(03-21-2024 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It seems Penny has failed with several players who could have been developed differently. How many starters have we lost to transfers in the last 6 years?

I don't think we've lost any more STARTERS to transfer than any other program. That's college sports these days. Already 500-ish players in the transfer portal and it's only been open a couple of days.

(03-21-2024 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It seems Penny has failed with several players who could have been developed differently. How many starters have we lost to transfers in the last 6 years?

I don't think we've lost any more STARTERS to transfer than any other program. That's college sports these days. Already 500-ish players in the transfer portal and it's only been open a couple of days.

It is truly bizarre. You see guys like Caleb Love last year transferring from UNC to Arizona despite being a starter and playing over 35 minutes per game and having played for a championship with UNC the year before and set to return the other major contributor in Bacot.

I really do not fault any coach for any player that transfers. I think a lot of players are committing to a school knowing they will transfer to another school after a year or two just because they can. The NCAA opened pandoras box with the free transfers and NIL. I am not against players getting paid but I am against the wild west system (or lack of) the NCAA is currently allowing players to operate under.

(03-21-2024 04:38 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It seems Penny has failed with several players who could have been developed differently. How many starters have we lost to transfers in the last 6 years?

I don't think we've lost any more STARTERS to transfer than any other program. That's college sports these days. Already 500-ish players in the transfer portal and it's only been open a couple of days.

It is truly bizarre. You see guys like Caleb Love last year transferring from UNC to Arizona despite being a starter and playing over 35 minutes per game and having played for a championship with UNC the year before and set to return the other major contributor in Bacot.

I really do not fault any coach for any player that transfers. I think a lot of players are committing to a school knowing they will transfer to another school after a year or two just because they can. The NCAA opened pandoras box with the free transfers and NIL. I am not against players getting paid but I am against the wild west system (or lack of) the NCAA is currently allowing players to operate under.

It makes it harder to keep fans like me as invested in the program's success, that's for sure.

It's like minor league baseball now...the roster will change over so much each year that we hardly know who in the heck is wearing the jersey on their back.

(03-22-2024 12:00 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 04:38 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It seems Penny has failed with several players who could have been developed differently. How many starters have we lost to transfers in the last 6 years?

I don't think we've lost any more STARTERS to transfer than any other program. That's college sports these days. Already 500-ish players in the transfer portal and it's only been open a couple of days.

It is truly bizarre. You see guys like Caleb Love last year transferring from UNC to Arizona despite being a starter and playing over 35 minutes per game and having played for a championship with UNC the year before and set to return the other major contributor in Bacot.

I really do not fault any coach for any player that transfers. I think a lot of players are committing to a school knowing they will transfer to another school after a year or two just because they can. The NCAA opened pandoras box with the free transfers and NIL. I am not against players getting paid but I am against the wild west system (or lack of) the NCAA is currently allowing players to operate under.

It makes it harder to keep fans like me as invested in the program's success, that's for sure.

It's like minor league baseball now...the roster will change over so much each year that we hardly know who in the heck is wearing the jersey on their back.

Yep, the P2 don't just want all of the money, they also want all of the players too.

(03-22-2024 12:00 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 04:38 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It seems Penny has failed with several players who could have been developed differently. How many starters have we lost to transfers in the last 6 years?

I don't think we've lost any more STARTERS to transfer than any other program. That's college sports these days. Already 500-ish players in the transfer portal and it's only been open a couple of days.

It is truly bizarre. You see guys like Caleb Love last year transferring from UNC to Arizona despite being a starter and playing over 35 minutes per game and having played for a championship with UNC the year before and set to return the other major contributor in Bacot.

I really do not fault any coach for any player that transfers. I think a lot of players are committing to a school knowing they will transfer to another school after a year or two just because they can. The NCAA opened pandoras box with the free transfers and NIL. I am not against players getting paid but I am against the wild west system (or lack of) the NCAA is currently allowing players to operate under.

It makes it harder to keep fans like me as invested in the program's success, that's for sure.

It's like minor league baseball now...the roster will change over so much each year that we hardly know who in the heck is wearing the jersey on their back.

And that in itself is disconcerting and disorienting. It took me half the season to memorize players and which numbers they were wearing.

(03-23-2024 08:54 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 12:00 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 04:38 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It seems Penny has failed with several players who could have been developed differently. How many starters have we lost to transfers in the last 6 years?

I don't think we've lost any more STARTERS to transfer than any other program. That's college sports these days. Already 500-ish players in the transfer portal and it's only been open a couple of days.

It is truly bizarre. You see guys like Caleb Love last year transferring from UNC to Arizona despite being a starter and playing over 35 minutes per game and having played for a championship with UNC the year before and set to return the other major contributor in Bacot.

I really do not fault any coach for any player that transfers. I think a lot of players are committing to a school knowing they will transfer to another school after a year or two just because they can. The NCAA opened pandoras box with the free transfers and NIL. I am not against players getting paid but I am against the wild west system (or lack of) the NCAA is currently allowing players to operate under.

