(03-16-2024 07:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:05 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:17 AM)goofus Wrote:  If FSU does the math, and decides to stay in the ACC

If neither the SEC or B1G has given FSU a wink and a nod, the 'Noles would be foolish to withdraw from the ACC knowing their only stable destination might be the Big 12.

Perhaps FSU was hoping that either conference would secretly guarantee the 'Noles

No winks nor nods, but the Big gave them the Madi gras golden cocoanut move and show a bit of breast.

(03-16-2024 07:29 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  This post is extremely misleading, for a few reasons:

1. This is not news. There's no news article here. It's a link to a post on Reddit where a random person guesses who Pac targets would be if they expand. Air Force isn't in the list because the random Reddit user didn't put them in the list. There have been real articles written by actual journalists that have Air Force on the list of MWC schools that WSU and OSU would like to align with. That list is "SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, Air Force, UNLV, and Fresno State."

Source (San Diego Tribune): https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...ger-pac-12

2. If Canzano said this, it's still Canzano. That guy swore the Pac wouldn't die, that SDSU and SMU were in. He has pushed a Pac rebuild since USC and UCLA left.

3. The Reddit post claims John heard about Pac expansion "not from OSU or WSU", but from a school that MIGHT be involved. It's quite a stretch for the random Reddit user to write "might be involved", then list specific schools like it's a done deal.

4. There's no mention of Air Force at all in the Reddit post. I'm not sure what OP is looking at when mentioning Air Force, besides a Twitter response from a random person. I don't have an issue with listing your own ideas, but it's misleading to state your ideas as facts that will definitely happen.

5. It's not "widely known" tha Air Force applied to the American Athletic Conference. I've never seen that reported anywhere. If you have, link it, because I don't believe you.


I clicked on this expecting to find news on conference realignment, not guesses from random people on Reddit and Twitter.

End thread.

(03-16-2024 08:28 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 08:17 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:20 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I just don’t see this happening. Anything short of a full merger or the dissolution of the MWC (adding 9 or 10) is going to result in transfer of the PAC 2 war chest to the MWC remnants.

There’s also no provision for CFP revenue for the PAC—the MWC is in that document but from what we’ve been told, it presumes Wash St and Ore St will be Indy.

I don't think it would matter with a merger. no matter the direction. One way Pac absorbs all that is MWC incl G5 status or MWC absorbs Pac and keeps Pac $ and G5 status. If they wanted Pac 12 name MWC can take in Pac but keep the Pac name.

The advantage to keeping the PAC shell is that any lingering NCAA tournament credits for 2027-2029 would stay with the PAC.

I wonder how close MW is to eclipsing PAC’s 6-year NCAAT credits. If New Mexico makes it in, that will make 6 MW teams (most likely) in the tournament. If they each win a game or two or more…

(03-16-2024 12:35 AM)Big12HoopsHeaven Wrote:  This is seeming more like an inevitability.

This post by a Western-Based Pac 12 reporter, John Canzano, didn't mention Air Force as a Pac 12 target. However, the Pac 2 is currently reeling from getting such a meager CFP payout that they're going to need to move sooner than later.

So what about Air Force? It's widely known that they applied to the American after the Big 12 expanded. They were in part motivated by the security of the AAC's long-term ESPN contract. Since then, Army has joined Navy in that conference, and the Air Force leadership has long made it known that they would value sharing a conference with their true peers.

With the MWC due to renegotiate a new TV deal - as they are about to be raided - it seems like an Air Force move to the American Conference is more of an issue of "when?" than "if..."

That would cement the American above the new Pac, imo.

Linky dinky: Canzano claims that 4-5 MWC schools are set to depart for the PAC by June 30th!!

This guy injects his own farts to get high. None of the pac2 or the MWC is joining this piece of shite. Drop the turd boy and flush it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the PAC wants to expand but their future is in the MWC, as an independent, or in some tweener conference down the road.

