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(04-11-2024 01:28 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:19 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 12:50 PM)djnva Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:40 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  Seems like we have a heck of a lot more on the out than coming in. Makes you wonder.

No it doesn't. The net will be 0.

My whole question this whole time is why so many are transferring out. It cant all be because of "losing playing time".

Some transferred out for NIL (which is obvious with all the dudes who went P5), some left because they weren't starting, some transferred out because they weren't playing at all and weren't going to, and others were walkons transferring in the hopes to get a scholarship.

I thought he was talking about the transfers that are occurring around the spring game

(04-11-2024 01:30 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:28 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:19 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 12:50 PM)djnva Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:40 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  Seems like we have a heck of a lot more on the out than coming in. Makes you wonder.

No it doesn't. The net will be 0.

My whole question this whole time is why so many are transferring out. It cant all be because of "losing playing time".

Some transferred out for NIL (which is obvious with all the dudes who went P5), some left because they weren't starting, some transferred out because they weren't playing at all and weren't going to, and others were walkons transferring in the hopes to get a scholarship.

I thought he was talking about the transfers that are occurring around the spring game

He pivoted the discussion to the 41 guys leaving, so that's what I went with.

(04-11-2024 01:36 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:30 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:28 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:19 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 12:50 PM)djnva Wrote:  No it doesn't. The net will be 0.

My whole question this whole time is why so many are transferring out. It cant all be because of "losing playing time".

Some transferred out for NIL (which is obvious with all the dudes who went P5), some left because they weren't starting, some transferred out because they weren't playing at all and weren't going to, and others were walkons transferring in the hopes to get a scholarship.

I thought he was talking about the transfers that are occurring around the spring game

He pivoted the discussion to the 41 guys leaving, so that's what I went with.

He pivots on everything he says when truth smacks him in the face.

Same story, different chapter...

Rinse and repeat

Charles Yates is back in the portal. He's the one I knew was coming soon.

Is academic APR still a thing? If so, how does the new norm of losing 25+ transfers affect us nowadays?

(04-11-2024 02:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Charles Yates is back in the portal. He's the one I knew was coming soon.

Better NIL offer or higher profile team?

(04-11-2024 03:52 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Charles Yates is back in the portal. He's the one I knew was coming soon.

Better NIL offer or higher profile team?

Neither.

(04-11-2024 03:52 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Charles Yates is back in the portal. He's the one I knew was coming soon.

Better NIL offer or higher profile team?

Wasn’t gonna play here. Recruiting miss. It happens with the volume football has.

(04-11-2024 04:01 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 03:52 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Charles Yates is back in the portal. He's the one I knew was coming soon.

Better NIL offer or higher profile team?

Wasn’t gonna play here. Recruiting miss. It happens with the volume football has.

But, but P5!!!!!!

(04-11-2024 02:21 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:36 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:30 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:28 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:19 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  My whole question this whole time is why so many are transferring out. It cant all be because of "losing playing time".

Some transferred out for NIL (which is obvious with all the dudes who went P5), some left because they weren't starting, some transferred out because they weren't playing at all and weren't going to, and others were walkons transferring in the hopes to get a scholarship.

I thought he was talking about the transfers that are occurring around the spring game

He pivoted the discussion to the 41 guys leaving, so that's what I went with.

He pivots on everything he says when truth smacks him in the face.

Same story, different chapter...

Rinse and repeat

Actually, our roster has been overhauled the last two years. And we have received mediocre results at best with that. That is not rinsing and repeating. Those are just straight up facts.

AND I have been told by many of the coaching staff apologists on here that we supposedly outspend our peers in recruiting. And we are still getting mediocre results.

(04-11-2024 04:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:01 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 03:52 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Charles Yates is back in the portal. He's the one I knew was coming soon.

Better NIL offer or higher profile team?

Wasn’t gonna play here. Recruiting miss. It happens with the volume football has.

But, but P5!!!!!!

The recruiting misses tend to happen here more often than not.

Yeah, but at least he had a high ranking!

