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RE: The Dude describes potential ACC/FSU/Clemson/ESPN deal
(04-15-2024 11:12 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
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(04-15-2024 10:57 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 10:51 AM)JRsec Wrote:  ....
Most message board arguments exist because the presuppose reasonable minds and responsible administration aren't involved and bar napkin math is all that matters.

Bar napkins are good for this. It leaves the back of your coaster free for drawing up imaginary conference divisions.

Why write on the back of your coaster? It's the only part which keeps your drink from sliding around on the bar. The surface is almost always an ad and is usually slick. Kind of like some of your posts.

Holy smokes. Some people really put their drink down...! 03-rotfl

Yep! Most do when having a serious business discussion. And they don't put up with smart assed service.

The Board has officially entered the doldrums of the slow information season. When that happens we allow for more speculative discussion but get tighter on the snark since it always elevates in relation to the decline of substantive material to discuss. And so it will be.
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RE: The Dude describes potential ACC/FSU/Clemson/ESPN deal
(04-15-2024 11:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 11:12 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 11:00 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 10:57 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 10:51 AM)JRsec Wrote:  ....
Most message board arguments exist because the presuppose reasonable minds and responsible administration aren't involved and bar napkin math is all that matters.

Bar napkins are good for this. It leaves the back of your coaster free for drawing up imaginary conference divisions.

Why write on the back of your coaster? It's the only part which keeps your drink from sliding around on the bar. The surface is almost always an ad and is usually slick. Kind of like some of your posts.

Holy smokes. Some people really put their drink down...! 03-rotfl

Yep! And they don't put up with smart assed service.

It's just banter, JR. Having fun with the nature of online sports chatter. All these possibilities we throw out... It really is like making bar bets.

I seem to have caught you at an irritable moment. Here's hoping you feel better soon.

Consider a beer offered. 04-cheers
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RE: The Dude describes potential ACC/FSU/Clemson/ESPN deal
(04-14-2024 07:54 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 06:03 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 02:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 02:05 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 01:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Nah! The only thing holding the ACC together with any leverage at this point is Notre Dame likes the arrangement, Cal and Stanford have some appeal for Duke and Virginia, and UNC is faces a quandary. Stick around with decades old pals, or bug out for the dough. They'll stick around.

ESPN is the one who faces the loss of millions if FSU heads North. ESPN owns something like 97% of the rights to college football and sports in a state of 22 million and doesn't have to pay any conference a dominant share pass along because of how that product is spread out. ESPN is the one who can't afford the slow play. They have a looming CFP they want to focus upon, the hope for a share of a new hoops tournament which will monetize the ACC more fully, and it is to their benefit to settle FSU mostly and Clemson if need be to move this puppy along.

Personally, I would rather pair FSU with Kansas and leave Clemson in the ACC where there shot at making the CFP will be better, but what the heck if they come to the SEC with FSU that's fine too.

And at this stage in the development of things Phillips isn't a big factor. What UNC wants and what ESPN wants are the bigger deal.

Fortunately your opinion isn't shared by many.

What's holding the ACC together is Truth, Justice and the American Way.
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Give up X, the deck is stacked against you, and your hero can't find a place to change. It just is what it is. But given this started with a quote for a radio serial it is only reflective of how antiquated and stuck in the past you remain.

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RE: The Dude describes potential ACC/FSU/Clemson/ESPN deal
(04-15-2024 11:24 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 11:15 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 11:12 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 11:00 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 10:57 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  Bar napkins are good for this. It leaves the back of your coaster free for drawing up imaginary conference divisions.

Why write on the back of your coaster? It's the only part which keeps your drink from sliding around on the bar. The surface is almost always an ad and is usually slick. Kind of like some of your posts.

Holy smokes. Some people really put their drink down...! 03-rotfl

Yep! And they don't put up with smart assed service.

It's just banter, JR. Having fun with the nature of online sports chatter. All these possibilities we throw out... It really is like making bar bets.

I seem to have caught you at an irritable moment. Here's hoping you feel better soon.

Consider a beer offered. 04-cheers

Hmm? And I'm not even irritable, yet. Lack of news and low volume of traffic always = more issues. And we are just getting started. Gee, this is the most popular thread right now, therefore the most read, so a well-placed shot across the bow is a better reminder than pinning something which won't get viewed. I'll take Effective Reminders for $500 please, Alex. Nothing personal, just a good segway to grab some attention.
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RE: The Dude describes potential ACC/FSU/Clemson/ESPN deal
(04-14-2024 01:06 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 07:06 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  
(04-13-2024 11:51 AM)TerryD Wrote:  There are only two possible goals in a lawsuit as a plaintiff (ACC in the NC case):

1) Win the thing at trial, or

2) Push the litigation hard enough, long enough to extract as high of a settlement amount as you can.