(03-16-2024 07:29 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  This post is extremely misleading, for a few reasons:

1. This is not news. There's no news article here. It's a link to a post on Reddit where a random person guesses who Pac targets would be if they expand. Air Force isn't in the list because the random Reddit user didn't put them in the list. There have been real articles written by actual journalists that have Air Force on the list of MWC schools that WSU and OSU would like to align with. That list is "SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, Air Force, UNLV, and Fresno State."

Source (San Diego Tribune): https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...ger-pac-12

2. If Canzano said this, it's still Canzano. That guy swore the Pac wouldn't die, that SDSU and SMU were in. He has pushed a Pac rebuild since USC and UCLA left.

3. The Reddit post claims John heard about Pac expansion "not from OSU or WSU", but from a school that MIGHT be involved. It's quite a stretch for the random Reddit user to write "might be involved", then list specific schools like it's a done deal.

4. There's no mention of Air Force at all in the Reddit post. I'm not sure what OP is looking at when mentioning Air Force, besides a Twitter response from a random person. I don't have an issue with listing your own ideas, but it's misleading to state your ideas as facts that will definitely happen.

5. It's not "widely known" tha Air Force applied to the American Athletic Conference. I've never seen that reported anywhere. If you have, link it, because I don't believe you.


I clicked on this expecting to find news on conference realignment, not guesses from random people on Reddit and Twitter.

End thread.

Good post.

There’s no reason that, if the PAC 2 can cherry pick MW teams that Air Force wouldn’t be a top target.

Right now they get to play an 8 game conference schedule with all of their regional rivals that leaves room for Army/Navy/2 flexible non-conference games. It’s perfect for them. And IMO a full PAC 2/MW merger under whichever banner is still the most likely outcome which preserves that setup.

(03-16-2024 07:29 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  5. It's not "widely known" tha Air Force applied to the American Athletic Conference. I've never seen that reported anywhere. If you have, link it, because I don't believe you.

Most of what you said was solid.

There were definitely strongly sourced rumors of Air Force interest in the AAC and vice versa.

https://gazette.com/sports/air-force-fac...757b2.html
https://www.againstallenemies.com/2021/1...all-aresco

(03-16-2024 12:53 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Huge news. John Canzano is the #1 source in realignment.

Are you saying that he's stolen the money perch?!?

(03-16-2024 07:29 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  This post is extremely misleading, for a few reasons:

1. This is not news. There's no news article here. It's a link to a post on Reddit where a random person guesses who Pac targets would be if they expand. Air Force isn't in the list because the random Reddit user didn't put them in the list. There have been real articles written by actual journalists that have Air Force on the list of MWC schools that WSU and OSU would like to align with. That list is "SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, Air Force, UNLV, and Fresno State."

Source (San Diego Tribune): https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...ger-pac-12

2. If Canzano said this, it's still Canzano. That guy swore the Pac wouldn't die, that SDSU and SMU were in. He has pushed a Pac rebuild since USC and UCLA left.

3. The Reddit post claims John heard about Pac expansion "not from OSU or WSU", but from a school that MIGHT be involved. It's quite a stretch for the random Reddit user to write "might be involved", then list specific schools like it's a done deal.

4. There's no mention of Air Force at all in the Reddit post. I'm not sure what OP is looking at when mentioning Air Force, besides a Twitter response from a random person. I don't have an issue with listing your own ideas, but it's misleading to state your ideas as facts that will definitely happen.

5. It's not "widely known" tha Air Force applied to the American Athletic Conference. I've never seen that reported anywhere. If you have, link it, because I don't believe you.


I clicked on this expecting to find news on conference realignment, not guesses from random people on Reddit and Twitter.

End thread.

Your other points are good, but this one in particular stands out. No way the AAC would have turned down AFA.

(03-16-2024 07:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:05 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:17 AM)goofus Wrote:  If FSU does the math, and decides to stay in the ACC

Not even Poor Jim Phillips believes that'll happen

It's possible, but not desirable.

