It all feels like a manopoly of the system with the Italian mob crime bosses running the show.

(03-15-2024 08:22 AM)hburg Wrote:  It all feels like a manopoly of the system with the Italian mob crime bosses running the show.

Hey, Rip Van Winkle … . you just wake up from a long nap?

It’s Always been a Monopoly…. . This is just more of the Rich getting Richer, and the rest groveling for table scraps.

Or did you really think they were going to cut you in for an equal piece of the pie?

You wanna “feel like you belong” with the Big Boy Programs, become a UVA fan. G5 Program ain’t never gonna make the cut.

(03-15-2024 08:55 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 08:22 AM)hburg Wrote:  It all feels like a manopoly of the system with the Italian mob crime bosses running the show.

Hey, Rip Van Winkle … . you just wake up from a long nap?

It’s Always been a Monopoly…. . This is just more of the Rich getting Richer, and the rest groveling for table scraps.

Or did you really think they were going to cut you in for an equal piece of the pie?

You wanna “feel like you belong” with the Big Boy Programs, become a UVA fan. G5 Program ain’t never gonna make the cut.

seesh man.... what's up with the condencending tone.

(03-14-2024 05:48 PM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Why is it so much to demand that 2 G5 get in? I mean they’d be calling us greedy if we demanded that 3 out of ~75 teams in while they get 13 teams in out of ~60 teams in. Absolutely ludicrous.

Because they have all of the power. They will never see the G5 as equals and in their minds we should just be happy with the scraps they give us and shut up and sit in the corner. Not saying it's right, and not saying I agree, but that is the reality we are in.

(03-14-2024 10:08 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Does anyone know or read what the potential value of a G5 or M2G5 playoff might be? My guess is not much or there would be more discussion about it.


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My wild guess is that we agreed to the current deal to buy time to make contacts on this.

There's no feasible way we could create our own playoff by 2026 and be able to guarantee the money. We would need a TV provider to be willing to put 20-25 Mil a year on the table most likely.

(03-15-2024 08:58 AM)hburg Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 08:55 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 08:22 AM)hburg Wrote:  It all feels like a manopoly of the system with the Italian mob crime bosses running the show.

Hey, Rip Van Winkle … . you just wake up from a long nap?

It’s Always been a Monopoly…. . This is just more of the Rich getting Richer, and the rest groveling for table scraps.

Or did you really think they were going to cut you in for an equal piece of the pie?

You wanna “feel like you belong” with the Big Boy Programs, become a UVA fan. G5 Program ain’t never gonna make the cut.

seesh man.... what's up with the condencending tone.

Bobcat87 woke up and chose violence today.

I wouldn't hate a G5 playoff but we can't concede yet. The Sun Belt can't do anything that makes it seem like we are waving the white flag if the MWC & AAC are still fighting the fight to stay with the M2+P2. That would elevate them above us in perception worse than ever and it would be game over.

(03-15-2024 10:20 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 08:58 AM)hburg Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 08:55 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 08:22 AM)hburg Wrote:  It all feels like a manopoly of the system with the Italian mob crime bosses running the show.

Hey, Rip Van Winkle … . you just wake up from a long nap?

It’s Always been a Monopoly…. . This is just more of the Rich getting Richer, and the rest groveling for table scraps.

Or did you really think they were going to cut you in for an equal piece of the pie?

You wanna “feel like you belong” with the Big Boy Programs, become a UVA fan. G5 Program ain’t never gonna make the cut.

seesh man.... what's up with the condencending tone.

Bobcat87 woke up and chose violence today.

(03-15-2024 10:26 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I wouldn't hate a G5 playoff but we can't concede yet. The Sun Belt can't do anything that makes it seem like we are waving the white flag if the MWC & AAC are still fighting the fight to stay with the M2+P2. That would elevate them above us in perception worse than ever and it would be game over.

I agree with not voluntarily doing it. It will happen naturally soon enough, but I wish whatever end game they know is coming would just go ahead and get here. It will probably have to wait until all the court cases vs the NCAA are settled though.

In the meantime the SBC needs to finally get over the hump and send a team to the playoffs. May as well try and make a run at it while we can. It sure is hard when teams that you are competing against are making a lot more money than you can openly buy players though.