Those who think that the ACC should roll over, settle early and for one of FSU's initial (low) offers are smokin' peyote.

That is not how litigation works. Its a war, fought in a courtroom. You have to bend the other side towards your number, and away from his.

The ACC is under no obligation to let FSU out early and for less than the ACC can extract.

FSU is the party in a hurry, not the ACC. That is one of its weaknesses in this deal. The ACC can try to exploit that angle (FSU wants out now) by taking it slow.

I disagree.

There's the court of public opinion. And in the entertainment industry (which is what we're talking about here), that's a big deal.

The values for these products very much relies on subjective value out there in public opinion.

For example, all those people who look at ND's current on-the-field performance as the primary statement of ND's "value" are really missing the boat on ND's value to a media partner.

Or for another, the PAC didn't die because of their value, they went down because of perceived value, and they over-played their hand repeatedly.

I don't think the ACC will follow that path - but they potentially could ineptly do so.

So my point is: don't.

Settle this as soon as possible while still trying to maximize results. The longer this goes on, the more comparisons to the PAC we're going to see, and that just is simply not favorable to the ACC.

As modern P5 realignment has been driven by media rights agreements, I'd say that you're exactly wrong. This has nothing to do with the value that other schools perceive and has everything to do with exact numbers of eyeballs that tune into your games, information that is readily available to all. We can go research every game for every team ourselves, or, if we're feeling lazy, we can get the Conference game only data for 2013-2021 from sic'em. I'm guessing that media companies contemplating paying Billion$ over a period of years also look at said data, and it informs their decisions on the value of each school (and each prospective school) in a conference. It's hardly a reach to say that these media companies put FAR more stock in these cold, hard numbers then they do in Flagship/AAU/enrollment/endowment/bragging rights/etc etc that so many of us seem to put so much stock in.

The one fly in the ointment is Deion. His numbers last year were insane. However, even with the Deion phenomenon, the primary driver of his interest to the media companies is 1. Will he stay at CU, and 2. If he does, will his teams continue to put up insane viewership numbers. Perhaps that's the biggest wildcard of them all. If CU keeps putting up 50m eyeballs a year and CU inks Deion to a 10 yr/ $100m contract, then CU is the 4th for UNC and everyone else, including Miami, is left in the lurch. If CU loses their first 3 games for the next couple years and they never recapture that magic from last year, then the focus is squarely back on an ACC school again as the 4th and perhaps the pace picks up again for UNC.

bolded - If you're correct, then nobody leaves the PAC after the Big12 finalized their deal.

Appearance matters.

As for the value of wins, I typically like to point to a hundred years of Cubs or Red Sox games.

Value in these media deals is eyeballs. Wins only add value, if they add more eyeballs.
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(04-15-2024 09:58 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC would come out with slightly less, as its CFP per-school payout would decline slightly (would get gross increase but since FSU/C/NC were slated to make IIRC about $8m less in CFP payouts, the SEC would get $24m less from CFP than planned), or a loss of about $1.5m per school per year. But IMO that's not much and the benefit is having these schools in the SEC.

No?

So Alabama is going to get less money and lose out on rivalries like LSU, Ole Miss, and/or Tennessee? I don't really think that's a winning proposition.

To me, the loss of about $1.5m a year in CFP money is trivial and is offset by the gains in strength the SEC achieves by adding these three major brands, if for no other reason than the B1G won't get them. Money might even go up due to penetration of the NC market.

And I am not sure Alabama would have to give up those rivalries. Maybe one of them? Though I admit scheduling would be another issue.
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RE: The Dude describes potential ACC/FSU/Clemson/ESPN deal
(04-15-2024 02:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 09:58 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC would come out with slightly less, as its CFP per-school payout would decline slightly (would get gross increase but since FSU/C/NC were slated to make IIRC about $8m less in CFP payouts, the SEC would get $24m less from CFP than planned), or a loss of about $1.5m per school per year. But IMO that's not much and the benefit is having these schools in the SEC.

No?

So Alabama is going to get less money and lose out on rivalries like LSU, Ole Miss, and/or Tennessee? I don't really think that's a winning proposition.

To me, the loss of about $1.5m a year in CFP money is trivial and is offset by the gains in strength the SEC achieves by adding these three major brands, if for no other reason than the B1G won't get them. Money might even go up due to penetration of the NC market.