If neither the SEC or B1G has given FSU a wink and a nod, the 'Noles would be foolish to withdraw from the ACC knowing their only stable destination might be the Big 12.

Perhaps FSU was hoping that either conference would secretly guarantee the 'Noles a loan like the B1G did with Maryland, IDK.

It's just not prudent for a State agency to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to get out of the ACC with no guarantee of return of principal.

Are we still rehashing this? FSU has numerous reasons for wanting to escape:

1. More $$ from P2 yearly distributions
2. Better Access to CFP by being in P2, no more winning the Conference and getting the stiffarm
3. More CFP $$, perhaps as much as $10m more
4. Huge shot in the arm for the FSU Boosters. We saw this at A&M, and FSU's boosters are certainly as involved and motivated as A&M's.
5. Guaranteed to not get left behind if there is a small breakaway
6. Seat at the Big Boy Table, ability to influence policy on the future of college athletics
7. Neither of the P2 would ever abandon a potential CFP school like Phillips did to FSU in 2023

Assuming the courts aren't supportive of their GoR challenge, $75m a year for 10 years is my guess of how high it needs to get for FSU to hesitate. Perhaps if they were leaning B1G they wouldn't go for it, I dunno, but that's the sort of gargantuan sum they'd need to be looking at to get them to think twice. More importantly for Phillips, that might convince Clemson and UNC to just decide to stick it out in the ACC until 2036.

The Reddit post:

"Canzano claims he heard “not from either OSU or WSU, but from another school possibly involved that things are in motion to add four or five Mountain West schools by the end of June if they haven’t found a P4 landing spot by then.”

San Diego State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Boise State, and UNLV are the likely targets.

AAC schools - whoever the ACC leaves behind this summer - will take the last remaining spots. Most likely candidates are Rice, Tulsa, and UTSA

As the Mountain West and AAC schools dont play many sports that the Beavers and Cougars hold dear - baseball, mens soccer, womens rowing, etc - a push is being made to add the entire WCC as non Football schools.

Creating a conference that can play football well enough to tangle with the Big12 and ACC schools and possibly the best basketball conference in the country."

Seems like the bolded sentence implies Florida St and others leaving the ACC this summer and the ACC backfilling with American schools...

New Pac 10? (10 schools all sports)
Wash St
Ore St
SDSU
Boise
UNLV
Fresno
Colo St
Rice
Tulsa
UTSA

New American (14 football, 13 basketball)

(sans USF, Memphis, Tulane to ACC & Rice, Tulsa, UTSA to Pac 12 but adding some MWC schools such as Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming. Nevada and Utah St and WKU from CUSA)
Army
Navy
Air Force
East Carolina
Florida Atlantic
North Texas
UAB
Charlotte
Temple
Wichita St**
Western Kentucky
New Mexico
Wyoming
Utah St
Nevada

New ACC?
Post-Raid Leftovers + Tulane, Memphis & USF

(03-16-2024 01:29 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:05 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:17 AM)goofus Wrote:  If FSU does the math, and decides to stay in the ACC

Not even Poor Jim Phillips believes that'll happen

It's possible, but not desirable.

If neither the SEC or B1G has given FSU a wink and a nod, the 'Noles would be foolish to withdraw from the ACC knowing their only stable destination might be the Big 12.

Perhaps FSU was hoping that either conference would secretly guarantee the 'Noles a loan like the B1G did with Maryland, IDK.

It's just not prudent for a State agency to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to get out of the ACC with no guarantee of return of principal.