It makes it harder to keep fans like me as invested in the program's success, that's for sure.

It's like minor league baseball now...the roster will change over so much each year that we hardly know who in the heck is wearing the jersey on their back.

And that in itself is disconcerting and disorienting. It took me half the season to memorize players and which numbers they were wearing.

Better get used to it. If you saw the ncaa tournament so far the teams that are winning are doing it with older players. Hardly any freshmen are playing for the better teams. The key is to get transfers with at least 2 years eligibility. It’s a crap shoot but it’s still the way to go.

(03-21-2024 04:38 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It seems Penny has failed with several players who could have been developed differently. How many starters have we lost to transfers in the last 6 years?

I don't think we've lost any more STARTERS to transfer than any other program. That's college sports these days. Already 500-ish players in the transfer portal and it's only been open a couple of days.

It is truly bizarre. You see guys like Caleb Love last year transferring from UNC to Arizona despite being a starter and playing over 35 minutes per game and having played for a championship with UNC the year before and set to return the other major contributor in Bacot.

I really do not fault any coach for any player that transfers. I think a lot of players are committing to a school knowing they will transfer to another school after a year or two just because they can. The NCAA opened pandoras box with the free transfers and NIL. I am not against players getting paid but I am against the wild west system (or lack of) the NCAA is currently allowing players to operate under.

I think that’s definitely the case

(03-21-2024 04:38 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It seems Penny has failed with several players who could have been developed differently. How many starters have we lost to transfers in the last 6 years?

I don't think we've lost any more STARTERS to transfer than any other program. That's college sports these days. Already 500-ish players in the transfer portal and it's only been open a couple of days.

It is truly bizarre. You see guys like Caleb Love last year transferring from UNC to Arizona despite being a starter and playing over 35 minutes per game and having played for a championship with UNC the year before and set to return the other major contributor in Bacot.

I really do not fault any coach for any player that transfers. I think a lot of players are committing to a school knowing they will transfer to another school after a year or two just because they can. The NCAA opened pandoras box with the free transfers and NIL. I am not against players getting paid but I am against the wild west system (or lack of) the NCAA is currently allowing players to operate under.

If the NCAA steps in and tries to stop or regulate any of this they will get sued and they will lose. Welcome to the future of 'college' athletics. It's only going to get worse from here. I predict that in the next 15-20 years that things will continue to devolve to the point where players don't have to attend classes, they will simply be paid employees of the schools operating as professional athletic teams 'sponsored' by each school. There will eventually be a CBA put in place with a salary cap and contracts that will prevent the year to year Mexican jumping bean transfers.

The whole thing is a dumb ass **** show all because the greedy mfers that run the bowls, the conferences, and the NCAA wanted to keep all the revenue for themselves and not share reasonably with the athletes. Now just look at what we have and what is coming...

(03-23-2024 09:25 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 04:38 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:36 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  It seems Penny has failed with several players who could have been developed differently. How many starters have we lost to transfers in the last 6 years?

I don't think we've lost any more STARTERS to transfer than any other program. That's college sports these days. Already 500-ish players in the transfer portal and it's only been open a couple of days.

It is truly bizarre. You see guys like Caleb Love last year transferring from UNC to Arizona despite being a starter and playing over 35 minutes per game and having played for a championship with UNC the year before and set to return the other major contributor in Bacot.

I really do not fault any coach for any player that transfers. I think a lot of players are committing to a school knowing they will transfer to another school after a year or two just because they can. The NCAA opened pandoras box with the free transfers and NIL. I am not against players getting paid but I am against the wild west system (or lack of) the NCAA is currently allowing players to operate under.

If the NCAA steps in and tries to stop or regulate any of this they will get sued and they will lose. Welcome to the future of 'college' athletics. It's only going to get worse from here. I predict that in the next 15-20 years that things will continue to devolve to the point where players don't have to attend classes, they will simply be paid employees of the schools operating as professional athletic teams 'sponsored' by each school. There will eventually be a CBA put in place with a salary cap and contracts that will prevent the year to year Mexican jumping bean transfers.

The whole thing is a dumb ass **** show all because the greedy mfers that run the bowls, the conferences, and the NCAA wanted to keep all the revenue for themselves and not share reasonably with the athletes. Now just look at what we have and what is coming...

The transfer portal combined with NIL money (don't forget social media income for the highly-hyped players, too) guarantees those with the most money will eventually dominate the playoffs in both football and basketball.

Basketball will have occasional runs by an underdog team from a non P2 conference (it only takes a couple of great players on a hot streak to make a little run), but we will see the P2 teams rack up the majority of the wins over time.

The coaches already know this and the day and age of a freshman and/or juco-transfer kid benefitting from multi-year development under one school and/or coach is history.

We have officially entered the age of P2 universities publicly playing minor league sports. The rest of us are mere feeder organizations to the almighty Big Boys.

It's disconcerting as a fan of Memphis to accept this, but it seems to be the only reasonable outcome to the new reality of major revenue-generating college sports.