(04-11-2024 04:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yeah, but at least he had a high ranking!

Who cares? He will never play a down for us, so his ranking at this point is irrelevant. We have still had a massive overhaul with one position group. Its just amazing how a recruit commits in January, then is gone by April.

(04-11-2024 04:07 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:01 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 03:52 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 02:48 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Charles Yates is back in the portal. He's the one I knew was coming soon.

Better NIL offer or higher profile team?

Wasn’t gonna play here. Recruiting miss. It happens with the volume football has.

But, but P5!!!!!!

The recruiting misses tend to happen here more often than not.

And yet we still have an annual issue of a lot of guys getting poached by P4 programs and aren’t far removed from our best NFL draft performance ever. So if we go by your logic that this staff sucks at recruiting, they must be pretty damn good at development? Right?

(04-11-2024 04:17 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:07 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:01 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 03:52 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Better NIL offer or higher profile team?

Wasn’t gonna play here. Recruiting miss. It happens with the volume football has.

But, but P5!!!!!!

The recruiting misses tend to happen here more often than not.

And yet we still have an annual issue of a lot of guys getting poached by P4 programs and aren’t far removed from our best NFL draft performance ever. So if we go by your logic that this staff sucks at recruiting, they must be pretty damn good at development? Right?

No, because the recruits coming in here clearly are not wanting to stay long term and are not showing the desire to be developed by this group of coaches long term. And lets be real here, the only position group that this coaching staff has shown any kind of consistency with developing/recruiting successfully during their tenure is the linebacker group. All other position groups are wide open for debate on the recruiting/developing front. ODU looks like a glorified revolving door program right now. Recruits come in here, stay for a hot second, then out the door they go. If it makes you feel any better, I believe there are a multitude of factors (outside of the coaching staff) that makes me believe we are nothing more than a revolving door program right now.

(04-11-2024 04:31 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  No, because the recruits coming in here clearly are not wanting to stay long term and are not showing the desire to be developed by this group of coaches long term. And lets be real here, the only position group that this coaching staff has shown any kind of consistency with developing/recruiting successfully during their tenure is the linebacker group. All other position groups are wide open for debate on the recruiting/developing front. ODU looks like a glorified revolving door program right now. Recruits come in here, stay for a hot second, then out the door they go. If it makes you feel any better, I believe there are a multitude of factors (outside of the coaching staff) that makes me believe we are nothing more than a revolving door program right now.

No words.........

(04-11-2024 04:31 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:17 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:07 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:01 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Wasn’t gonna play here. Recruiting miss. It happens with the volume football has.

But, but P5!!!!!!

The recruiting misses tend to happen here more often than not.

And yet we still have an annual issue of a lot of guys getting poached by P4 programs and aren’t far removed from our best NFL draft performance ever. So if we go by your logic that this staff sucks at recruiting, they must be pretty damn good at development? Right?

No, because the recruits coming in here clearly are not wanting to stay long term and are not showing the desire to be developed by this group of coaches long term. And lets be real here, the only position group that this coaching staff has shown any kind of consistency with developing/recruiting successfully during their tenure is the linebacker group. All other position groups are wide open for debate on the recruiting/developing front. ODU looks like a glorified revolving door program right now. Recruits come in here, stay for a hot second, then out the door they go. If it makes you feel any better, I believe there are a multitude of factors (outside of the coaching staff) that makes me believe we are nothing more than a revolving door program right now.

So let’s get this straight. We can’t recruit and we can’t develop. The guys going to the NFL and P4s from here are just luck, unless it’s LB. We can completely ignore that the DL and secondary have been the hardest hit by P4 NIL portal draw. So that’s cool. Great having an honest/real discussion with you.

(04-11-2024 04:42 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:31 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:17 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:07 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:03 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  But, but P5!!!!!!

The recruiting misses tend to happen here more often than not.

And yet we still have an annual issue of a lot of guys getting poached by P4 programs and aren’t far removed from our best NFL draft performance ever. So if we go by your logic that this staff sucks at recruiting, they must be pretty damn good at development? Right?

