(03-25-2024 05:25 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 02:45 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 01:44 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 12:58 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear MAC Members,
This again, is a thread not is not needed. Sports are always going to evolve. Those that are on top today, will not necessarily be there tomorrow. Why do some here, constantly bring this up. Is it to boost your school, and or, complain about others? If, either are true, then call a spade a spade, and stop with hiding under some pretense of bull. Some here need a life.

Yawn
NIL has ruined the G5
We used to be bake to have a senior heavy program going up against a young P5 program and be competitive now every yr many programs have over 50% turnover and its impossible to build a program

Yes, NILs are changing the way recruiting goes, watching players develop etc. We can't give up, but fight, be in the NIL game and at least compete against other G5 conferences and mid majors without FBS.

NILs will not stop the crap as we lost a player last year that was given a 6 figure NIL deal. We have already lost 4 players. Full good with players having 1 year left and wanting to cash in for all the years of dedication.

Yes agree we must keep fighting indeed and keep cheering our programs!

I've talked to several fans of P2-6 schools, and they don't like what NIL is doing to college athletics either, so I think we should make common cause with these folks as well. I think that except for the top 10 or so schools moneywise that no one else likes this system. I think reform is possible.

Let’s take Duke for example, if they hired their next coach for $300k, then perhaps the ridiculous coaches salary start a reversing trend. If coaches salary is capped, then a reasonable payroll could be instituted on a graduating scale D1$ > D2$ > D3$. Regarding the big time network dollars, each school would divide the profits to subsidize athletics and academics.

A perfect world:-)

(03-25-2024 01:44 PM)cmufanatic Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 12:58 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear MAC Members,
This again, is a thread not is not needed. Sports are always going to evolve. Those that are on top today, will not necessarily be there tomorrow. Why do some here, constantly bring this up. Is it to boost your school, and or, complain about others? If, either are true, then call a spade a spade, and stop with hiding under some pretense of bull. Some here need a life.

Yawn
NIL has ruined the G5
We used to be bake to have a senior heavy program going up against a young P5 program and be competitive now every yr many programs have over 50% turnover and its impossible to build a program

NILs are out of the bag, so perhaps we should concentrate on transfer rules. I'm in between the old way and the current. Think the 1 year sitout rule should come back. However, you should be able to transfer if your coach changes along with the old hardship waivers.

(03-25-2024 10:56 AM)freshtop Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:13 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  It's a rough time out there for sure. NIU lost 52% of its scoring to the transfer portal since the portal opened last week. We weren't even that good after the first 7 games of the season.

Look at our true freshman all-MAC player Lovings-Watts. These are the schools showing interest. He's leaving for that??? What an unimpressive list.

A lot of the "good" teams were still playing ball when the portal opened. I am sure his list will grow.

Honestly, Lovings-Watts didn't do anything at NIU to warrant offers from the "good" teams. He had a few good games somewhere around the middle of the season but didn't lead NIU to any wins or do anything in the last month or so of our season.

Now look at Amos, this is a legit list of interested schools. Certainly worth leaving NIU...

(03-25-2024 12:18 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Regarding NIL's, do not have any inside information. The hoop, Massachusetts Collectives have monthly zoom meetings. Belong to the football, Midnight Ride Collective. They do not have monthly zoom meetings but did share in Boston the size of this years budget and Ryan Bamford in an interview said last year 10 players with substantial NIL deals and expect it to grow to perhaps 1/3 of the roster this year.

That all said, feel you need that pool of regular donors so the few whale donors feel good as well. Think NILs start with a few dedicated organizers willing to do it right for the long haul. Ours each have their own strategies, but you need to start with the leaders and a whale donor and then whatever the number of the members.

Really hope teams as Kent State, Akron, Ohio, and Toledo can have healthy NILs. Hope for more but focus their first. CMU has Tony Barbee, hope he has support and an NIL starts there as other places.

If you can't beat them, you have to join them. It's the landscape. Our NILs start with a $10 monthly contribution and have different levels. The Basketball NIL uses zoom and twitter. Here is the football NIL for ideas.
https://midnightridenil.com/

Could you elaborate specifically on what at “substantial deal” is a UMass for those 10 football players?

(03-26-2024 04:29 PM)axeme Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 12:18 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Regarding NIL's, do not have any inside information. The hoop, Massachusetts Collectives have monthly zoom meetings. Belong to the football, Midnight Ride Collective. They do not have monthly zoom meetings but did share in Boston the size of this years budget and Ryan Bamford in an interview said last year 10 players with substantial NIL deals and expect it to grow to perhaps 1/3 of the roster this year.