And I am not sure Alabama would have to give up those rivalries. Maybe one of them? Though I admit scheduling would be another issue.

Certainly, as you noted, scheduling will be an issue among existing SEC schools. With FSU and Clemson, scheduling should not be insurmountable additions to synthesize. The North Carolina schools don’t play SEC schools regularly with the exception of South Carolina who will schedule UNC or NCSU periodically, but not each year. However, with Clemson and FSU added, that would be two opponents that would fit into the same cluster for scheduling. South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Florida, and maybe Vanderbilt, and Georgia could be a part of a pod arrangement. Yeah, there would be trade offs, rotation schemes, etc.
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RE: The Dude describes potential ACC/FSU/Clemson/ESPN deal
(04-15-2024 02:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 09:58 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC would come out with slightly less, as its CFP per-school payout would decline slightly (would get gross increase but since FSU/C/NC were slated to make IIRC about $8m less in CFP payouts, the SEC would get $24m less from CFP than planned), or a loss of about $1.5m per school per year. But IMO that's not much and the benefit is having these schools in the SEC.

No?

So Alabama is going to get less money and lose out on rivalries like LSU, Ole Miss, and/or Tennessee? I don't really think that's a winning proposition.

To me, the loss of about $1.5m a year in CFP money is trivial and is offset by the gains in strength the SEC achieves by adding these three major brands, if for no other reason than the B1G won't get them. Money might even go up due to penetration of the NC market.

And I am not sure Alabama would have to give up those rivalries. Maybe one of them? Though I admit scheduling would be another issue.

Again I ask, why would the SEC invite these headaches? It's one thing if there are tens of millions of dollars at stake -- that's why OUT made sense. But for a break-even proposition financially, the SEC doesn't need to bother.

"BUT THE BIG TEN MAY COME TO TOWN!!!" So what? Iowa and Washington aren't going to flip a Pensacola kid away from UGA because they play in Tallahassee once every four years. This defensive posturing from the SEC is a total nonstarter that only exists in this echo chamber.

Again I'll point to the former Big East schools that are now in the ACC. Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Louisville all used to be in the conversation when talking about college athletics. Now they are all punch lines. Meanwhile, the ACC has gone from being in the conversation about being the best football conference in the nation to being an afterthought.
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(04-15-2024 04:50 PM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 02:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 09:58 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC would come out with slightly less, as its CFP per-school payout would decline slightly (would get gross increase but since FSU/C/NC were slated to make IIRC about $8m less in CFP payouts, the SEC would get $24m less from CFP than planned), or a loss of about $1.5m per school per year. But IMO that's not much and the benefit is having these schools in the SEC.

No?

So Alabama is going to get less money and lose out on rivalries like LSU, Ole Miss, and/or Tennessee? I don't really think that's a winning proposition.

To me, the loss of about $1.5m a year in CFP money is trivial and is offset by the gains in strength the SEC achieves by adding these three major brands, if for no other reason than the B1G won't get them. Money might even go up due to penetration of the NC market.

And I am not sure Alabama would have to give up those rivalries. Maybe one of them? Though I admit scheduling would be another issue.

Again I ask, why would the SEC invite these headaches? It's one thing if there are tens of millions of dollars at stake -- that's why OUT made sense. But for a break-even proposition financially, the SEC doesn't need to bother.

"BUT THE BIG TEN MAY COME TO TOWN!!!" So what? Iowa and Washington aren't going to flip a Pensacola kid away from UGA because they play in Tallahassee once every four years. This defensive posturing from the SEC is a total nonstarter that only exists in this echo chamber.

Again I'll point to the former Big East schools that are now in the ACC. Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Louisville all used to be in the conversation when talking about college athletics. Now they are all punch lines. Meanwhile, the ACC has gone from being in the conversation about being the best football conference in the nation to being an afterthought.

I think CL, FSU and NC will result in more money - when the next media deal comes up. I mean, IIRC, the SEC didn't get any more media money for adding TX and OU, just pro-rata.

What they did get though was two blue-blood brands that solidified them as the top conference, and which won them a higher share of the CFP money. These three will IMO add similar, albeit lesser, benefits in the future.

Plus, adding them would prevent the B1G from adding major brands in the deep south SEC territory. I admit this is a secondary issue that isn't really that important (for many years the SEC has shared states with ACC schools, and yet has thrived and become dominant anyway), but there is IMO some value in that.
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(04-15-2024 04:50 PM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 02:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 09:58 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC would come out with slightly less, as its CFP per-school payout would decline slightly (would get gross increase but since FSU/C/NC were slated to make IIRC about $8m less in CFP payouts, the SEC would get $24m less from CFP than planned), or a loss of about $1.5m per school per year. But IMO that's not much and the benefit is having these schools in the SEC.