No, because the recruits coming in here clearly are not wanting to stay long term and are not showing the desire to be developed by this group of coaches long term. And lets be real here, the only position group that this coaching staff has shown any kind of consistency with developing/recruiting successfully during their tenure is the linebacker group. All other position groups are wide open for debate on the recruiting/developing front. ODU looks like a glorified revolving door program right now. Recruits come in here, stay for a hot second, then out the door they go. If it makes you feel any better, I believe there are a multitude of factors (outside of the coaching staff) that makes me believe we are nothing more than a revolving door program right now.

So let’s get this straight. We can’t recruit and we can’t develop. The guys going to the NFL and P4s from here are just luck, unless it’s LB. Cool. Great having an honest/real discussion with you.

Lets go back to our recent NFL draft picks.

Nick Saldivieri - Bobby Wilder recruit
Tre Hawkins - transfer (our staff didnt land him out of HS originally)
Zack Kuntz - Ricky connection from Penn State

These guys mentioned above were also just naturally physically gifted at their respective positions. When a player is naturally physically gifted, they already have a slight advantage that does not even deal with coaching development.

Also, I talked about consistency with recruiting/development with other position groups. Last time I checked, we are not pumping out quarterbacks, punters, kickers, safetys, running backs, and receivers consistently and sending them to the NFL.

No, I am not expecting ODU to consistently pump out all of the position players every year. All I am saying is that the only position group it seems this staff has *consistently* recruited and developed well is linebacker. Which is great for the linebacker group. But we need more than that.

(04-11-2024 04:59 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:42 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:31 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:17 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:07 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  The recruiting misses tend to happen here more often than not.

And yet we still have an annual issue of a lot of guys getting poached by P4 programs and aren’t far removed from our best NFL draft performance ever. So if we go by your logic that this staff sucks at recruiting, they must be pretty damn good at development? Right?

No, because the recruits coming in here clearly are not wanting to stay long term and are not showing the desire to be developed by this group of coaches long term. And lets be real here, the only position group that this coaching staff has shown any kind of consistency with developing/recruiting successfully during their tenure is the linebacker group. All other position groups are wide open for debate on the recruiting/developing front. ODU looks like a glorified revolving door program right now. Recruits come in here, stay for a hot second, then out the door they go. If it makes you feel any better, I believe there are a multitude of factors (outside of the coaching staff) that makes me believe we are nothing more than a revolving door program right now.

So let’s get this straight. We can’t recruit and we can’t develop. The guys going to the NFL and P4s from here are just luck, unless it’s LB. Cool. Great having an honest/real discussion with you.

Lets go back to our recent NFL draft picks.

Nick Saldivieri - Bobby Wilder recruit
Tre Hawkins - transfer (our staff didnt land him out of HS originally)
Zack Kuntz - Ricky connection from Penn State

These guys mentioned above were also just naturally physically gifted at their respective positions. When a player is naturally physically gifted, they already have a slight advantage that does not even deal with coaching development.

Also, I talked about consistency with recruiting/development with other position groups. Last time I checked, we are not pumping out quarterbacks, punters, kickers, safetys, running backs, and receivers consistently and sending them to the NFL.

No, I am not expecting ODU to consistently pump out all of the position players every year. All I am saying is that the only position group it seems this staff has *consistently* recruited and developed well is linebacker. Which is great for the linebacker group. But we need more than that.

Yes, Sal was a Bobby recruit. But he developed into an NFL player under Ricky (3 years under Ricky).

Tre Hawkins was RECRUITED here.

Kuntz wasn’t on an NFL path at PSU. He followed Ricky here (was recruited here) and showed his skill on the football field here.

Discounting those 3 and the coaches impact on getting them here and helping them on their NFL path is dishonest.

And you saying only LBs have developed here ignores that the two positions poached the most by P5s have been the secondary and DL (RB not far off). If we’re not recruiting or developing those groups well, why are the players at those positions being poached so often?

