(04-10-2024 11:53 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  IWULT.

What does IWULT mean?

(04-11-2024 06:46 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:53 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  IWULT.

What does IWULT mean?

The poster's handle is IWokeUpLikeThis (thus, IWULT)

(04-11-2024 01:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 12:39 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:53 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  This is the 2nd thread in as many months that explores the possibility of the BE kicking out DePaul. That doesn't mean it will happen, but, man, that's not a place you want to be. Having said that, DePaul just hired Chris Holtman, they're spending the money that it takes to bring in a top notch coach, and they're exactly 1 year away from Greatness and Huge Attendance and TV numbers if Holtman gets the train rolling again.

Deciding between DePaul and Loyola-Chicago is kinda like Conference deciding between Florida Atlantic and Miami. Even if Miami has won 2 games a year for a decade, you'd always know that they're one good hire away from ACC titles, Major Bowls, huge tv ratings and, now, the CFP. If Holtman does his job, he'll have DePaul crankin' immediately, the program will be full of buzz, and that stadium will start filling up again.

This^.

I grew up with DePaul basketball (big fan via the Dad, Class of 1949). And Notre Dame football. In our house it was "Loyola who?" and "don't use that kinda language with your mother in the room." Seriously. I think.

Took too long time to get past the Ray/Joey Meyer era(s), complicated by the need for new digs and where. With a little ($$) help from friends (Chicago pols) they got Wintrust. Now great to see DePaul getting a good (?) coach and hopefully on the way back, finally. Do that and you'll see fans, lots of fans. Think of them as dormant, but waiting for it. They've had their downs and now we have these "situation" downers, but as Bill Dazzle said, shake it off and move on.

Well put, pvk75. Agree.

It seems that most of the posters contending the Big East should drop DePaul or that DePaul will never be competitive are younger than 45 (and, as such, don't recall when Blue Demon basketball was a big deal in Chicago). When I lived in Chicago (1987 to 1993), DePaul basketball was still very popular (following the retirement of Ray Meyer). The "bones" are in place for DePaul hoops to rise from the ashes. Now, whether that ever happens ...

I accept that DePaul can eventually rise up again. As you and Frank have stated, the foundation is there to roar back quickly.

It's just that all I know about them in the modern era is one of their starters transferred to my school and helped them earn an NCAA bid in 2021, and they paid Long Beach State to beat them in 2023. Not a good look in recent years

(04-11-2024 08:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 12:39 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:53 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  This is the 2nd thread in as many months that explores the possibility of the BE kicking out DePaul. That doesn't mean it will happen, but, man, that's not a place you want to be. Having said that, DePaul just hired Chris Holtman, they're spending the money that it takes to bring in a top notch coach, and they're exactly 1 year away from Greatness and Huge Attendance and TV numbers if Holtman gets the train rolling again.

Deciding between DePaul and Loyola-Chicago is kinda like Conference deciding between Florida Atlantic and Miami. Even if Miami has won 2 games a year for a decade, you'd always know that they're one good hire away from ACC titles, Major Bowls, huge tv ratings and, now, the CFP. If Holtman does his job, he'll have DePaul crankin' immediately, the program will be full of buzz, and that stadium will start filling up again.

This^.

I grew up with DePaul basketball (big fan via the Dad, Class of 1949). And Notre Dame football. In our house it was "Loyola who?" and "don't use that kinda language with your mother in the room." Seriously. I think.

Took too long time to get past the Ray/Joey Meyer era(s), complicated by the need for new digs and where. With a little ($$) help from friends (Chicago pols) they got Wintrust. Now great to see DePaul getting a good (?) coach and hopefully on the way back, finally. Do that and you'll see fans, lots of fans. Think of them as dormant, but waiting for it. They've had their downs and now we have these "situation" downers, but as Bill Dazzle said, shake it off and move on.

Well put, pvk75. Agree.

It seems that most of the posters contending the Big East should drop DePaul or that DePaul will never be competitive are younger than 45 (and, as such, don't recall when Blue Demon basketball was a big deal in Chicago). When I lived in Chicago (1987 to 1993), DePaul basketball was still very popular (following the retirement of Ray Meyer). The "bones" are in place for DePaul hoops to rise from the ashes. Now, whether that ever happens ...

I accept that DePaul can eventually rise up again. As you and Frank have stated, the foundation is there to roar back quickly.

It's just that all I know about them in the modern era is one of their starters transferred to my school and helped them earn an NCAA bid in 2021, and they paid Long Beach State to beat them in 2023. Not a good look in recent years

That is putting it lightly and politely.

(04-11-2024 05:22 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 04:39 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 03:25 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:58 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 09:10 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  And then Loyola starts to suck.

That’s exactly what would happen. Loyola has no advantage over DePaul other than winning the coaching carousel lottery when they hired a coach who was fired after a 22-50 conference record in the MVC at Illinois St.

Remember, Loyola went *49* years with *1* NCAA Tournament appearance until their Final Four in 2018. Only *14* of those *49* years consisted of a winning record. History does not show Loyola could make the jump to the Big East and sustain.

