(03-27-2024 09:56 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Does anyone know why the AAC wanted Rice apart from being located in the Houston market? Academics sure, but do they care about basketball and football?

The Rice women won the league in Year 1. Rice men corrected course.

(03-28-2024 12:30 AM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 01:58 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt asks if all AAC teams should be required to have on campus stadiums for all sports?

This.

Schools that play in an aging off campus football stadium and play in an NBA arena (albeit a nice one) probably shouldn't be worrying about others investment in their programs. Something about glass houses.

I'm sure if the Memphis coaches were honest they'd list a quality on campus facility at the top of their wish list

A few observations about your post:

1. Because we are in the same conference, our fates are linked. Anything benefiting one program benefits all to a degree. Anything hindering one program hinders all to a degree.

2. The thread topic is "Are the latest AAC additions mandated to make minimum investments?" If you wish to make an inane argument about Memphis' investment commitment, then it belongs in a separate thread. Feel free to construct one. From my perspective, the question has been answered "no" and the fact established and this thread can die.

3. In your new thread, I would mention Memphis is making a coordinated hundreds of millions of dollars effort with other entities to materially improve both FB and BB facilities.

4. In your new thread, I would post whatever drawbacks conjured by detractors are dwarfed by the benefits derived by the Tigers and only unadulterated envy prevents anyone from acknowledging the obvious.

(03-28-2024 07:34 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:56 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Does anyone know why the AAC wanted Rice apart from being located in the Houston market? Academics sure, but do they care about basketball and football?

Why is Rice football getting dinged? Got one of two P5 scalps earned by the AAC, earned a bowl game, and finished 4-4 in conference (defeating Tulsa and ECU) with C-USA recruits and C-USA budgets. A ton of returning starters and another good trip through the portal.

What more did you expect in Year 1?

Pay no attention to these memphis fans who are upset their school couldn't even pull their weight in the one major sport they hang their hat on and now won't make corrections like firing their coach and get someone who can win more than the offseason and midnight madness. They are reaching for any reason other than their school isn't good enough to explain why they weren't selected.

They are the same sort who will tell you they were in the big 12 because they read a rumor on the interwebs and saw it in their local media durring the last round. They don't actually want facts they want a narrative that lets them off the hook. You're just the most recent "reason" memphis didn't make it.

clt says Charlotte is already making improvements, so yes.


utsa should cancel mbb and give that money to wbb

(03-28-2024 02:22 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says Charlotte is already making improvements, so yes.


utsa should cancel mbb and give that money to wbb

don't you mean give it to memphis since they are so poor?

(03-28-2024 07:34 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:56 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Does anyone know why the AAC wanted Rice apart from being located in the Houston market? Academics sure, but do they care about basketball and football?

Why is Rice football getting dinged? Got one of two P5 scalps earned by the AAC, earned a bowl game, and finished 4-4 in conference (defeating Tulsa and ECU) with C-USA recruits and C-USA budgets. A ton of returning starters and another good trip through the portal.

What more did you expect in Year 1?

Football may have potential, but I don't know what academic requirements the athletes have to meet. That may put a ceiling on upward trajectory.

Hard to see much potential for basketball from my perspective.

I wasn't trolling Rice fans; it was a serious question. Rice seems to be a great school for academics, which matters to some in realignment. I'm just not sure what that really does to strengthen the conference from an athletic standpoint. Additionally, Rice doesn't own the Houston market.

(03-28-2024 07:34 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:56 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Does anyone know why the AAC wanted Rice apart from being located in the Houston market? Academics sure, but do they care about basketball and football?

Why is Rice football getting dinged? Got one of two P5 scalps earned by the AAC, earned a bowl game, and finished 4-4 in conference (defeating Tulsa and ECU) with C-USA recruits and C-USA budgets. A ton of returning starters and another good trip through the portal.

What more did you expect in Year 1?

Hear, hear

(03-27-2024 09:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  A dispute exists about mandated minimum investments for the latest members.

I maintain there is no mandate based on the following Q & A:

Question: What kind of commitments have you gotten from smaller schools like Rice that they will invest in athletics?