(04-11-2024 07:19 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:59 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:42 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:31 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:17 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  And yet we still have an annual issue of a lot of guys getting poached by P4 programs and aren’t far removed from our best NFL draft performance ever. So if we go by your logic that this staff sucks at recruiting, they must be pretty damn good at development? Right?

No, because the recruits coming in here clearly are not wanting to stay long term and are not showing the desire to be developed by this group of coaches long term. And lets be real here, the only position group that this coaching staff has shown any kind of consistency with developing/recruiting successfully during their tenure is the linebacker group. All other position groups are wide open for debate on the recruiting/developing front. ODU looks like a glorified revolving door program right now. Recruits come in here, stay for a hot second, then out the door they go. If it makes you feel any better, I believe there are a multitude of factors (outside of the coaching staff) that makes me believe we are nothing more than a revolving door program right now.

So let’s get this straight. We can’t recruit and we can’t develop. The guys going to the NFL and P4s from here are just luck, unless it’s LB. Cool. Great having an honest/real discussion with you.

Lets go back to our recent NFL draft picks.

Nick Saldivieri - Bobby Wilder recruit
Tre Hawkins - transfer (our staff didnt land him out of HS originally)
Zack Kuntz - Ricky connection from Penn State

These guys mentioned above were also just naturally physically gifted at their respective positions. When a player is naturally physically gifted, they already have a slight advantage that does not even deal with coaching development.

Also, I talked about consistency with recruiting/development with other position groups. Last time I checked, we are not pumping out quarterbacks, punters, kickers, safetys, running backs, and receivers consistently and sending them to the NFL.

No, I am not expecting ODU to consistently pump out all of the position players every year. All I am saying is that the only position group it seems this staff has *consistently* recruited and developed well is linebacker. Which is great for the linebacker group. But we need more than that.

Yes, Sal was a Bobby recruit. But he developed into an NFL player under Ricky (3 years under Ricky).

Tre Hawkins was RECRUITED here.

Kuntz wasn’t on an NFL path at PSU. He followed Ricky here (was recruited here) and showed his skill on the football field here.

Discounting those 3 and the coaches impact on getting them here and helping them on their NFL path is dishonest.

And you saying only LBs have developed here ignores that the two positions poached the most by P5s have been the secondary and DL (RB not far off). If we’re not recruiting or developing those groups well, why are the players at those positions being poached so often?

The P4s that do most of the poaching from the G5/FCS tend to be the same ones that are the weakest in recruiting. Look at what Cignetti did at Indiana. Indiana is a terrible Big 10 team in recruiting, and is nowhere near on the level of the Ohio Sts and Michigans of the world. Cignetti couldnt help himself to poach from our roster and JMU's roster. Not all P4 teams are good in recruiting, despite having the most of the most with financial resources. The P4s (even the crap ones) have that financial luxury that we do not have. Cignetti is a snake, but that is another story for another day. One cannot convince me that there was not any tampering going on there. The crappy P4s use that financial luxury to their advantage to make up for their recruiting shortcomings.

In regards to our secondary from last season, it seems like our coaching staff and the players involved were all ready to move on. However, I still think there are some underlying reasons as to why some of them actually moved on. I do question whether the coaches had the strongest of relationships with some of the players. I also question when notable key starting players leave, especially when it comes to one specific position group. I can say the same now for the running back position group.

We cannot continue this trend of losing starting players every offseason from our 2-deep rotation.

Currently, Jason Henderson has been one of few players that has stuck around with this coaching staff from start to finish (through the recruiting and development process). And he definitely could have abandoned ship before last year if he wanted to do so.

I do not want to hear the excuse about the portal hitting us every year, because it hits everyone all in the same. I just do not see much loyalty inside this program. I also do not see our coaching staff identifying the proper players needed for this program. We have had multiple players exit quickly (within a few months) of being in the portal. One minute they are ours, the next minute they are not. And one cannot convince me that it is all NIL related.