That all said, feel you need that pool of regular donors so the few whale donors feel good as well. Think NILs start with a few dedicated organizers willing to do it right for the long haul. Ours each have their own strategies, but you need to start with the leaders and a whale donor and then whatever the number of the members.

Really hope teams as Kent State, Akron, Ohio, and Toledo can have healthy NILs. Hope for more but focus their first. CMU has Tony Barbee, hope he has support and an NIL starts there as other places.

If you can't beat them, you have to join them. It's the landscape. Our NILs start with a $10 monthly contribution and have different levels. The Basketball NIL uses zoom and twitter. Here is the football NIL for ideas.
https://midnightridenil.com/

Could you elaborate specifically on what at “substantial deal” is a UMass for those 10 football players?

Don't have specific $$, but for instance a player with his family and child, help with rent. Guessing 10k or 5 digits is substantial. Enough to make their lives better while at UMass. Naturally QB would be higher but just don't know. This is for football.

Regarding basketball, Reggie "RJ" Luis Jr. was offered a 6 figure NIL deal, but decide to transfer last year.

Key is finding coaches and players that want to put up banners in the rafters. Who want to be part of a championship. Finding a group of players and coach that want to win. A player that wants fans to talk about the team 30 years later.es. Do they want to remember.
Look at Boals who played with Gary Trent and Geno Ford at Ohio. 1 reached the NBA considered one of the all time MAC greats and the other two are division I head coaches. Those guys beat West Virgina, Virginia, Ohio State and UConn. They lost to top five ranked Kentucky by 3 points in Kentucky home opener. Ohio was ranked 14th in AP in that matchup. Ohio won the preseason NIT in 1994-1995 season. UConn was ranked top 15 when Ohio beat them in Big Island Invitational in Hawaii in 93-94 season. That was the upset that turned a lot of heads and the name Gary Trent and Ohio got some attention. Ohio State win was first round preseason NIT. Virginia win was quarterfinals and ranked 14th at the time. They beat George Washington and New Mexico State at MSG in the finals. Do these players want to chase money or make some history and have their jersey retired or coach someday. The Ohio-Miami game with Trent vs Devin Davis battle in a sold out 12000 plus Convo in Athens. Funny thing is EMU and Ball State were better and reached the MAC finals. EMU was ranked too. MAC had four teams on the bubble that year.

(03-26-2024 11:13 PM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  Key is finding coaches and players that want to put up banners in the rafters. Who want to be part of a championship. Finding a group of players and coach that want to win. A player that wants fans to talk about the team 30 years later.es. Do they want to remember.
Look at Boals who played with Gary Trent and Geno Ford at Ohio. 1 reached the NBA considered one of the all time MAC greats and the other two are division I head coaches. Those guys beat West Virgina, Virginia, Ohio State and UConn. They lost to top five ranked Kentucky by 3 points in Kentucky home opener. Ohio was ranked 14th in AP in that matchup. Ohio won the preseason NIT in 1994-1995 season. UConn was ranked top 15 when Ohio beat them in Big Island Invitational in Hawaii in 93-94 season. That was the upset that turned a lot of heads and the name Gary Trent and Ohio got some attention. Ohio State win was first round preseason NIT. Virginia win was quarterfinals and ranked 14th at the time. They beat George Washington and New Mexico State at MSG in the finals. Do these players want to chase money or make some history and have their jersey retired or coach someday. The Ohio-Miami game with Trent vs Devin Davis battle in a sold out 12000 plus Convo in Athens. Funny thing is EMU and Ball State were better and reached the MAC finals. EMU was ranked too. MAC had four teams on the bubble that year.

You must be as old as me ((with a better memory ?)…You’re right but finding more than a few kids who care more about being champions (legacy) than personal achievement is almost impossible these days.

(03-27-2024 07:03 AM)Old Man Flash Wrote:  You’re right but finding more than a few kids who care more about being champions (legacy) than personal achievement is almost impossible these days.

Yes, any kid who ever picked up an AAU basketball thinks it's his birthright to go to The League, even if he's only getting recruited by MAC schools.

And NIL is only fanning those flames.

If another company called you and told you that would double your salary to do the same exact job, I imagine nearly everyone here would have their 2 week notice submitted tomorrow. It seems hypocritical to criticize someone when you'd do the same in their situation.