenes the last several months to file their own suit vs the ACC. Remember that the Magnificent 7 started with FSU and Clemson, then Miami and UNC, then the others. Perhaps there is more with us than against us.

(03-08-2024 06:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  "Could the seven independently leave the league and reform as a smaller, more valuable conference? Could a subset of the seven join a new conference — the Big 12, SEC or Big Ten?"
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-college-fo...19343.html

Not a new idea, I floated the idea before, just dint think it had much of a chance. "The seven" is referring to the Magnificent 7: FSU, Clem, UNC, UM, NCSU, VT, UVA. Nice to see someone with a bigger platform float the idea, maybe it gains traction and it happens.

The article mentions Clemson has been working behind the scenes the last several months to file their own suit vs the ACC. Remember that the Magnificent 7 started with FSU and Clemson, then Miami and UNC, then the others. Perhaps there is more with us than against us.

I saw that, too. I think they suggested including Louisville to get to 8 teams, minimum.

That group would be almost as valuable as the entire ACC, and could pull teams from both the ACC and the Big XII to get to 12 if necessary. There's your P3.

(03-08-2024 07:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  "Could the seven independently leave the league and reform as a smaller, more valuable conference? Could a subset of the seven join a new conference — the Big 12, SEC or Big Ten?"
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-college-fo...19343.html

Not a new idea, I floated the idea before, just dint think it had much of a chance. "The seven" is referring to the Magnificent 7: FSU, Clem, UNC, UM, NCSU, VT, UVA. Nice to see someone with a bigger platform float the idea, maybe it gains traction and it happens.

The article mentions Clemson has been working behind the scenes the last several months to file their own suit vs the ACC. Remember that the Magnificent 7 started with FSU and Clemson, then Miami and UNC, then the others. Perhaps there is more with us than against us.

I saw that, too. I think they suggested including Louisville to get to 8 teams, minimum.

That group would be almost as valuable as the entire ACC, and could pull teams from both the ACC and the Big XII to get to 12 if necessary. There's your P3.

I'd prefer this than to see the SEC and B1G cherry pick the ACC. I'd hope that a spinoff conference leaves enough for the ACC to soldier on.

ACC - UNC, Duke, Wake, UVA, BC, SU, / SMU, Cal, Stan, Utah, OSU, SDSU

MagC - FSU, Clem, GT, NCSU, UH, Tulane / Miami, Pitt, VT, UL, WVU, Cinci

(03-08-2024 06:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  "The seven" is referring to the Magnificent 7: FSU, Clem, UNC, UM, NCSU, VT, UVA.

"Hello Petitti? Yes, it turns out recently unforseen events mean the Institute can accept being a geographic outlier now."

(03-08-2024 08:01 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 07:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  "Could the seven independently leave the league and reform as a smaller, more valuable conference? Could a subset of the seven join a new conference — the Big 12, SEC or Big Ten?"
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-college-fo...19343.html

Not a new idea, I floated the idea before, just dint think it had much of a chance. "The seven" is referring to the Magnificent 7: FSU, Clem, UNC, UM, NCSU, VT, UVA. Nice to see someone with a bigger platform float the idea, maybe it gains traction and it happens.

The article mentions Clemson has been working behind the scenes the last several months to file their own suit vs the ACC. Remember that the Magnificent 7 started with FSU and Clemson, then Miami and UNC, then the others. Perhaps there is more with us than against us.

I saw that, too. I think they suggested including Louisville to get to 8 teams, minimum.

That group would be almost as valuable as the entire ACC, and could pull teams from both the ACC and the Big XII to get to 12 if necessary. There's your P3.

I'd prefer this than to see the SEC and B1G cherry pick the ACC. I'd hope that a spinoff conference leaves enough for the ACC to soldier on.

ACC - UNC, Duke, Wake, UVA, BC, SU, / SMU, Cal, Stan, Utah, OSU, SDSU

MagC - FSU, Clem, GT, NCSU, UH, Tulane / Miami, Pitt, VT, UL, WVU, Cinci

Interesting choices, for sure.