Are we still rehashing this? FSU has numerous reasons for wanting to escape:

1. More $$ from P2 yearly distributions
2. Better Access to CFP by being in P2, no more winning the Conference and getting the stiffarm
3. More CFP $$, perhaps as much as $10m more
4. Huge shot in the arm for the FSU Boosters. We saw this at A&M, and FSU's boosters are certainly as involved and motivated as A&M's.
5. Guaranteed to not get left behind if there is a small breakaway
6. Seat at the Big Boy Table, ability to influence policy on the future of college athletics
7. Neither of the P2 would ever abandon a potential CFP school like Phillips did to FSU in 2023

Assuming the courts aren't supportive of their GoR challenge, $75m a year for 10 years is my guess of how high it needs to get for FSU to hesitate. Perhaps if they were leaning B1G they wouldn't go for it, I dunno, but that's the sort of gargantuan sum they'd need to be looking at to get them to think twice. More importantly for Phillips, that might convince Clemson and UNC to just decide to stick it out in the ACC until 2036.

Everything you said is true, but completely non-responsive to what he said.

No matter how great the money for FSU in the P2 is, if FSU is not assured of a P2 spot, it's a big risk.

(03-16-2024 12:35 AM)Big12HoopsHeaven Wrote:  This is seeming more like an inevitability.

This post by a Western-Based Pac 12 reporter, John Canzano, didn't mention Air Force as a Pac 12 target. However, the Pac 2 is currently reeling from getting such a meager CFP payout that they're going to need to move sooner than later.

So what about Air Force? It's widely known that they applied to the American after the Big 12 expanded. They were in part motivated by the security of the AAC's long-term ESPN contract. Since then, Army has joined Navy in that conference, and the Air Force leadership has long made it known that they would value sharing a conference with their true peers.

With the MWC due to renegotiate a new TV deal - as they are about to be raided - it seems like an Air Force move to the American Conference is more of an issue of "when?" than "if..."

That would cement the American above the new Pac, imo.

Linky dinky: Canzano claims that 4-5 MWC schools are set to depart for the PAC by June 30th!!

Wait a minute----didnt OSU and WSU ALREADY sign a deal to NOT raid the MW (and instead merge with it) in exchange for filing the 2024 and 2025 OSU/WSU schedules? That was not a pinkey promise---that was a signed contract as I understand it.

(03-16-2024 03:00 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:50 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  none of it makes any sence
new Pac is not gonna get 10% of CFP money
the exit fee's are gonna make it a risky deal

Yep. In fact there's no indication that anything in the deal would entitle a reconstituted Pac conference to any CFP money. Rather it treats WSU and OSU as independents and pays them less than G5 conference members:

"Washington State and Oregon State are slated to earn just $360,000 as independents in the new contract -- one-fifth of what the Group of 5 schools would make per year in the new agreement."

I'm guessing the only way a reconstituted Pac could qualify for an allocation of CFP money on par with the G5 conferences would be for the MWC to sign over its allocation to the Pac -- which would only happen if all of the MWC's members were invited into the Pac.

Im pretty sure they would simply get a share of the G5 pot---otherwise the CFP has an antitrust issue they dont want to deal with. It shouldnt make much difference in the end because its still the largely same number of G5 schools splitting the same pot (maybe a few more if the MW requires move up schools to save the conference). Id also add that if this actually occurs by THIS summer and those teams play together THIS FALL----it means the Pac12 never ceased to exist (as it will have saved itself within the grace period). Under those conditions, at the very least the Pac12 will be sharing in the G5 pool----and they may have a case to receive their playoff slot during the last 2 years of the current deal (or perhaps they are willing to simply take their chances of being the top ranked G5 champ each of those 2 seasons--since that will pave the way for continued domination of that slot in the next version of the CFP coming after 2025).

I do agree the rebuilt Pac12 is not going to get M2 money or even 10% money. They will just get a share of the G5 pool (or the G6 pool--assuming the MW survives).

(03-16-2024 01:39 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:29 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:05 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:17 AM)goofus Wrote:  If FSU does the math, and decides to stay in the ACC

Not even Poor Jim Phillips believes that'll happen

It's possible, but not desirable.

If neither the SEC or B1G has given FSU a wink and a nod, the 'Noles would be foolish to withdraw from the ACC knowing their only stable destination might be the Big 12.

Perhaps FSU was hoping that either conference would secretly guarantee the 'Noles a loan like the B1G did with Maryland, IDK.