Aresco: “Informal ones, but nothing formally in writing.“.

https://247sports.com/college/temple/art...184382014/

Are the latest AAC additions mandated to make minimum investments?
Yes
No

Please provide source.

I don't think they were mandated, but certainly expected. I don't think it's a coincidence that a few of the new members unveiled pretty aggressive projects after getting the call up.

(03-27-2024 11:13 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:32 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  A dispute exists about mandated minimum investments for the latest members.

I maintain there is no mandate based on the following Q & A:

Question: What kind of commitments have you gotten from smaller schools like Rice that they will invest in athletics?

Aresco: “Informal ones, but nothing formally in writing.“.

https://247sports.com/college/temple/art...184382014/

Are the latest AAC additions mandated to make minimum investments?
Yes
No

Please provide source.

I also made it clear the length of our current media contract was an issue and that Aresco did a horrible job as a commish.

Do you still maintain that standpoint? I'm not sure I want to know what kind of contract we'd have right now if the rights had come back up for renewal last year.

We had similar timing (contract negotiations and realignment at the same time) during the initial AAC deal, and it didn't work out very well for us. I'd rather be negotiating during a period of something resembling stability. Doing during times wen you're uncertain/unproven can get you a 2m a year deal.

(03-28-2024 03:51 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(03-28-2024 07:34 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:56 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Does anyone know why the AAC wanted Rice apart from being located in the Houston market? Academics sure, but do they care about basketball and football?

Why is Rice football getting dinged? Got one of two P5 scalps earned by the AAC, earned a bowl game, and finished 4-4 in conference (defeating Tulsa and ECU) with C-USA recruits and C-USA budgets. A ton of returning starters and another good trip through the portal.

What more did you expect in Year 1?

Football may have potential, but I don't know what academic requirements the athletes have to meet. That may put a ceiling on upward trajectory.

Hard to see much potential for basketball from my perspective.

I wasn't trolling Rice fans; it was a serious question. Rice seems to be a great school for academics, which matters to some in realignment. I'm just not sure what that really does to strengthen the conference from an athletic standpoint. Additionally, Rice doesn't own the Houston market.

I honestly think that, in the upcoming new world of college athletics where players are employees and teams have to spend minimum amounts on players, Rice is one of a handful of schools in this conference that could actually afford to pull it off.

I'm also not sure why Rice, with one of the top endowments in the country, hasn't historically thrown a lot of money at athletics. Despite that, they seem to be cranking that up now. I have it on pretty good authority that we(ECU) took a good look at JT Daniels last offseason. Our NIL program was a little late to the party, but wasn't nothing last year. The word is we lost out on Daniels to Rice based on price. If you are competing for athletes in the NIL space, then you are starting to do your part.

I'm not sure what the term minimum investments would include, but I know in Marshall's case with the SBC, there are facility requirements that we had to reach after joining.

For example, we had to not only build our new Baseball stadium (Already planned and was going to be built anyway), but we had to renovate our Softball and Soccer stadiums with things like larger Video boards, lights, and broadcasting equipment.

Those are just the ones I can remember, I'm sure there were others. I would think there are minimum facility requirements at least that must be met to join.

(03-28-2024 11:19 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(03-28-2024 07:34 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:56 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Does anyone know why the AAC wanted Rice apart from being located in the Houston market? Academics sure, but do they care about basketball and football?

Why is Rice football getting dinged? Got one of two P5 scalps earned by the AAC, earned a bowl game, and finished 4-4 in conference (defeating Tulsa and ECU) with C-USA recruits and C-USA budgets. A ton of returning starters and another good trip through the portal.

What more did you expect in Year 1?

Pay no attention to these memphis fans who are upset their school couldn't even pull their weight in the one major sport they hang their hat on and now won't make corrections like firing their coach and get someone who can win more than the offseason and midnight madness. They are reaching for any reason other than their school isn't good enough to explain why they weren't selected.

They are the same sort who will tell you they were in the big 12 because they read a rumor on the interwebs and saw it in their local media durring the last round. They don't actually want facts they want a narrative that lets them off the hook. You're just the most recent "reason" memphis didn't make it.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...Tulsa...zzzzzzzzzz

11:19 PM on a Thursday. I'm guessing three sheets in the wind.