I must assume the "OSU" in the ACC must be Oregon State. I suppose you are leaving Oklahoma State in the Big XII, then?

(03-08-2024 09:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 08:01 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 07:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  "Could the seven independently leave the league and reform as a smaller, more valuable conference? Could a subset of the seven join a new conference — the Big 12, SEC or Big Ten?"
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-college-fo...19343.html

Not a new idea, I floated the idea before, just dint think it had much of a chance. "The seven" is referring to the Magnificent 7: FSU, Clem, UNC, UM, NCSU, VT, UVA. Nice to see someone with a bigger platform float the idea, maybe it gains traction and it happens.

The article mentions Clemson has been working behind the scenes the last several months to file their own suit vs the ACC. Remember that the Magnificent 7 started with FSU and Clemson, then Miami and UNC, then the others. Perhaps there is more with us than against us.

I saw that, too. I think they suggested including Louisville to get to 8 teams, minimum.

That group would be almost as valuable as the entire ACC, and could pull teams from both the ACC and the Big XII to get to 12 if necessary. There's your P3.

I'd prefer this than to see the SEC and B1G cherry pick the ACC. I'd hope that a spinoff conference leaves enough for the ACC to soldier on.

ACC - UNC, Duke, Wake, UVA, BC, SU, / SMU, Cal, Stan, Utah, OSU, SDSU

MagC - FSU, Clem, GT, NCSU, UH, Tulane / Miami, Pitt, VT, UL, WVU, Cinci

Interesting choices, for sure.

I must assume the "OSU" in the ACC must be Oregon State. I suppose you are leaving Oklahoma State in the Big XII, then?

Correct. Not trying to destroy the Big12. Ok St. would be an odd duck in this ACC alignment.

(03-08-2024 09:32 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 08:01 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 07:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  "Could the seven independently leave the league and reform as a smaller, more valuable conference? Could a subset of the seven join a new conference — the Big 12, SEC or Big Ten?"
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-college-fo...19343.html

Not a new idea, I floated the idea before, just dint think it had much of a chance. "The seven" is referring to the Magnificent 7: FSU, Clem, UNC, UM, NCSU, VT, UVA. Nice to see someone with a bigger platform float the idea, maybe it gains traction and it happens.

The article mentions Clemson has been working behind the scenes the last several months to file their own suit vs the ACC. Remember that the Magnificent 7 started with FSU and Clemson, then Miami and UNC, then the others. Perhaps there is more with us than against us.

I saw that, too. I think they suggested including Louisville to get to 8 teams, minimum.

That group would be almost as valuable as the entire ACC, and could pull teams from both the ACC and the Big XII to get to 12 if necessary. There's your P3.

I'd prefer this than to see the SEC and B1G cherry pick the ACC. I'd hope that a spinoff conference leaves enough for the ACC to soldier on.

ACC - UNC, Duke, Wake, UVA, BC, SU, / SMU, Cal, Stan, Utah, OSU, SDSU

MagC - FSU, Clem, GT, NCSU, UH, Tulane / Miami, Pitt, VT, UL, WVU, Cinci

Interesting choices, for sure.

I must assume the "OSU" in the ACC must be Oregon State. I suppose you are leaving Oklahoma State in the Big XII, then?

Correct. Not trying to destroy the Big12. Ok St. would be an odd duck in this ACC alignment.

And Oregon State wouldn’t be?

The problem with the smaller conference theory is that you are really talking about getting rid of Wake Forest.

Boston College for all it's athletic decline still causes the ACCN to have a check written for the State of Massachusetts. For as bad as UVa football can be it's media footprint include DC as NOVA is a part of the DC Metro. For as bad as Duke football is most years, they have a basketball program that people love to hate. Syracuse causes checks to be written for the ACCN from the State of NY. That leaves Wake as the only true redundancy in the league.

If you kick out Wake, you can make $3M a school. If you replaced Wake with say Tulane and barely paid them you would make an additional $3.5 M or so per school.

