The Big 10 and SEC both go to 24 schools. I picked 6 AAU schools that I think would make the most sense for the Big 10 to pursue. Then the best remaining 8 to the SEC.

Big 10:
Duke
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Nebraska
North Carolina
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oregon
Penn State
Purdue
Rutgers
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

SEC:
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Kentucky
LSU
Miami
Mississippi State
Missouri
NC State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Ole Miss
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech

The remaining 32 are the P5 that were left out of the top 48 with the top of the MWC and AAC. They are split between west and east to reduce travel. (Ideal names are PAC and ACC but we’ll just call them Best of Rest West and East.)

BOR West:
Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
Boise State
BYU
California
Colorado
Colorado State
Fresno State
New Mexico
Oregon State
San Diego State
TCU
UNLV
Utah
Washington State

BOR East:
Boston College
Cincinnati
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas State
Louisville
Memphis
Pittsburgh
SMU
South Florida
Syracuse
Temple
Tulane
UCF
Wake Forest
West Virginia

It’s not perfect, but I think this would make sense if this is the route college sports is going. Obviously schools could swap places with others or take the place of a school listed above.

If the B1G and SEC go 24, I see no reason why the 3rd conference will be more than 24. It will be all the remaining P4 teams, plus only a few extra. Even in that scenario, if we go to 3, most likely it is the Big 12 that survives because this scenario on happens if the ACC dissolves. The only way that happens is if ESPN does not pick up the renewal on them in a few years and there is a mass exodus of their teams. With that being said, it is quite possible Big 12 does not go full 24 and stays even lower, depending on teams available. In the end of the day, it is whatever their media partners are willing to pay for, not necessarily who Big 12 would like.

I think 80 is too much but let's go with it for the thread:

Power 70 + Boise St, Colorado St, Connecticut, East Carolina, Fresno St, San Diego St, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, UNLV

(04-10-2024 09:24 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I think 80 is too much but let's go with it for the thread:

Power 70 + Boise St, Colorado St, Connecticut, East Carolina, Fresno St, San Diego St, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, UNLV

Memphis would be in that group.

Boise should be, but I don't know that they would choose them.

I'd say most likely 10 would be UConn, SDSU, USF, Temple, Tulane, Memphis and then 4 from your other choices---UNLV and CSU most likely. Boise and ECU probably beat out Fresno.

80 is the number they used for FBS in the 70’s (purge)…that number although leaves out some good teams is where they will land in my opinion..

Still like access to playoffs for all 130 plus teams

80 is about 40 too many.

(04-09-2024 10:53 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  The Big 10 and SEC both go to 24 schools. I picked 6 AAU schools that I think would make the most sense for the Big 10 to pursue. Then the best remaining 8 to the SEC.

Big 10:
Duke
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Nebraska
North Carolina
Northwestern
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oregon
Penn State
Purdue
Rutgers
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin

SEC:
Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Kentucky
LSU
Miami
Mississippi State
Missouri
NC State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Ole Miss
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Vanderbilt
Virginia Tech

The remaining 32 are the P5 that were left out of the top 48 with the top of the MWC and AAC. They are split between west and east to reduce travel. (Ideal names are PAC and ACC but we’ll just call them Best of Rest West and East.)

BOR West:
Arizona
Arizona State
Baylor
Boise State
BYU
California
Colorado
Colorado State
Fresno State
New Mexico
Oregon State
San Diego State
TCU
UNLV
Utah
Washington State

BOR East:
Boston College
Cincinnati
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas State
Louisville
Memphis
Pittsburgh
SMU
South Florida
Syracuse
Temple
Tulane
UCF
Wake Forest
West Virginia

It’s not perfect, but I think this would make sense if this is the route college sports is going. Obviously schools could swap places with others or take the place of a school listed above.

I don't expect the B1G and SEC to go that big, but I'll accept your 80 schools to see where that leads us.