Rather than ask if it’s mandatory, how about ask what programs have been doing, and gauge for yourself if programs are making investments. Everybody’s situation is different. The state isn’t gifting us a football stadium.

UTSA is cooking:
-$12m budget increase in 2023
-Soccer and Track team facility opened 2023
-$57M in institutional backed improvements over the next 5 years.
-Includes $35M basketball facility (breaking ground Q4 2024), Football pavillion, baseball and softball improvements
-$6M in TV broadcast improvements

(03-29-2024 08:43 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-28-2024 03:51 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(03-28-2024 07:34 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:56 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Does anyone know why the AAC wanted Rice apart from being located in the Houston market? Academics sure, but do they care about basketball and football?

Why is Rice football getting dinged? Got one of two P5 scalps earned by the AAC, earned a bowl game, and finished 4-4 in conference (defeating Tulsa and ECU) with C-USA recruits and C-USA budgets. A ton of returning starters and another good trip through the portal.

What more did you expect in Year 1?

Football may have potential, but I don't know what academic requirements the athletes have to meet. That may put a ceiling on upward trajectory.

Hard to see much potential for basketball from my perspective.

I wasn't trolling Rice fans; it was a serious question. Rice seems to be a great school for academics, which matters to some in realignment. I'm just not sure what that really does to strengthen the conference from an athletic standpoint. Additionally, Rice doesn't own the Houston market.

I honestly think that, in the upcoming new world of college athletics where players are employees and teams have to spend minimum amounts on players, Rice is one of a handful of schools in this conference that could actually afford to pull it off.

I'm also not sure why Rice, with one of the top endowments in the country, hasn't historically thrown a lot of money at athletics. Despite that, they seem to be cranking that up now. I have it on pretty good authority that we(ECU) took a good look at JT Daniels last offseason. Our NIL program was a little late to the party, but wasn't nothing last year. The word is we lost out on Daniels to Rice based on price. If you are competing for athletes in the NIL space, then you are starting to do your part.

Yep. These are the questions. If you're coming at it from a glass half full perspective, the assumption is Rice will throw money at football and have improved results over what their history would imply. I agree there is potential.

(03-28-2024 07:34 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:56 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Does anyone know why the AAC wanted Rice apart from being located in the Houston market? Academics sure, but do they care about basketball and football?

Why is Rice football getting dinged? Got one of two P5 scalps earned by the AAC, earned a bowl game, and finished 4-4 in conference (defeating Tulsa and ECU) with C-USA recruits and C-USA budgets. A ton of returning starters and another good trip through the portal.

What more did you expect in Year 1?

He is a Memphis fan...

(03-29-2024 12:59 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(03-28-2024 07:34 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 09:56 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Does anyone know why the AAC wanted Rice apart from being located in the Houston market? Academics sure, but do they care about basketball and football?

Why is Rice football getting dinged? Got one of two P5 scalps earned by the AAC, earned a bowl game, and finished 4-4 in conference (defeating Tulsa and ECU) with C-USA recruits and C-USA budgets. A ton of returning starters and another good trip through the portal.

What more did you expect in Year 1?

He is a Memphis fan...

These sorts of questions never came up before UTSA bb joined.

It is amusing reading reactions to a straight forward request for fact twist into posters’ hobby horse.

Aresco was very clear that the C-USA6 were selected because they were the programs deemed most able and willing to invest at the level requested by the AAC. He publicly stated that UNT was selected in part because of the investments we have made, and are continuing to make. But, Aresco never said anything about mandates.

I think Rice is a sleeping giant. The will just needs to match the means.

(03-29-2024 10:28 AM)ATXUTSAGRAD Wrote:  Rather than ask if it’s mandatory, how about ask what programs have been doing, and gauge for yourself if programs are making investments. Everybody’s situation is different. The state isn’t gifting us a football stadium.

UTSA is cooking:
-$12m budget increase in 2023
-Soccer and Track team facility opened 2023
-$57M in institutional backed improvements over the next 5 years.
-Includes $35M basketball facility (breaking ground Q4 2024), Football pavillion, baseball and softball improvements
-$6M in TV broadcast improvements

Mandates are not required, but investments are underway anyway. Both parts can be accurate. My question pertains to the accuracy of the former.