No?

So Alabama is going to get less money and lose out on rivalries like LSU, Ole Miss, and/or Tennessee? I don't really think that's a winning proposition.

To me, the loss of about $1.5m a year in CFP money is trivial and is offset by the gains in strength the SEC achieves by adding these three major brands, if for no other reason than the B1G won't get them. Money might even go up due to penetration of the NC market.

And I am not sure Alabama would have to give up those rivalries. Maybe one of them? Though I admit scheduling would be another issue.

Again I ask, why would the SEC invite these headaches? It's one thing if there are tens of millions of dollars at stake -- that's why OUT made sense. But for a break-even proposition financially, the SEC doesn't need to bother.

"BUT THE BIG TEN MAY COME TO TOWN!!!" So what? Iowa and Washington aren't going to flip a Pensacola kid away from UGA because they play in Tallahassee once every four years. This defensive posturing from the SEC is a total nonstarter that only exists in this echo chamber.

Again I'll point to the former Big East schools that are now in the ACC. Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Louisville all used to be in the conversation when talking about college athletics. Now they are all punch lines. Meanwhile, the ACC has gone from being in the conversation about being the best football conference in the nation to being an afterthought.

FSU and Clemson involve dominating the CFP and championships. FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame and Miami are the only schools outside the P2 to win a title in the last 30 years. And only 3 years didn't have a P2 or those 4 going all the way back to 1960, Pitt in 76, BYU in 84 and CU/GT in 90.
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RE: The Dude describes potential ACC/FSU/Clemson/ESPN deal
(04-15-2024 04:50 PM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 02:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 09:58 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC would come out with slightly less, as its CFP per-school payout would decline slightly (would get gross increase but since FSU/C/NC were slated to make IIRC about $8m less in CFP payouts, the SEC would get $24m less from CFP than planned), or a loss of about $1.5m per school per year. But IMO that's not much and the benefit is having these schools in the SEC.

No?

So Alabama is going to get less money and lose out on rivalries like LSU, Ole Miss, and/or Tennessee? I don't really think that's a winning proposition.

To me, the loss of about $1.5m a year in CFP money is trivial and is offset by the gains in strength the SEC achieves by adding these three major brands, if for no other reason than the B1G won't get them. Money might even go up due to penetration of the NC market.

And I am not sure Alabama would have to give up those rivalries. Maybe one of them? Though I admit scheduling would be another issue.

Again I ask, why would the SEC invite these headaches? It's one thing if there are tens of millions of dollars at stake -- that's why OUT made sense. But for a break-even proposition financially, the SEC doesn't need to bother.

"BUT THE BIG TEN MAY COME TO TOWN!!!" So what? Iowa and Washington aren't going to flip a Pensacola kid away from UGA because they play in Tallahassee once every four years. This defensive posturing from the SEC is a total nonstarter that only exists in this echo chamber.

Again I'll point to the former Big East schools that are now in the ACC. Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Louisville all used to be in the conversation when talking about college athletics. Now they are all punch lines. Meanwhile, the ACC has gone from being in the conversation about being the best football conference in the nation to being an afterthought.

If the SEC picks up the rest of the SE, we effectively control the best parts as far as talent and demographic changes over the last several years have shown. Not to mention all of the lawsuits. That goes far beyond ball games and tens of millions of dollars.
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(04-15-2024 06:46 PM)Porcine Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 04:50 PM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 02:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 09:58 AM)OneSockUp Wrote:  
(04-15-2024 07:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The SEC would come out with slightly less, as its CFP per-school payout would decline slightly (would get gross increase but since FSU/C/NC were slated to make IIRC about $8m less in CFP payouts, the SEC would get $24m less from CFP than planned), or a loss of about $1.5m per school per year. But IMO that's not much and the benefit is having these schools in the SEC.

No?

So Alabama is going to get less money and lose out on rivalries like LSU, Ole Miss, and/or Tennessee? I don't really think that's a winning proposition.

To me, the loss of about $1.5m a year in CFP money is trivial and is offset by the gains in strength the SEC achieves by adding these three major brands, if for no other reason than the B1G won't get them. Money might even go up due to penetration of the NC market.

And I am not sure Alabama would have to give up those rivalries. Maybe one of them? Though I admit scheduling would be another issue.

Again I ask, why would the SEC invite these headaches? It's one thing if there are tens of millions of dollars at stake -- that's why OUT made sense. But for a break-even proposition financially, the SEC doesn't need to bother.