I would see the B1G and SEC organizing into four 6-team divisions, with each of the 8 division champs getting an autobid to the CFP.

The PAC (or B12) and ACC have two 8 team divisions, with the champs playing a CCG to determine who gets the two autobids. That still leaves room for 6 at-large bids, one of which could go to the highest ranked G4* champion.

* because the six remaining MWC teams merge with the 10 remaining AAC teams under the American name (since all three service academies would be in this conference). This conference would be for football only, allowing the far west teams
plus Army and Navy to belong to more geographically suitable leagues. There are still 8 other (9 counting Wichita State) AAC members to maintain a viable D-I conference for Olympic sports.

At 16 members, including three academies, this league adopts a unique scheduling model. Navy raises the flag in the Pacific Fleet @Hawaii every year. The other 14 members play @Hawaii every other year, giving Hawaii an 8 home game conference schedule. Then, everyone except Hawaii plays three annual rivals and five other conference games (including the Hawaii games). It remains to be determined whether Army and Navy would play in a CCG.

Works for me, in a fantasy sort of way. Won't ever happen, but it's fun to imagine it.

Something like this may be how this works out.

When Texas, Texas A&M, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Southern Cal, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, etc.. realize that they may not need schools like Mississippi State, Indiana, etc..., the pie gets smaller, but the revenue may be the same or larger.

My take, not that this has any chance of ever happening.

Big Ten
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa

Big East
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Maryland
West Virginia
Notre Dame
Miami
Louisville

ACC
Virginia
Virginia Tech
UNC
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Georgia
Florida
Ole Miss
Mississippi St
LSU

Big 12
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri
Colorado
Utah
BYU
Cincinnati
UCF

Southwest Conference
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Arkansas
SMU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Arizona
Arizona St

Promotion/Relegation
Tulane
Memphis
UTSA
Boise State
UNLV
Air Force
Liberty
Miami(O)
Toledo
Troy

(04-10-2024 10:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 09:24 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I think 80 is too much but let's go with it for the thread:

Power 70 + Boise St, Colorado St, Connecticut, East Carolina, Fresno St, San Diego St, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, UNLV

Memphis would be in that group.

Boise should be, but I don't know that they would choose them.

I'd say most likely 10 would be UConn, SDSU, USF, Temple, Tulane, Memphis and then 4 from your other choices---UNLV and CSU most likely. Boise and ECU probably beat out Fresno.

I can’t believe I forgot Memphis. Add Memphis and remove UNLV.

(04-10-2024 12:52 PM)orangefan Wrote:  My take, not that this has any chance of ever happening.

Big Ten
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa

Big East
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Maryland
West Virginia
Notre Dame
Miami
Louisville

ACC
Virginia
Virginia Tech
UNC
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Georgia
Florida
Ole Miss
Mississippi St
LSU

Big 12
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri
Colorado
Utah
BYU
Cincinnati
UCF

Southwest Conference
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Arkansas
SMU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Arizona
Arizona St

Promotion/Relegation
Tulane
Memphis
UTSA
Boise State
UNLV
Air Force
Liberty
Miami(O)
Toledo
Troy

I did something similar to that. Here's what I came up with:

ACC

Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
NC State
North Carolina
South Carolina
Virginia
Wake Forest

Big East

Boston College
Miami (FL)
Notre Dame
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Syracuse
UCF
Virginia Tech
West Virginia

Big Ten

Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Northwestern
Ohio State
Purdue
Wisconsin

Big X

BYU
Colorado
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Utah

PAC-10

Arizona
Arizona State
California
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State

SEC

Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
LSU
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

SWC

Arkansas
Baylor
Cincinatti
Louisville
Houston
SMU
TCU
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

I didn't add any pro/reg teams to my list. Simply because I don't think it'll work, let alone even happen in American sports.

(04-10-2024 09:24 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I think 80 is too much but let's go with it for the thread:

Power 70 + Boise St, Colorado St, Connecticut, East Carolina, Fresno St, San Diego St, South Florida, Temple, Tulane, UNLV

David St, you have been summoned.