How much extra money do you think the VT, UVa, Duke, NC State, GT, and Clemson need to stab WF in the back? $20 million a year extra wont get Duke or UVa to sign on to that. The poltiical consternation in SW Va and the Triad of NC would be biblical.

(03-08-2024 09:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:32 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 08:01 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 07:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I saw that, too. I think they suggested including Louisville to get to 8 teams, minimum.

That group would be almost as valuable as the entire ACC, and could pull teams from both the ACC and the Big XII to get to 12 if necessary. There's your P3.

I'd prefer this than to see the SEC and B1G cherry pick the ACC. I'd hope that a spinoff conference leaves enough for the ACC to soldier on.

ACC - UNC, Duke, Wake, UVA, BC, SU, / SMU, Cal, Stan, Utah, OSU, SDSU

MagC - FSU, Clem, GT, NCSU, UH, Tulane / Miami, Pitt, VT, UL, WVU, Cinci

Interesting choices, for sure.

I must assume the "OSU" in the ACC must be Oregon State. I suppose you are leaving Oklahoma State in the Big XII, then?

Correct. Not trying to destroy the Big12. Ok St. would be an odd duck in this ACC alignment.

And Oregon State wouldn’t be?

OSU fits well enough with Califord and Utah.

(03-08-2024 09:38 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:32 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 08:01 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 07:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I saw that, too. I think they suggested including Louisville to get to 8 teams, minimum.

That group would be almost as valuable as the entire ACC, and could pull teams from both the ACC and the Big XII to get to 12 if necessary. There's your P3.

I'd prefer this than to see the SEC and B1G cherry pick the ACC. I'd hope that a spinoff conference leaves enough for the ACC to soldier on.

ACC - UNC, Duke, Wake, UVA, BC, SU, / SMU, Cal, Stan, Utah, OSU, SDSU

MagC - FSU, Clem, GT, NCSU, UH, Tulane / Miami, Pitt, VT, UL, WVU, Cinci

Interesting choices, for sure.

I must assume the "OSU" in the ACC must be Oregon State. I suppose you are leaving Oklahoma State in the Big XII, then?

Correct. Not trying to destroy the Big12. Ok St. would be an odd duck in this ACC alignment.

And Oregon State wouldn’t be?

It's my fantasy, deal with it.

I'll construct the new nB12

TTU, Az, ASU, CU, BYU, BSU, WSU, (Gonz) / ISU, KSU, KU, TCU, Baylor, UCF, USF

If I was trying to make the most profitable P3 conference, I would take one team per state from the biggest states with the best available football programs:

Florida State
Georgia Tech
Clemson
NC State
Virginia Tech
Pitt
Syracuse
Boston College
Louisville
SMU
Cal
+Cincinnati (or Oregon State if you can't get them)
==========
12 teams, 12 states (including the 5 biggest and 8 of the top 10)

Note: keep the Notre Dame scheduling agreement for a 13th state

The author added this idea, it’s not being discussed as a realistic possibility.

(03-08-2024 07:31 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:31 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  "Could the seven independently leave the league and reform as a smaller, more valuable conference? Could a subset of the seven join a new conference — the Big 12, SEC or Big Ten?"
https://sports.yahoo.com/with-college-fo...19343.html

Not a new idea, I floated the idea before, just dint think it had much of a chance. "The seven" is referring to the Magnificent 7: FSU, Clem, UNC, UM, NCSU, VT, UVA. Nice to see someone with a bigger platform float the idea, maybe it gains traction and it happens.

The article mentions Clemson has been working behind the scenes the last several months to file their own suit vs the ACC. Remember that the Magnificent 7 started with FSU and Clemson, then Miami and UNC, then the others. Perhaps there is more with us than against us.

I saw that, too. I think they suggested including Louisville to get to 8 teams, minimum.

That's what I was thinking (Louisville or GT). I could also see them bringing on ND and maybe Duke for olympic sports, and then have a 4 game scheduling agreement for their football teams giving the 8 teams an 8th game. If Duke joins, I'm sure UNC, NCST, UVA, and possibly GT, if involved, would keep Duke annually giving them 6 FB games + Wake Forest for a 7th game.

