(04-06-2024 09:50 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  The Sun Belt is a Southern (regional) conference with 2 hyper-regionalish divisions. I want to see Troy play on bigger stages and earn more money for itself but I like how our conference is setup. It seems that CUSA is following the same model now too but just with less teams.

I like the SBC divisional approach.

(04-08-2024 12:42 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 12:10 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Promotion/Relegation is an awesome format. It works well in Europe because of the compact geography of each system, EPL, LaLiga, Ligue, Bundesliga, Serie. Every country has a system. To picture it here, imagine if every state had Pro/Rel in their High School System. It would be so cool.

Pro/Rel in college would only work for a specific region. Regional champions could then be entered in to a Champions league format.

It makes things too complicated, makes it hard for small schools to plan ahead in regards to budgets. It also interrupts longtime rivalries. If you get relegated you also have the issue of Transfers leaving.

Not sure why everyone gets so excited about Promotion and Relegation. Sure it works in Europe with Pro Soccer, but we are dealing with schools here.

It seems that a lot of people don't understand why people are fans in the first place.

There are literal owners fighting to form new leagues without promotion and relegation even in Europe to capitalize on money the same way U.S. sports operate. In fact there are numerous clubs that have gone bankrupt and needed phoenix clubs to rise up in its place because of the financial issues seeking glory at the highest level in unsustainable ways.

10 is not enough to gain any meaniful geography within a a super division. I said before and still think 18 could be productive.

Also consider that we are probably going to an autobid for the B1G, SEC, ACC, XII and G5. A super G5 football conference of 18 teams with an autobid to the playoff would be more in-line with what the ACC/XII are working with.

A level of 18 with playoff autobid, then a second level of 18 that reg/promote 3 a year followed by the lowest level of 28 programs which could compete on a level playing field.

Top 18 by winning percentage from last season as an example:

East
Liberty .929
James Madison .846
Troy .786
Miami .786
Toledo .786
Ohio .750
Jacksonville St. .692
Appalachian St. .683
Bowling Green .625

West
Tulane .786
Boise State .778
Memphis .769
San Jose St. .750
UTSA .692
UNLV .667
NMSU .667
Air Force .625
Northern Illinios .625

Then if you pull the 3 lowest each year, figuring Bowling Green and NIU benefited the most from a MAC schedule and AFA would struggle with the step up in competition then next year call up 3 more to replace from the next tier down.

Over time the Top 10-12 would stabilize in the top grouping each every year.

(04-08-2024 07:00 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  10 is not enough to gain any meaniful geography within a a super division. I said before and still think 18 could be productive.

Also consider that we are probably going to an autobid for the B1G, SEC, ACC, XII and G5. A super G5 football conference of 18 teams with an autobid to the playoff would be more in-line with what the ACC/XII are working with.

A level of 18 with playoff autobid, then a second level of 18 that reg/promote 3 a year followed by the lowest level of 28 programs which could compete on a level playing field.

Top 18 by winning percentage from last season as an example:

East
Liberty .929
James Madison .846
Troy .786
Miami .786
Toledo .786
Ohio .750
Jacksonville St. .692
Appalachian St. .683
Bowling Green .625

West
Tulane .786
Boise State .778
Memphis .769
San Jose St. .750
UTSA .692
UNLV .667
NMSU .667
Air Force .625
Northern Illinios .625

Then if you pull the 3 lowest each year, figuring Bowling Green and NIU benefited the most from a MAC schedule and AFA would struggle with the step up in competition then next year call up 3 more to replace from the next tier down.

Over time the Top 10-12 would stabilize in the top grouping each every year.

The 10-member size came from the idea that the G5 would all still need 9 schools for their conference schedule. You might get away with 12, but you’d have to limit the conferences to 5 super league members.

(04-08-2024 07:31 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 07:00 PM)Garden_KC Wrote:  10 is not enough to gain any meaniful geography within a a super division. I said before and still think 18 could be productive.

Also consider that we are probably going to an autobid for the B1G, SEC, ACC, XII and G5. A super G5 football conference of 18 teams with an autobid to the playoff would be more in-line with what the ACC/XII are working with.

A level of 18 with playoff autobid, then a second level of 18 that reg/promote 3 a year followed by the lowest level of 28 programs which could compete on a level playing field.

Top 18 by winning percentage from last season as an example:

East
Liberty .929
James Madison .846
Troy .786
Miami .786
Toledo .786
Ohio .750
Jacksonville St. .692
Appalachian St. .683
Bowling Green .625

West
Tulane .786
Boise State .778
Memphis .769
San Jose St. .750
UTSA .692
UNLV .667
NMSU .667
Air Force .625
Northern Illinios .625

Then if you pull the 3 lowest each year, figuring Bowling Green and NIU benefited the most from a MAC schedule and AFA would struggle with the step up in competition then next year call up 3 more to replace from the next tier down.

Over time the Top 10-12 would stabilize in the top grouping each every year.

The 10-member size came from the idea that the G5 would all still need 9 schools for their conference schedule. You might get away with 12, but you’d have to limit the conferences to 5 super league members.

I'm saying you might want to go to 18 for travel purposes so you can make East/West divisions to make the concept somewhat economical.

(04-04-2024 03:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I like the idea of having 10 of the top G5s playing an 8 game “conference” schedule among themselves.

That would be a friggin murderers row. I'd bet on a team's record against a full ACC/B12 schedule before I would a slate of the top G5 teams.

(04-08-2024 08:08 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(04-04-2024 03:37 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I like the idea of having 10 of the top G5s playing an 8 game “conference” schedule among themselves.

That would be a friggin murderers row. I'd bet on a team's record against a full ACC/B12 schedule before I would a slate of the top G5 teams.

That's what the SBC East is.

SEC 8.34
P12 8.08
B10 8.07
B12 8.03
ACC 7.83
SBCE 7.28
SBC 7.21
MWC 7.20
AAC 7.15
SBCW 7.15
MACW 6.90
CUSA 6.88
MAC 6.85
MACE 6.81

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