(04-10-2024 12:52 PM)orangefan Wrote:  My take, not that this has any chance of ever happening.

Big Ten
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa

Big East
Boston College
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
Maryland
West Virginia
Notre Dame
Miami
Louisville

ACC
Virginia
Virginia Tech
UNC
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech
Florida State

SEC
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Georgia
Florida
Ole Miss
Mississippi St
LSU

Big 12
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri
Colorado
Utah
BYU
Cincinnati
UCF

Southwest Conference
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Arkansas
SMU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Arizona
Arizona St

Promotion/Relegation
Tulane
Memphis
UTSA
Boise State
UNLV
Air Force
Liberty
Miami(O)
Toledo
Troy

I'm going to alter yours a bit:

Big Ten
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa

Big East
Boston College
UConn
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Miami

ACC
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
UNC
NC State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia Tech


SEC
Alabama
Auburn
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Georgia
Florida
Ole Miss
Mississippi St
LSU

Big 12
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Missouri
Colorado
Utah
BYU



Southwest Conference
UCF
Florida State
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Arkansas
SMU


Pac 10
USC
UCLA
Cal
Stanford
Washington
Washington St
Oregon
Oregon St
Arizona
Arizona St

G5
as is

Independent
Notre Dame

A list without any context! This is so unique that we only see two threads like this a week.

Observing these lists, some patterns emerge, which are dependent upon the author's wishful desires. From these some rules about these lists emerge:

1) The list must be just large enough to include the school the author roots for
- e.g., VT or NC State fan will have their list expand P2 just enough for their school to be included
- Oregon State, San Diego State, Boise State, Memphis, South Florida fan will extend P4 just enough to include their school
- App State, UNLV or Marshall fan will have an even bigger collection to include their school

2) The number must be some perfectly balanced symmetrical even number
- preferred are 3x 24, or 4x 20, or 2x 32
- must satisfy OCD need for perfect symmetry

3) Finances are never mentioned whether it applies to:
- who is paying the conferences for this
- the school's ability to fund Football at this level
- Economic and political incentives necessary for P2/P4 are ignore or passed over.

Number three is in part to justify number one, allowing their favorite school in, but mostly because this would require some research which could lead to an unravelling of their model. There may be other rules in making lists, but these are the three that immediately come to mind and seem self evident.

(04-10-2024 06:45 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  A list without any context! This is so unique that we only see two threads like this a week.

Observing these lists, some patterns emerge, which are dependent upon the author's wishful desires. From these some rules about these lists emerge:

1) The list must be just large enough to include the school the author roots for
- e.g., VT or NC State fan will have their list expand P2 just enough for their school to be included
- Oregon State, San Diego State, Boise State, Memphis, South Florida fan will extend P4 just enough to include their school
- App State, UNLV or Marshall fan will have an even bigger collection to include their school

2) The number must be some perfectly balanced symmetrical even number
- preferred are 3x 24, or 4x 20, or 2x 32
- must satisfy OCD need for perfect symmetry

3) Finances are never mentioned whether it applies to:
- who is paying the conferences for this
- the school's ability to fund Football at this level
- Economic and political incentives necessary for P2/P4 are ignore or passed over.

Number three is in part to justify number one, allowing their favorite school in, but mostly because this would require some research which could lead to an unravelling of their model. There may be other rules in making lists, but these are the three that immediately come to mind and seem self evident.

Actually these “lists” are based on the concept that top ranking execs recently floated out there which contained seven “power” conferences and a G5 relegation conference. I eliminated the last part because I don’t think it works and I just plain don’t like it. My goal was to 1) try to evenly balance out the divisions and 2) maintain as many traditional rivals as possible.

(04-11-2024 06:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 06:45 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  A list without any context! This is so unique that we only see two threads like this a week.