One could argue Loyola has the advantage of having an on-campus arena.

Gentile is a fine facility and an intimate atmosphere, but it’s not anywhere near Big East material. I’m quite biased towards Loyola as I’m doing my MBA there now but there’s no comparing the two in athletics. For as bad as DU has been forever, they’re still way ahead of where LUC is. Even if the Blue Demons were kicked out of the BE (not happening as stated before) they’d be replaced with a dozen schools before Loyola got a call.

To be specific, I was not comparing the quality of Gentile to that of Wintrust. I simply meant that, in general, it's better to have an on-campus arena than not.

I've been very clear in multiple posts that I don't foresee the Big East "expelling" DePaul.

Good luck with your degree work. I like the Loyola campus and the Rogers Park area. I once saw a prep basketball game at the since-razed Alumni Gym (a wonderful 2,000-seat old-school facility) on the campus.

Gotcha yeah. Was a missed opportunity by DePaul to not get a new arena closer to campus (Lincoln Yards development would’ve been perfect) but when Wintrust became an option they had to take it just to get out of Rosemont. As I’ve mentioned before, the bigger missed opportunity was not building a sufficiently large on-campus arena around the turn of the century so they could do a dual setup with the United Center like St. John’s does.

(04-12-2024 08:30 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 08:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 12:39 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 11:53 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  This is the 2nd thread in as many months that explores the possibility of the BE kicking out DePaul. That doesn't mean it will happen, but, man, that's not a place you want to be. Having said that, DePaul just hired Chris Holtman, they're spending the money that it takes to bring in a top notch coach, and they're exactly 1 year away from Greatness and Huge Attendance and TV numbers if Holtman gets the train rolling again.

Deciding between DePaul and Loyola-Chicago is kinda like Conference deciding between Florida Atlantic and Miami. Even if Miami has won 2 games a year for a decade, you'd always know that they're one good hire away from ACC titles, Major Bowls, huge tv ratings and, now, the CFP. If Holtman does his job, he'll have DePaul crankin' immediately, the program will be full of buzz, and that stadium will start filling up again.

This^.

I grew up with DePaul basketball (big fan via the Dad, Class of 1949). And Notre Dame football. In our house it was "Loyola who?" and "don't use that kinda language with your mother in the room." Seriously. I think.

Took too long time to get past the Ray/Joey Meyer era(s), complicated by the need for new digs and where. With a little ($$) help from friends (Chicago pols) they got Wintrust. Now great to see DePaul getting a good (?) coach and hopefully on the way back, finally. Do that and you'll see fans, lots of fans. Think of them as dormant, but waiting for it. They've had their downs and now we have these "situation" downers, but as Bill Dazzle said, shake it off and move on.

Well put, pvk75. Agree.

It seems that most of the posters contending the Big East should drop DePaul or that DePaul will never be competitive are younger than 45 (and, as such, don't recall when Blue Demon basketball was a big deal in Chicago). When I lived in Chicago (1987 to 1993), DePaul basketball was still very popular (following the retirement of Ray Meyer). The "bones" are in place for DePaul hoops to rise from the ashes. Now, whether that ever happens ...

I accept that DePaul can eventually rise up again. As you and Frank have stated, the foundation is there to roar back quickly.

It's just that all I know about them in the modern era is one of their starters transferred to my school and helped them earn an NCAA bid in 2021, and they paid Long Beach State to beat them in 2023. Not a good look in recent years

That is putting it lightly and politely.

The player was Brandon Cyrus, if you were wondering. He started something like 55 of 63 games for DePaul before transferring to UCSB in 2018.

(04-12-2024 06:21 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-12-2024 08:30 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 08:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 01:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-11-2024 12:39 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  This^.

I grew up with DePaul basketball (big fan via the Dad, Class of 1949). And Notre Dame football. In our house it was "Loyola who?" and "don't use that kinda language with your mother in the room." Seriously. I think.

Took too long time to get past the Ray/Joey Meyer era(s), complicated by the need for new digs and where. With a little ($$) help from friends (Chicago pols) they got Wintrust. Now great to see DePaul getting a good (?) coach and hopefully on the way back, finally. Do that and you'll see fans, lots of fans. Think of them as dormant, but waiting for it. They've had their downs and now we have these "situation" downers, but as Bill Dazzle said, shake it off and move on.

Well put, pvk75. Agree.

It seems that most of the posters contending the Big East should drop DePaul or that DePaul will never be competitive are younger than 45 (and, as such, don't recall when Blue Demon basketball was a big deal in Chicago). When I lived in Chicago (1987 to 1993), DePaul basketball was still very popular (following the retirement of Ray Meyer). The "bones" are in place for DePaul hoops to rise from the ashes. Now, whether that ever happens ...

I accept that DePaul can eventually rise up again. As you and Frank have stated, the foundation is there to roar back quickly.

It's just that all I know about them in the modern era is one of their starters transferred to my school and helped them earn an NCAA bid in 2021, and they paid Long Beach State to beat them in 2023. Not a good look in recent years

That is putting it lightly and politely.