It's just not prudent for a State agency to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to get out of the ACC with no guarantee of return of principal.

Are we still rehashing this? FSU has numerous reasons for wanting to escape:

1. More $$ from P2 yearly distributions
2. Better Access to CFP by being in P2, no more winning the Conference and getting the stiffarm
3. More CFP $$, perhaps as much as $10m more
4. Huge shot in the arm for the FSU Boosters. We saw this at A&M, and FSU's boosters are certainly as involved and motivated as A&M's.
5. Guaranteed to not get left behind if there is a small breakaway
6. Seat at the Big Boy Table, ability to influence policy on the future of college athletics
7. Neither of the P2 would ever abandon a potential CFP school like Phillips did to FSU in 2023

Assuming the courts aren't supportive of their GoR challenge, $75m a year for 10 years is my guess of how high it needs to get for FSU to hesitate. Perhaps if they were leaning B1G they wouldn't go for it, I dunno, but that's the sort of gargantuan sum they'd need to be looking at to get them to think twice. More importantly for Phillips, that might convince Clemson and UNC to just decide to stick it out in the ACC until 2036.

Everything you said is true, but completely non-responsive to what he said.

No matter how great the money for FSU in the P2 is, if FSU is not assured of a P2 spot, it's a big risk.

It's obvious on the face of it that FSU has an invite or they wouldn't be doing what they're doing. $40m a year looks pretty great if that's your best option, but if the SEC and/or B1G are sending you nude selfies then you might think that you can do better than your current partner.

(03-16-2024 02:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 03:00 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:50 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  none of it makes any sence
new Pac is not gonna get 10% of CFP money
the exit fee's are gonna make it a risky deal

Yep. In fact there's no indication that anything in the deal would entitle a reconstituted Pac conference to any CFP money. Rather it treats WSU and OSU as independents and pays them less than G5 conference members:

"Washington State and Oregon State are slated to earn just $360,000 as independents in the new contract -- one-fifth of what the Group of 5 schools would make per year in the new agreement."

I'm guessing the only way a reconstituted Pac could qualify for an allocation of CFP money on par with the G5 conferences would be for the MWC to sign over its allocation to the Pac -- which would only happen if all of the MWC's members were invited into the Pac.

Im pretty sure they would simply get a share of the G5 pot---otherwise the CFP has an antitrust issue they dont want to deal with. It shouldnt make much difference in the end because its still the largely same number of G5 schools splitting the same pot (maybe a few more if the MW requires move up schools to save the conference). Id also add that if this actually occurs by THIS summer and those teams play together THIS FALL----it means the Pac12 never ceased to exist (as it will have saved itself within the grace period). Under those conditions, at the very least the Pac12 will be sharing in the G5 pool----and they may have a case to receive their playoff slot during the last 2 years of the current deal (or perhaps they are willing to simply take their chances of being the top ranked G5 champ each of those 2 seasons--since that will pave the way for continued domination of that slot in the next version of the CFP coming after 2025).

I do agree the rebuilt Pac12 is not going to get M2 money or even 10% money. They will just get a share of the G5 pool (or the G6 pool--assuming the MW survives).

What makes you think that a new Conference would get anything at all? The CFP Agreement is between 9 Conferences and ND. Could the MWC change their name to the Pac 12 and invited WOSU? Sure. Could the Pac steal half the MWC, but the MWC rebuilds and keeps their spot in the CFP while locking the nuPac out until 2032? Yep.

(03-16-2024 02:32 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:39 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:29 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:39 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:05 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Not even Poor Jim Phillips believes that'll happen

It's possible, but not desirable.

If neither the SEC or B1G has given FSU a wink and a nod, the 'Noles would be foolish to withdraw from the ACC knowing their only stable destination might be the Big 12.

Perhaps FSU was hoping that either conference would secretly guarantee the 'Noles a loan like the B1G did with Maryland, IDK.

It's just not prudent for a State agency to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to get out of the ACC with no guarantee of return of principal.