(03-08-2024 09:38 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  The problem with the smaller conference theory is that you are really talking about getting rid of Wake Forest.

Boston College for all it's athletic decline still causes the ACCN to have a check written for the State of Massachusetts. For as bad as UVa football can be it's media footprint include DC as NOVA is a part of the DC Metro. For as bad as Duke football is most years, they have a basketball program that people love to hate. Syracuse causes checks to be written for the ACCN from the State of NY. That leaves Wake as the only true redundancy in the league.

If you kick out Wake, you can make $3M a school. If you replaced Wake with say Tulane and barely paid them you would make an additional $3.5 M or so per school.

How much extra money do you think the VT, UVa, Duke, NC State, GT, and Clemson need to stab WF in the back? $20 million a year extra wont get Duke or UVa to sign on to that. The poltiical consternation in SW Va and the Triad of NC would be biblical.

Wake is obviously the school that brings the averages down the most. They are the 4th and smallest school in a small area.

Serious conversations need to be had about either giving them a Notre Dame type deal or a payout so they can buy a spot in the Big East.

If Utah really does have an out then you could try to add them. Or just stay at 16. I doubt the contract would go down at all. It's harsh but at some point everyone is going to get left behind if we just accept status quo.

(03-09-2024 08:55 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:38 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  The problem with the smaller conference theory is that you are really talking about getting rid of Wake Forest.

Boston College for all it's athletic decline still causes the ACCN to have a check written for the State of Massachusetts. For as bad as UVa football can be it's media footprint include DC as NOVA is a part of the DC Metro. For as bad as Duke football is most years, they have a basketball program that people love to hate. Syracuse causes checks to be written for the ACCN from the State of NY. That leaves Wake as the only true redundancy in the league.

If you kick out Wake, you can make $3M a school. If you replaced Wake with say Tulane and barely paid them you would make an additional $3.5 M or so per school.

How much extra money do you think the VT, UVa, Duke, NC State, GT, and Clemson need to stab WF in the back? $20 million a year extra wont get Duke or UVa to sign on to that. The poltiical consternation in SW Va and the Triad of NC would be biblical.

Wake is obviously the school that brings the averages down the most. They are the 4th and smallest school in a small area.

Serious conversations need to be had about either giving them a Notre Dame type deal or a payout so they can buy a spot in the Big East.

If Utah really does have an out then you could try to add them. Or just stay at 16. I doubt the contract would go down at all. It's harsh but at some point everyone is going to get left behind if we just accept status quo.

The problem with that line of thought is the marginal benefit of getting rid of Wake is minimal. It's not like replacing WF with Tennessee. Politically VT, UVa, NC State, and UNC can't vote to hurt Wake Forest. So they start any voting scenario with a minnimum of 5 votes in their pocket.

(03-09-2024 09:28 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 08:55 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:38 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  The problem with the smaller conference theory is that you are really talking about getting rid of Wake Forest.

Boston College for all it's athletic decline still causes the ACCN to have a check written for the State of Massachusetts. For as bad as UVa football can be it's media footprint include DC as NOVA is a part of the DC Metro. For as bad as Duke football is most years, they have a basketball program that people love to hate. Syracuse causes checks to be written for the ACCN from the State of NY. That leaves Wake as the only true redundancy in the league.

If you kick out Wake, you can make $3M a school. If you replaced Wake with say Tulane and barely paid them you would make an additional $3.5 M or so per school.

How much extra money do you think the VT, UVa, Duke, NC State, GT, and Clemson need to stab WF in the back? $20 million a year extra wont get Duke or UVa to sign on to that. The poltiical consternation in SW Va and the Triad of NC would be biblical.

Wake is obviously the school that brings the averages down the most. They are the 4th and smallest school in a small area.

Serious conversations need to be had about either giving them a Notre Dame type deal or a payout so they can buy a spot in the Big East.