The player was Brandon Cyrus, if you were wondering. He started something like 55 of 63 games for DePaul before transferring to UCSB in 2018.

Cyrus was a solid player at DePaul. The 2016-17 Blue Demon team for which he played featured Max Strus (now in the NBA with the Cavs).

The Big East does not have a “Windy City situation” Because they are perfectly happy with DePaul being in the league. Quit making something out of nothing.

(04-15-2024 01:58 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  The Big East does not have a “Windy City situation” Because they are perfectly happy with DePaul being in the league. Quit making something out of nothing.

I'm sure the Big East is happy having DePaul as a member in general. But I doubt the league is pleased with the bad optics the Blue Demon men's basketball program offers. One could argue that indirectly reflects poorly on the conference.

(04-15-2024 02:21 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 01:58 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  The Big East does not have a “Windy City situation” Because they are perfectly happy with DePaul being in the league. Quit making something out of nothing.

I'm sure the Big East is happy having DePaul as a member in general. But I doubt the league is pleased with the bad optics the Blue Demon men's basketball program offers. One could argue that indirectly reflects poorly on the conference.

That's a fair statement, honestly. The Blue Demons are located in a pretty good recruiting area for men's hoops so they should be able to do better than their record over the past several years indicates. At the same time, however, all it takes is one smart hire for them to return to the NCAA tourney. Also, the Big East, like most collegiate sports leagues, aren't confined to just one sport. (I know there are exceptions, but I think those are few and far in between.) My point in bringing this up is since DePaul is a full member of the league, the school, I'm sure, is competitive in other sports, at least to some degree.

(04-15-2024 11:45 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 02:21 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 01:58 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  The Big East does not have a “Windy City situation” Because they are perfectly happy with DePaul being in the league. Quit making something out of nothing.

I'm sure the Big East is happy having DePaul as a member in general. But I doubt the league is pleased with the bad optics the Blue Demon men's basketball program offers. One could argue that indirectly reflects poorly on the conference.

That's a fair statement, honestly. The Blue Demons are located in a pretty good recruiting area for men's hoops so they should be able to do better than their record over the past several years indicates. At the same time, however, all it takes is one smart hire for them to return to the NCAA tourney. Also, the Big East, like most collegiate sports leagues, aren't confined to just one sport. (I know there are exceptions, but I think those are few and far in between.) My point in bringing this up is since DePaul is a full member of the league, the school, I'm sure, is competitive in other sports, at least to some degree.

DePaul women's hoops have been very competitive over the years. And I think the women's soccer program is solid (though I don't follow it).

To an extent, DePaul is to the Big East what Vanderbilt is to the SEC.

(04-16-2024 08:35 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 11:45 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 02:21 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 01:58 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  The Big East does not have a “Windy City situation” Because they are perfectly happy with DePaul being in the league. Quit making something out of nothing.

I'm sure the Big East is happy having DePaul as a member in general. But I doubt the league is pleased with the bad optics the Blue Demon men's basketball program offers. One could argue that indirectly reflects poorly on the conference.

That's a fair statement, honestly. The Blue Demons are located in a pretty good recruiting area for men's hoops so they should be able to do better than their record over the past several years indicates. At the same time, however, all it takes is one smart hire for them to return to the NCAA tourney. Also, the Big East, like most collegiate sports leagues, aren't confined to just one sport. (I know there are exceptions, but I think those are few and far in between.) My point in bringing this up is since DePaul is a full member of the league, the school, I'm sure, is competitive in other sports, at least to some degree.

DePaul women's hoops have been very competitive over the years. And I think the women's soccer program is solid (though I don't follow it).

To an extent, DePaul is to the Big East what Vanderbilt is to the SEC.

Except Vanderbilt are the smart kids

(04-16-2024 11:41 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 08:35 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 11:45 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 02:21 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 01:58 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  The Big East does not have a “Windy City situation” Because they are perfectly happy with DePaul being in the league. Quit making something out of nothing.

I'm sure the Big East is happy having DePaul as a member in general. But I doubt the league is pleased with the bad optics the Blue Demon men's basketball program offers. One could argue that indirectly reflects poorly on the conference.

That's a fair statement, honestly. The Blue Demons are located in a pretty good recruiting area for men's hoops so they should be able to do better than their record over the past several years indicates. At the same time, however, all it takes is one smart hire for them to return to the NCAA tourney. Also, the Big East, like most collegiate sports leagues, aren't confined to just one sport. (I know there are exceptions, but I think those are few and far in between.) My point in bringing this up is since DePaul is a full member of the league, the school, I'm sure, is competitive in other sports, at least to some degree.

DePaul women's hoops have been very competitive over the years. And I think the women's soccer program is solid (though I don't follow it).

To an extent, DePaul is to the Big East what Vanderbilt is to the SEC.

Except Vanderbilt are the smart kids

Another key difference: Vanderbilt offers a sport (baseball) for which it is nationally relevant. DePaul does not.