(03-15-2024 09:48 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 10:08 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Does anyone know or read what the potential value of a G5 or M2G5 playoff might be? My guess is not much or there would be more discussion about it.


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My wild guess is that we agreed to the current deal to buy time to make contacts on this.

There's no feasible way we could create our own playoff by 2026 and be able to guarantee the money. We would need a TV provider to be willing to put 20-25 Mil a year on the table most likely.

And that's why we're not going to do this until we have to. The crumbs from their table is still more valuable. The G5 is getting north if 100M/year from ths deal.

(03-15-2024 10:53 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 09:48 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 10:08 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Does anyone know or read what the potential value of a G5 or M2G5 playoff might be? My guess is not much or there would be more discussion about it.


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My wild guess is that we agreed to the current deal to buy time to make contacts on this.

There's no feasible way we could create our own playoff by 2026 and be able to guarantee the money. We would need a TV provider to be willing to put 20-25 Mil a year on the table most likely.

And that's why we're not going to do this until we have to. The crumbs from their table is still more valuable. The G5 is getting north if 100M/year from ths deal.

This is part of the reason that it doesn't seem to me that the G5 commissioners really have a choice in the matter. They can fight for their family, and I hope they are, but that money holds a lot of leverage.

The other part of the leverage, I would argue, is that there are probably tons of fans and boosters who would still prefer participation in an unfair system that represents the top of the game vs. equity in a system that's known to be a step below. As an example...and I don't doubt that this is going to annoy a few folks because I'm a fan of a team that never established success in FCS...it's hard to imagine that many 2017 UCF fans who now get to say "we deserved a shot, but the system screwed us," would rather say "we were champions of the next-best level." Maybe if there's something in addition to the CFP for G5s who don't make it...sort of an NIT/CBI for G5s...I would support it, but I just see a lot of fans' being unwilling to go along with a plan that acknowledges their school is at a lower level than others in their state, even if the reality is that it often plays out like that.

Really, it comes down to that age-old attitude being hard to get past...but perhaps rightfully so...

I just dont understand why non P2s continue to bend over and take it. Stand up to these MFers. Id love to hear Keith give us any reasons why this is good other than imaginary "access". It'd be like Mike Tyson saying he'll take on one underdog, but only after he starves them to the point of extreme weakness while he eats steak.

(03-15-2024 11:10 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 10:53 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 09:48 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 10:08 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Does anyone know or read what the potential value of a G5 or M2G5 playoff might be? My guess is not much or there would be more discussion about it.


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My wild guess is that we agreed to the current deal to buy time to make contacts on this.

There's no feasible way we could create our own playoff by 2026 and be able to guarantee the money. We would need a TV provider to be willing to put 20-25 Mil a year on the table most likely.

And that's why we're not going to do this until we have to. The crumbs from their table is still more valuable. The G5 is getting north if 100M/year from ths deal.

This is part of the reason that it doesn't seem to me that the G5 commissioners really have a choice in the matter. They can fight for their family, and I hope they are, but that money holds a lot of leverage.

The other part of the leverage, I would argue, is that there are probably tons of fans and boosters who would still prefer participation in an unfair system that represents the top of the game vs. equity in a system that's known to be a step below. As an example...and I don't doubt that this is going to annoy a few folks because I'm a fan of a team that never established success in FCS...it's hard to imagine that many 2017 UCF fans who now get to say "we deserved a shot, but the system screwed us," would rather say "we were champions of the next-best level." Maybe if there's something in addition to the CFP for G5s who don't make it...sort of an NIT/CBI for G5s...I would support it, but I just see a lot of fans' being unwilling to go along with a plan that acknowledges their school is at a lower level than others in their state, even if the reality is that it often plays out like that.

Really, it comes down to that age-old attitude being hard to get past...but perhaps rightfully so...

But its not like we choose to participate at this level. We'd all move up to the P4 if we could. They just won't let us. They pick on everyone for not being in their club, but dont let anyone join their club. And barely even play anyone outside of their club. Any system that allows a team to finish undefeated without some sort of championship is bogus.