If Utah really does have an out then you could try to add them. Or just stay at 16. I doubt the contract would go down at all. It's harsh but at some point everyone is going to get left behind if we just accept status quo.

The problem with that line of thought is the marginal benefit of getting rid of Wake is minimal. It's not like replacing WF with Tennessee. Politically VT, UVa, NC State, and UNC can't vote to hurt Wake Forest. So they start any voting scenario with a minnimum of 5 votes in their pocket.

A slight adjustment in my new ACC proposal would have Wake getting a ND type of deal with the ACC, except 4 football games with the ACC, 2 with the Big12, 2 with the MagC. That's 8 guaranteed games and all other sports stay in the ACC. UConn is promoted to join SU and BC to fill out that NE presence.

(03-09-2024 09:28 AM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 08:55 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:38 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  The problem with the smaller conference theory is that you are really talking about getting rid of Wake Forest.

Boston College for all it's athletic decline still causes the ACCN to have a check written for the State of Massachusetts. For as bad as UVa football can be it's media footprint include DC as NOVA is a part of the DC Metro. For as bad as Duke football is most years, they have a basketball program that people love to hate. Syracuse causes checks to be written for the ACCN from the State of NY. That leaves Wake as the only true redundancy in the league.

If you kick out Wake, you can make $3M a school. If you replaced Wake with say Tulane and barely paid them you would make an additional $3.5 M or so per school.

How much extra money do you think the VT, UVa, Duke, NC State, GT, and Clemson need to stab WF in the back? $20 million a year extra wont get Duke or UVa to sign on to that. The poltiical consternation in SW Va and the Triad of NC would be biblical.

Wake is obviously the school that brings the averages down the most. They are the 4th and smallest school in a small area.

Serious conversations need to be had about either giving them a Notre Dame type deal or a payout so they can buy a spot in the Big East.

If Utah really does have an out then you could try to add them. Or just stay at 16. I doubt the contract would go down at all. It's harsh but at some point everyone is going to get left behind if we just accept status quo.

The problem with that line of thought is the marginal benefit of getting rid of Wake is minimal. It's not like replacing WF with Tennessee. Politically VT, UVa, NC State, and UNC can't vote to hurt Wake Forest. So they start any voting scenario with a minnimum of 5 votes in their pocket.

So the only way to shake loose is to blow up the ACC and form a new league from scratch? Seems like I've heard that idea before (not from me)...

Fun fact: 4/7 of the dead as a doornail Mag7 voted for expansion—which is the exact opposite of contraction.

(03-09-2024 08:55 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:38 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  The problem with the smaller conference theory is that you are really talking about getting rid of Wake Forest.

Boston College for all it's athletic decline still causes the ACCN to have a check written for the State of Massachusetts. For as bad as UVa football can be it's media footprint include DC as NOVA is a part of the DC Metro. For as bad as Duke football is most years, they have a basketball program that people love to hate. Syracuse causes checks to be written for the ACCN from the State of NY. That leaves Wake as the only true redundancy in the league.

If you kick out Wake, you can make $3M a school. If you replaced Wake with say Tulane and barely paid them you would make an additional $3.5 M or so per school.

How much extra money do you think the VT, UVa, Duke, NC State, GT, and Clemson need to stab WF in the back? $20 million a year extra wont get Duke or UVa to sign on to that. The poltiical consternation in SW Va and the Triad of NC would be biblical.

Wake is obviously the school that brings the averages down the most. They are the 4th and smallest school in a small area.

Serious conversations need to be had about either giving them a Notre Dame type deal or a payout so they can buy a spot in the Big East.

If Utah really does have an out then you could try to add them. Or just stay at 16. I doubt the contract would go down at all. It's harsh but at some point everyone is going to get left behind if we just accept status quo.

I don't see a future where Wake Forest is ever kicked out of the ACC. I can imagine a situation where they are ACC members for everything but football though, and with some sort of scheduling arrangement which would actually make it easier to deal with ND scheduling probably.