Are we still rehashing this? FSU has numerous reasons for wanting to escape:

1. More $$ from P2 yearly distributions
2. Better Access to CFP by being in P2, no more winning the Conference and getting the stiffarm
3. More CFP $$, perhaps as much as $10m more
4. Huge shot in the arm for the FSU Boosters. We saw this at A&M, and FSU's boosters are certainly as involved and motivated as A&M's.
5. Guaranteed to not get left behind if there is a small breakaway
6. Seat at the Big Boy Table, ability to influence policy on the future of college athletics
7. Neither of the P2 would ever abandon a potential CFP school like Phillips did to FSU in 2023

Assuming the courts aren't supportive of their GoR challenge, $75m a year for 10 years is my guess of how high it needs to get for FSU to hesitate. Perhaps if they were leaning B1G they wouldn't go for it, I dunno, but that's the sort of gargantuan sum they'd need to be looking at to get them to think twice. More importantly for Phillips, that might convince Clemson and UNC to just decide to stick it out in the ACC until 2036.

Everything you said isThe money for FSU in the P2 is, if FSU is not assured of a P2 spot, it's a big risk.

It's obvious on the face of it that FSU has an invite or they wouldn't be doing what they're doing.

That's an answer to what he was saying.

Quote:$40m a year looks pretty great if that's your best
, but if the SEC and/or B1G are sending you nude selfies then you might think that you can do better than your current partner.

The question is what happens if FSU is considering divorce in a vacuum, and evaluating their dating options without active flirtations.

(03-16-2024 02:34 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 02:18 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 03:00 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 01:50 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  none of it makes any sence
new Pac is not gonna get 10% of CFP money
the exit fee's are gonna make it a risky deal

Yep. In fact there's no indication that anything in the deal would entitle a reconstituted Pac conference to any CFP money. Rather it treats WSU and OSU as independents and pays them less than G5 conference members:

"Washington State and Oregon State are slated to earn just $360,000 as independents in the new contract -- one-fifth of what the Group of 5 schools would make per year in the new agreement."

I'm guessing the only way a reconstituted Pac could qualify for an allocation of CFP money on par with the G5 conferences would be for the MWC to sign over its allocation to the Pac -- which would only happen if all of the MWC's members were invited into the Pac.

Im pretty sure they would simply get a share of the G5 pot---otherwise the CFP has an antitrust issue they dont want to deal with. It shouldnt make much difference in the end because its still the largely same number of G5 schools splitting the same pot (maybe a few more if the MW requires move up schools to save the conference). Id also add that if this actually occurs by THIS summer and those teams play together THIS FALL----it means the Pac12 never ceased to exist (as it will have saved itself within the grace period). Under those conditions, at the very least the Pac12 will be sharing in the G5 pool----and they may have a case to receive their playoff slot during the last 2 years of the current deal (or perhaps they are willing to simply take their chances of being the top ranked G5 champ each of those 2 seasons--since that will pave the way for continued domination of that slot in the next version of the CFP coming after 2025).

I do agree the rebuilt Pac12 is not going to get M2 money or even 10% money. They will just get a share of the G5 pool (or the G6 pool--assuming the MW survives).

What makes you think that a new Conference would get anything at all? The CFP Agreement is between 9 Conferences and ND. Could the MWC change their name to the Pac 12 and invited WOSU? Sure. Could the Pac steal half the MWC, but the MWC rebuilds and keeps their spot in the CFP while locking the nuPac out until 2032? Yep.

Because its not a new conference. The Pac12 would have reconstituted itself and simply have new members---like CUSA or the AAC. The 9 conferences who signed the CFP deal excluded a legitimate FBS conference that was in existence at the time of the deal---which would create a potential anti-trust problem for everyone in the group (as if the current FBS conferences dont have enough of those). The deal isnt done yet anyway. Its just a document reflecting who is committing to participate in the next version of the CFP as well as defining some of the details for the future CFP.