"BUT THE BIG TEN MAY COME TO TOWN!!!" So what? Iowa and Washington aren't going to flip a Pensacola kid away from UGA because they play in Tallahassee once every four years. This defensive posturing from the SEC is a total nonstarter that only exists in this echo chamber.

Again I'll point to the former Big East schools that are now in the ACC. Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College and Louisville all used to be in the conversation when talking about college athletics. Now they are all punch lines. Meanwhile, the ACC has gone from being in the conversation about being the best football conference in the nation to being an afterthought.

If the SEC picks up the rest of the SE, we effectively control the best parts as far as talent and demographic changes over the last several years have shown. Not to mention all of the lawsuits. That goes far beyond ball games and tens of millions of dollars.

People miss the whole point of what really drives the revenue.

#1 Absolute control over the markets brings the premium advertising rate for each state. Right now the SEC doesn't have a dominant control in Florida. With Florida State it holds a super majority of college sports viewers in Florida. The advertising rates go up in the pass along from ESPN. In 1991 ESPN was thinking of acquiring the ACC and needed Florida to anchor their value in that state. The SEC made the mistake of gong to ESPN for a valuation on FSU. Due to that move the ACC knew when we would offer FSU and how much. Their people literally arrived in Tallahassee a day before the SEC delegation and offered 2 million more.

In 2011 ESPN had a clause demanding 2 new markets for the SEC before a renegotiation could take place inserted in our new contract signed a few years before. They were outthinking the SEC because that clause negated the desire by South Carolina and Florida to add their in state rivals Why was ESPN doing this? Because through the ACC and SEC they controlled virtually all of the Florida market and didn't have to pass along any perks for the % of the market the SEC and ACC held.

If there is no ACC in the future then ESPN will want Miami and F.S.U., and possibly USF in the SEC or Big 12 where they have slightly over 50% of the total rights.

Why would the SEC be interested in Virginia and Virginia Tech and in North Carolina and North Carolina State? Possibly even Duke? Because those two states represent 20 million people and very nice advertising perks to the ACC which ESPN didn't get to keep to themselves. But they sure as hell tried in 2011 when they wanted N.C. State and Virginia Tech in the SEC and Texas and Notre Dame and Oklahoma, in the ACC with possibly Kansas.

If they had pulled that off neither the SEC nor that ACC would have controlled the leverage in any large states and would have split them all.

With no ACC ESPN would want all of those in the SEC. So who would be the 8? At least 4 possibly 5 of the Virginia and North Carolina schools, Miami and Florida State, and Clemson. What hurts Georgia Tech is the supermajority of Georgia is covered with just the University of Georgia. The SEC dominates all of its state markets now except Florida and South Carolina. With this move the entire Southeast and Southwest would be in their absolute control, especially if Kansas is added.

This is why the Big 10 wants into the region. They are behind now in total valuation and in quality of teams and recruiting. If ESPN/SEC/ACC pull the Magnificent 7 plus Kansas they will have created "THE" Super Conference with a dominance in their lineup of Championships in Football, Baseball, Softball, and Women's Basketball and Men's basketball would be quite formidable with all 4 of the winningest programs in their line up.

So outside of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC and Nebraska it accounts for nearly all of the national champions of the past 60 years with B.Y.U., Georgia Tech, Pitt and Colorado being the difference.

#2 The SEC outearned the mighty Big 10 by 6 million per school for the last reporting year of 2022-23 and did so while the Big 10 was under their new contract and the SEC labored under the next to last year of the woeful CBS contract. How in the hell did the SEC pull that off? The SEC averaged way more in attendance than the Big 10 in spite of their attendance leaders. The SEC also charges more for tickets and collects more in donations for ticket priorities and especially away ticket priorities which drive contributions at a lot of schools. And the SEC travels quite well, ask the Irish how the Dawg fans showed up in South Bend.

Media revenue is just one of many lines which determine total revenue. The SEC excels in them all because the games are....drum roll for the slow...they love playing each other in neighboring states and don't give a hoot about playing a great distance from home. Hence it just means more, including more revenue. This was part of the appeal for Texas and Oklahoma. It will be part of the appeal for Kansas should they come our way.

The Big 10 and FOX are touting going national and ballyhooing the NFL model, but the SEC is clearly #1 in revenue and will likely in just a couple of years to be so in media revenue as well. How much so? Well the Big 10 outearned the SEC in media revenue by about 10 million in 2022-23, but the SEC finished 6 million ahead from all other sources. Regionality and dominance of the markets in the region is a formula that FOX and the Big 10 can't overcome, only disrupt.
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