(03-15-2024 11:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  I just dont understand why non P2s continue to bend over and take it. Stand up to these MFers. Id love to hear Keith give us any reasons why this is good other than imaginary "access". It'd be like Mike Tyson saying he'll take on one underdog, but only after he starves them to the point of extreme weakness while he eats steak.

Because they have no leg to stand on. It's really that simple.

(03-15-2024 11:23 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 11:10 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 10:53 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 09:48 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 10:08 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Does anyone know or read what the potential value of a G5 or M2G5 playoff might be? My guess is not much or there would be more discussion about it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My wild guess is that we agreed to the current deal to buy time to make contacts on this.

There's no feasible way we could create our own playoff by 2026 and be able to guarantee the money. We would need a TV provider to be willing to put 20-25 Mil a year on the table most likely.

And that's why we're not going to do this until we have to. The crumbs from their table is still more valuable. The G5 is getting north if 100M/year from ths deal.

This is part of the reason that it doesn't seem to me that the G5 commissioners really have a choice in the matter. They can fight for their family, and I hope they are, but that money holds a lot of leverage.

The other part of the leverage, I would argue, is that there are probably tons of fans and boosters who would still prefer participation in an unfair system that represents the top of the game vs. equity in a system that's known to be a step below. As an example...and I don't doubt that this is going to annoy a few folks because I'm a fan of a team that never established success in FCS...it's hard to imagine that many 2017 UCF fans who now get to say "we deserved a shot, but the system screwed us," would rather say "we were champions of the next-best level." Maybe if there's something in addition to the CFP for G5s who don't make it...sort of an NIT/CBI for G5s...I would support it, but I just see a lot of fans' being unwilling to go along with a plan that acknowledges their school is at a lower level than others in their state, even if the reality is that it often plays out like that.

Really, it comes down to that age-old attitude being hard to get past...but perhaps rightfully so...

But its not like we choose to participate at this level. We'd all move up to the P4 if we could. They just won't let us. They pick on everyone for not being in their club, but dont let anyone join their club. And barely even play anyone outside of their club. Any system that allows a team to finish undefeated without some sort of championship is bogus.

I agree with everything you wrote here. But when it comes down to it, I'm pretty sure I'd rather be a part of the bogus system that MAYBE has a unicorn bust through the glass ceiling every once in a while. I don't doubt that there are plenty of others who feel that way. They may just not realize it unless they have a specific situation like 2017 UCF to evaluate what the options really are. Men's basketball has had a few unicorns over the years, but it's really rare that they actually win a title. There's still joy and pride in taking a solid swing at it.

Now, as far as trying to level the playing field...that's not really what I'm addressing; I definitely wish we could make some progress there...but I'm still not troubled enough by it to want to fully separate from the top level.

(03-14-2024 09:40 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(03-14-2024 05:50 PM)Porcine Wrote:  I would rather watch a G5 playoff.

Honestly, I'd rather SEC and B10 just leave FBS and form their own division with their own playoff system. The remaining P2 can join the G5 and have our own playoff system. The other P2 (Big 12 and ACC) are way behind the SEC and B10 in revenue, just like the G5. Many of the current Big 12 schools are former G5 schools anyway. So a playoff system with those seven conferences would be pretty competitive.

Why would they? This is already their own playoff system. They control it and, most importantly, the money. They will milk this as long as schools and fans are willing to keep getting played.

Ok, the morning energy drink's kickin' in so let me throw this out just to short circuit some folks...We make the new Division or whatever it is.. then each of the G4s Sue each of the B2 schools for financial hardship, and while we're at it, serve Ed O'Bannon too, since he's the one that got us in the NIL mess...

(03-15-2024 10:26 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I wouldn't hate a G5 playoff but we can't concede yet. The Sun Belt can't do anything that makes it seem like we are waving the white flag if the MWC & AAC are still fighting the fight to stay with the M2+P2. That would elevate them above us in perception worse than ever and it would be game over.

No G5 showed any "fight" in these negotiations.

I wish we had a reporter that would ask Gill some tough questions about his vote and why this is the best thing for the SBC and G5.

I’d be down for an G5 league playoff if that means the P2 have no say.

Would love to see coastal play at Montana grizzly stadium