(03-12-2024 09:07 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:10 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 05:58 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  You have that backwards. Those schools all bring new states and TV markets. That means huge increases in cable carriage fees. It is St John’s and Villanova that bring nothing to the ACC, because they are in states with other ACC members. Georgetown only brings DC, which is a relatively small TV market.

Washington is the 9th largest media market in the nation. But you lost me at "increases in cable carriage fees." Cable TV is going the way of the DVD.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Georgetown is located within the confines of Washington DC. You only get the cable increases based on geographic borders. Not DMV boarders. So while the DC TV market may big (5m), the portion the city itself brings is relatively small (650k). The TV sets in Md and Va getting DC channels don't count.

OTA TV was supposed to kill radio. Then cable/satellite TV came out and people were convinced it would kill OTA TV Neither happened. As for cable/satellite going away, that's not going to happen either. There will be some continued adjustment in the marketplace. But cable is no more going away than the big four networks did. I would argue that we are just as likely to see an increase of the big conferences getting more of their best games on both OTA networks and the two main cable sports networks. The reason being ease for the casual fan to find the games which drives viewership and revenue. Streaming is where you find hardcore fans of the G-leagues, the mid and low major conferences or fan of non-revenue producing Olympic sports.

No, that hasn’t been how the carriage works. At least for the Big Ten, it has generally been the entire state plus the portions of TV markets within that state that cross over state borders that those schools are deemed to carry. So, with Maryland, BTN has basic carriage in the entire State of Maryland plus DC and Northern Virginia. Rutgers brings New Jersey plus the parts of the NYC metro area outside of NJ. Illinois brings the whole St. Louis area (even the parts in Missouri) since it’s a home team for that market.

(03-16-2024 08:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 09:07 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 08:10 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 05:58 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  You have that backwards. Those schools all bring new states and TV markets. That means huge increases in cable carriage fees. It is St John’s and Villanova that bring nothing to the ACC, because they are in states with other ACC members. Georgetown only brings DC, which is a relatively small TV market.

Washington is the 9th largest media market in the nation. But you lost me at "increases in cable carriage fees." Cable TV is going the way of the DVD.

Correct me if I am wrong, but Georgetown is located within the confines of Washington DC. You only get the cable increases based on geographic borders. Not DMV boarders. So while the DC TV market may big (5m), the portion the city itself brings is relatively small (650k). The TV sets in Md and Va getting DC channels don't count.

OTA TV was supposed to kill radio. Then cable/satellite TV came out and people were convinced it would kill OTA TV Neither happened. As for cable/satellite going away, that's not going to happen either. There will be some continued adjustment in the marketplace. But cable is no more going away than the big four networks did. I would argue that we are just as likely to see an increase of the big conferences getting more of their best games on both OTA networks and the two main cable sports networks. The reason being ease for the casual fan to find the games which drives viewership and revenue. Streaming is where you find hardcore fans of the G-leagues, the mid and low major conferences or fan of non-revenue producing Olympic sports.

No, that hasn’t been how the carriage works. At least for the Big Ten, it has generally been the entire state plus the portions of TV markets within that state that cross over state borders that those schools are deemed to carry. So, with Maryland, BTN has basic carriage in the entire State of Maryland plus DC and Northern Virginia. Rutgers brings New Jersey plus the parts of the NYC metro area outside of NJ. Illinois brings the whole St. Louis area (even the parts in Missouri) since it’s a home team for that market.

Frank, if what you are saying is true, then Rutgers did not bring the entire state of NJ. Remember 1/3 of the state is in the Philly DMV. That would have already been covered by PSU. I can't find anything to refute what you are saying, because so much is behind pay walls. What articles I do see that agree with you are from Bleacher Report, which is not a trusted reference.

That being said, if what you are saying is true, then Syracuse already brings the entire state of New York. Which it does. That is what the value of poaching Cuse was about, not getting the bustling metropolises in Upsate. That makes an ACC add of St Johns essentially worthless. The only value would be if the ACC could get MSG for its CCT. But ask yourself how often is tobacco road willing to move its tournament to NYC? It would also make adding Georgetown worthless, since the DC DMV would already be covered by having UVa and VT bringing that entire market. It still does not change the value of Villanova, sine according to you Pitt brings all of Pa and the NJ portion of the Philly DMV. So all of these teams only bring the value of their strength for getting people to stream their basketball games.
Oh, it also wouldn't change the values of adding DePaul, Butler and/or Marquette all of whom would bring entire new states into the ACCN. Meaning they would all still be more valuable additions to the ACC than St Johns, Villanova or Georgetown.

(03-13-2024 09:59 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Keep Providence in the mix and the ACC has the beginings of a hockey conference. PC, BC, ND & UCONN. Maybe Cuse could be persuaded to sponsor a program

Just watched uconn win the BE title and now watching them play BC in a good quarterfinal game. Even though I’m not sure these teams would leave Hockey east for the Acc hockey. In this scenario

(03-16-2024 08:46 PM)mike012779 Wrote:  

(03-13-2024 09:59 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Keep Providence in the mix and the ACC has the beginings of a hockey conference. PC, BC, ND & UCONN. Maybe Cuse could be persuaded to sponsor a program

Just watched uconn win the BE title and now watching them play BC in a good quarterfinal game. Even though I’m not sure these teams would leave Hockey east for the Acc hockey. In this scenario

Don't get me wrong I think these schools and college hockey in general are/would be better served remaining in Hockey East. I also think college hockey and the B1G schools were better off with them being in their old leagues and not B1G hockey