(03-19-2024 06:56 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ESPN may try to lower the payment. But I am very sure that they will renew the contract.

History of the many Big XII departures says no, they won't try to lower it (but don't expect a big raise, either).

(03-15-2024 05:42 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  I've been thinking about what it would take to add Big12 teams with an eye on the 192 million they are getting. How many teams would it take to topple them into the 1.8 million range? Supposedly Yormark put a clause in that there is an adjustment if there is realignment. The G5 are making 1.8m each for reference.

So could you invite 9 of 16 schools and get the value?

Say you invite AZ, ASU, Utah, Colorado, Kansas, OSU, TT, TCU, and WVU....maybe Cincy instead of one. Would Houston, BYU, UCF, KSU, Baylor, and ISU drop to MWC level payouts?

Could adding 9 schools bring in 178m? That would raise everyone's average several million. It should help open up contract negotiations with ESPN. Surely the basketball tournament alone would be worth a bit more. Olympic sports could be regionalism a lot with 26 to 28 teams.

What would it take to steal it? I'm thinking Seal Team Six.

(03-20-2024 10:03 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 05:42 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  I've been thinking about what it would take to add Big12 teams with an eye on the 192 million they are getting. How many teams would it take to topple them into the 1.8 million range? Supposedly Yormark put a clause in that there is an adjustment if there is realignment. The G5 are making 1.8m each for reference.

So could you invite 9 of 16 schools and get the value?

Say you invite AZ, ASU, Utah, Colorado, Kansas, OSU, TT, TCU, and WVU....maybe Cincy instead of one. Would Houston, BYU, UCF, KSU, Baylor, and ISU drop to MWC level payouts?

Could adding 9 schools bring in 178m? That would raise everyone's average several million. It should help open up contract negotiations with ESPN. Surely the basketball tournament alone would be worth a bit more. Olympic sports could be regionalism a lot with 26 to 28 teams.

What would it take to steal it? I'm thinking Seal Team Six.

More than that!

(03-19-2024 06:56 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 06:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 04:19 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 02:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 12:40 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  My point is now the two most important football programs sue the league and have solidified their intention to leave. They won't be the only two leaving, and most likely 4 or 6 at least go to the B1G or SEC. You can be a traditionalist(and some of that isn't bad) but your school NC will be one of the 4 leaving.

I would have to see how adding schools beyond FSU and Clemson makes financial sense for either the Big Ten or SEC. It seems the Big Ten has to wait for Oregon and Washington to appraise before they can start adding more content.

(03-19-2024 12:40 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  Even if only 4 go to the B1G or SEC, another 4-6 will have the same decision to make as the remaining PAC schools had to make stay in a league that gets paid less or move on. Choosing from USF, Tulane, UCONN, WSU, OSU, service academies and a few others won't be that enticing and probably in the end have a contract similar to the PAC offer, maybe less.

I think some combo of schools from NC St., Louisville, Va. Tech, Pitt, Syracuse will make the same decision as the remaining PAC schools did.

Once again, there are a lot of dominoes that need to fall for this to even be remotely possible. The conference doesn't need to replace any departing school until the numbers drop below 15, and even then you aren't taking into account potential massive GOR buyback and exit fees. PLUS, the ACCN is a moneymaker that isn't dependent on marquee football brands.

Don't forget the ACC is now the obvious home for Notre Dame. They have a very powerful voice in the landscape and we saw many schools vote with them (Syracuse, Pitt, UVa, VaTech, Louisville, GaTech and Miami) without hesitation.

The ACC is only the bridge for ND until they have to join a league and then that is the B1G. Those schools know that, they had no reason not to take a small increase for ND a partial membership and I guess a 5-10% hope ND would make the ACC their home, but everyone knew in the end they wouldn't. The B1G has 4 huge traditional rivals in USC, UM, MSU & Purdue. They will probably add either FSU & Miami or a NC & Va. to help impove their recruiting grounds and give ND the exposure they want.

If ESPN doesn't pick up the 2027 tv deal which I believe needs secured early 2025, everyone goes their separate ways. How excited is ESPN about extending a contract where the two football powers are suing the league?

I’m not sure why people still think ND has to join a football conference. Everything is proving the opposite. So let’s just pump the breaks on fantasy ultimatums.

They’ll renew the deal because these lawsuits are going to be drawn out to ensure it. Lawyers have a way of stretching things out and the conference has no reason to settle.

ESPN may try to lower the payment. But I am very sure that they will renew the contract.

I think the actual contract is undervalued and it’s the ACCN that makes up so much ground. So I disagree.

(03-20-2024 10:03 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 05:42 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  I've been thinking about what it would take to add Big12 teams with an eye on the 192 million they are getting. How many teams would it take to topple them into the 1.8 million range? Supposedly Yormark put a clause in that there is an adjustment if there is realignment. The G5 are making 1.8m each for reference.

So could you invite 9 of 16 schools and get the value?

Say you invite AZ, ASU, Utah, Colorado, Kansas, OSU, TT, TCU, and WVU....maybe Cincy instead of one. Would Houston, BYU, UCF, KSU, Baylor, and ISU drop to MWC level payouts?

Could adding 9 schools bring in 178m? That would raise everyone's average several million. It should help open up contract negotiations with ESPN. Surely the basketball tournament alone would be worth a bit more. Olympic sports could be regionalism a lot with 26 to 28 teams.

What would it take to steal it? I'm thinking Seal Team Six.

From everything they say it's based on you could take TCU and they'd be valued the same as MWC.

The only way to get any of their CFP share is to get their most valuable teams.

The ACC was incredibly foolish not to raid the Big XII when it had the chance. If they ever get another opportunity, let's hope they learned their lesson! This is not about whether some schools academic standards are as good as yours or if their campus is too hard to get to -- it's about money, plain and simple!

(03-21-2024 08:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The only way to get any of their CFP share is to get their most valuable teams.

Wrong. You get their most valuable teams, the SEC/B1G just absorb their share

North Caolina BOT members expressing unhappiness won't help, might be signal the next to start the process.

(03-21-2024 03:16 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  North Caolina BOT members expressing unhappiness won't help, might be signal the next to start the process.

It's actually a re-run from August. You must have missed it the first time. Did you see the new epi where Miami professes their love for the ACC?

(03-21-2024 08:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The only way to get any of their CFP share is to get their most valuable teams.

The ACC was incredibly foolish not to raid the Big XII when it had the chance. If they ever get another opportunity, let's hope they learned their lesson! This is not about whether some schools academic standards are as good as yours or if their campus is too hard to get to -- it's about money, plain and simple!

I don't think the ACC has learned their lesson. If ArzSt, Utah, and Kansas wanted to join, they'd try to beat them down to a fraction of media deal payment like they did the new additions. And if they didn't, you could argue the new editions deserve full shares too.