Bottom line----the P2 are running this thing. They dont want to deal with potential legal issues that could interfere with their control. The P2 have set the G5 pool at about 10%. The P2 could care less if that G5 pool is divided by 5 conferences or 6. In the end, it wont even matter much to the G5 because the G5 pot of money is still being split by roughly the same number of total schools either way.

(03-16-2024 07:29 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  This post is extremely misleading, for a few reasons:

1. This is not news. There's no news article here. It's a link to a post on Reddit where a random person guesses who Pac targets would be if they expand. Air Force isn't in the list because the random Reddit user didn't put them in the list. There have been real articles written by actual journalists that have Air Force on the list of MWC schools that WSU and OSU would like to align with. That list is "SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, Air Force, UNLV, and Fresno State."

Source (San Diego Tribune): https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...ger-pac-12

2. If Canzano said this, it's still Canzano. That guy swore the Pac wouldn't die, that SDSU and SMU were in. He has pushed a Pac rebuild since USC and UCLA left.

3. The Reddit post claims John heard about Pac expansion "not from OSU or WSU", but from a school that MIGHT be involved. It's quite a stretch for the random Reddit user to write "might be involved", then list specific schools like it's a done deal.

4. There's no mention of Air Force at all in the Reddit post. I'm not sure what OP is looking at when mentioning Air Force, besides a Twitter response from a random person. I don't have an issue with listing your own ideas, but it's misleading to state your ideas as facts that will definitely happen.

5. It's not "widely known" tha Air Force applied to the American Athletic Conference. I've never seen that reported anywhere. If you have, link it, because I don't believe you.


I clicked on this expecting to find news on conference realignment, not guesses from random people on Reddit and Twitter.

End thread.

I think what we have is the retelling of facts, but with embellishments. Everyone with any access to their programs knows there are always informal talks about movement and the possibility of movement.

But if the PAC2 are going to make a move, time isn't on their side. They have 2 years to rebuild or make other arrangements. So if they are to extend invitations, it will happen within a year. Without a viable media deal, it will be hard to find takers.

ESPN is focused on locking down the new playoff model and payout. I highly doubt they would be interested in kneecapping their new deal by destabilizing two or even three conferences.

(03-16-2024 01:21 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:29 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  This post is extremely misleading, for a few reasons:

1. This is not news. There's no news article here. It's a link to a post on Reddit where a random person guesses who Pac targets would be if they expand. Air Force isn't in the list because the random Reddit user didn't put them in the list. There have been real articles written by actual journalists that have Air Force on the list of MWC schools that WSU and OSU would like to align with. That list is "SDSU, Boise State, Colorado State, Air Force, UNLV, and Fresno State."

Source (San Diego Tribune): https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...ger-pac-12

2. If Canzano said this, it's still Canzano. That guy swore the Pac wouldn't die, that SDSU and SMU were in. He has pushed a Pac rebuild since USC and UCLA left.

3. The Reddit post claims John heard about Pac expansion "not from OSU or WSU", but from a school that MIGHT be involved. It's quite a stretch for the random Reddit user to write "might be involved", then list specific schools like it's a done deal.

4. There's no mention of Air Force at all in the Reddit post. I'm not sure what OP is looking at when mentioning Air Force, besides a Twitter response from a random person. I don't have an issue with listing your own ideas, but it's misleading to state your ideas as facts that will definitely happen.

5. It's not "widely known" tha Air Force applied to the American Athletic Conference. I've never seen that reported anywhere. If you have, link it, because I don't believe you.


I clicked on this expecting to find news on conference realignment, not guesses from random people on Reddit and Twitter.

End thread.

Your other points are good, but this one in particular stands out. No way the AAC would have turned down AFA.

McMurphy tweeted that CSU and AFA to the American was a done deal. And it basically was... but the big dollar donors didn't like it, and so CSU and AFA backed out.

I think if they 'applied' or not, or how it didn't come to fruition is basically minutiae... But AFA wanted in, and it was set to happen. Then it didn't...