Observing these lists, some patterns emerge, which are dependent upon the author's wishful desires. From these some rules about these lists emerge:

1) The list must be just large enough to include the school the author roots for
- e.g., VT or NC State fan will have their list expand P2 just enough for their school to be included
- Oregon State, San Diego State, Boise State, Memphis, South Florida fan will extend P4 just enough to include their school
- App State, UNLV or Marshall fan will have an even bigger collection to include their school

2) The number must be some perfectly balanced symmetrical even number
- preferred are 3x 24, or 4x 20, or 2x 32
- must satisfy OCD need for perfect symmetry

3) Finances are never mentioned whether it applies to:
- who is paying the conferences for this
- the school's ability to fund Football at this level
- Economic and political incentives necessary for P2/P4 are ignore or passed over.

Number three is in part to justify number one, allowing their favorite school in, but mostly because this would require some research which could lead to an unravelling of their model. There may be other rules in making lists, but these are the three that immediately come to mind and seem self evident.

Actually these “lists” are based on the concept that top ranking execs recently floated out there which contained seven “power” conferences and a G5 relegation conference. I eliminated the last part because I don’t think it works and I just plain don’t like it. My goal was to 1) try to evenly balance out the divisions and 2) maintain as many traditional rivals as possible.

Right, the lists are based on the design proposed by the advocates for a super league. Since those advocates didn't propose which schools would be in which divisions, we made our own proposals. The Athletic made its own list here: https://theathletic.com/5390774/2024/04/...standings/

The execs suffered the same OCD and desire for symmetry, even numbers, and ignored finances and politics. They followed the three rules, with their G5 access, even throwing in promotion/demotion so popular on forums. (I suspect they came up with it from reading forums combined with adult beverages or formerly illegal smokes.)

Same rules. Perhaps I need to add an optional promotion/demotion scheme since that is in vogue.

(04-11-2024 01:04 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The execs suffered the same OCD and desire for symmetry, even numbers, and ignored finances and politics. They followed the three rules, with their G5 access, even throwing in promotion/demotion so popular on forums. (I suspect they came up with it from reading forums combined with adult beverages or formerly illegal smokes.)

Well, don't demonize us for following their format. Or ya know, just don't read and respond to the thread if you don't like it?

(04-11-2024 01:04 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The execs suffered the same OCD and desire for symmetry, even numbers, and ignored finances and politics. They followed the three rules, with their G5 access, even throwing in promotion/demotion so popular on forums. (I suspect they came up with it from reading forums combined with adult beverages or formerly illegal smokes.)

Same rules. Perhaps I need to add an optional promotion/demotion scheme since that is in vogue.

I find it really fascinating how strong the pull for symmetry is.

Even the current ACC scenarios are either SEC and B1G both adding two or 4/2 to get them symmetrically to 20. And then people divide the 20 into symmetric divisions even though scheduling was deregulated and went divisionless years ago.

I try to upvote every semi-plausible scenario I see posted that eschews symmetry for the sake of symmetry.

I want to see more SEC18 and B1G21 scenarios.

(04-11-2024 03:50 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:04 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The execs suffered the same OCD and desire for symmetry, even numbers, and ignored finances and politics. They followed the three rules, with their G5 access, even throwing in promotion/demotion so popular on forums. (I suspect they came up with it from reading forums combined with adult beverages or formerly illegal smokes.)

Same rules. Perhaps I need to add an optional promotion/demotion scheme since that is in vogue.

I find it really fascinating how strong the pull for symmetry is.

Even the current ACC scenarios are either SEC and B1G both adding two or 4/2 to get them symmetrically to 20. And then people divide the 20 into symmetric divisions even though scheduling was deregulated and went divisionless years ago.

I try to upvote every semi-plausible scenario I see posted that eschews symmetry for the sake of symmetry.

I want to see more SEC18 and B1G21 scenarios.

ACC has one PR for 18

SEC has two for 20

Big XII is capped at 16

Lord knows what the Big Ten has because they’re not even paying PR for UW and UO