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RE: Fluguar on PAC2 Rebuild Pecking Order
(04-17-2024 10:58 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:27 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I feel like New Mexico is being undervalued in this alignment. They have a good history with the Colorado schools and provide decent basketball cachet and are a state flagship. They are in the middle of the footprint if the PAC is considering eastern outposts with Memphis.

West:
OrSt, WSU, BSU, FSU, SDSU, UNLV

East:
AFA, CSU, NM, UTSA, UNT (or Rice), Memphis, Tulane

There is almost no way Memphis jumps to that conference as it is configured here.

Do you think Memphis would prefer the current setup in the AAC over a MWC/PAC hybrid?

I would think the current AAC isn't attractive to the Tigers. But maybe their fans value games against ECU, USF, and UAB more than I'm giving them credit for?
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RE: Fluguar on PAC2 Rebuild Pecking Order
(04-17-2024 12:26 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:58 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:27 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I feel like New Mexico is being undervalued in this alignment. They have a good history with the Colorado schools and provide decent basketball cachet and are a state flagship. They are in the middle of the footprint if the PAC is considering eastern outposts with Memphis.

West:
OrSt, WSU, BSU, FSU, SDSU, UNLV

East:
AFA, CSU, NM, UTSA, UNT (or Rice), Memphis, Tulane

There is almost no way Memphis jumps to that conference as it is configured here.

Do you think Memphis would prefer the current setup in the AAC over a MWC/PAC hybrid?

I would think the current AAC isn't attractive to the Tigers. But maybe their fans value games against ECU, USF, and UAB more than I'm giving them credit for?

I think the converse is true. People think games against WSU/OSU/SDSU/UNLV etc. are more attractive than they are for teams in the central time zone.
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I think it makes far more sense to hang on to their war chest than to add half the MWC and then turn over the lion’s share of that war chest to the remaining MWC schools left behind. “Merging” with the full MWC makes much more sense.

With this caveat, as part of the deal, Oregon St and Washington St are both permitted to leave the merged league at no cost provided they provide 1 year notice.
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RE: Fluguar on PAC2 Rebuild Pecking Order
(04-17-2024 12:26 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:58 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:27 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I feel like New Mexico is being undervalued in this alignment. They have a good history with the Colorado schools and provide decent basketball cachet and are a state flagship. They are in the middle of the footprint if the PAC is considering eastern outposts with Memphis.

West:
OrSt, WSU, BSU, FSU, SDSU, UNLV

East:
AFA, CSU, NM, UTSA, UNT (or Rice), Memphis, Tulane

There is almost no way Memphis jumps to that conference as it is configured here.

Do you think Memphis would prefer the current setup in the AAC over a MWC/PAC hybrid?

I would think the current AAC isn't attractive to the Tigers. But maybe their fans value games against ECU, USF, and UAB more than I'm giving them credit for?

The most attractive element of the MWC/Pac hybrid is that its creation could be the beginning of the eventual constructing of a true and national "best of the rest" league. And if such a conference materializes over time, I want Memphis as a part of it.
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(04-17-2024 12:31 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 12:26 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:58 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:27 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I feel like New Mexico is being undervalued in this alignment. They have a good history with the Colorado schools and provide decent basketball cachet and are a state flagship. They are in the middle of the footprint if the PAC is considering eastern outposts with Memphis.

West:
OrSt, WSU, BSU, FSU, SDSU, UNLV

East:
AFA, CSU, NM, UTSA, UNT (or Rice), Memphis, Tulane

There is almost no way Memphis jumps to that conference as it is configured here.

Do you think Memphis would prefer the current setup in the AAC over a MWC/PAC hybrid?

I would think the current AAC isn't attractive to the Tigers. But maybe their fans value games against ECU, USF, and UAB more than I'm giving them credit for?

I think the converse is true. People think games against WSU/OSU/SDSU/UNLV etc. are more attractive than they are for teams in the central time zone.

This is the correct answer. Who cares who we are playing if we are playing them when all of our fans are asleep.

Its the same reason why the Grizzlies are pushing like crazy to get out of the Western Conference when the NBA expands. Those western road trips end up with games ending after midnight Memphis time.
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(04-17-2024 12:40 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 12:26 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:58 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:27 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I feel like New Mexico is being undervalued in this alignment. They have a good history with the Colorado schools and provide decent basketball cachet and are a state flagship. They are in the middle of the footprint if the PAC is considering eastern outposts with Memphis.

West:
OrSt, WSU, BSU, FSU, SDSU, UNLV

East:
AFA, CSU, NM, UTSA, UNT (or Rice), Memphis, Tulane

There is almost no way Memphis jumps to that conference as it is configured here.

Do you think Memphis would prefer the current setup in the AAC over a MWC/PAC hybrid?

I would think the current AAC isn't attractive to the Tigers. But maybe their fans value games against ECU, USF, and UAB more than I'm giving them credit for?

The most attractive element of the MWC/Pac hybrid is that its creation could be the beginning of the eventual constructing of a true and national "best of the rest" league. And if such a conference materializes over time, I want Memphis as a part of it.

Honestly, it depends on the money.
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(04-17-2024 10:27 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I feel like New Mexico is being undervalued in this alignment. They have a good history with the Colorado schools and provide decent basketball cachet and are a state flagship. They are in the middle of the footprint if the PAC is considering eastern outposts with Memphis.

West:
OrSt, WSU, BSU, FSU, SDSU, UNLV

East:
AFA, CSU, NM, UTSA, UNT (or Rice), Memphis, Tulane

New Mexico has never been good in football which is why they are not mentioned as much as the other 6. Travel isn't bad like it is for Wyoming and USU. They do make more sense geographically if you add some of the AAC teams you mention.
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(04-17-2024 12:40 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 12:26 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:58 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:27 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I feel like New Mexico is being undervalued in this alignment. They have a good history with the Colorado schools and provide decent basketball cachet and are a state flagship. They are in the middle of the footprint if the PAC is considering eastern outposts with Memphis.

West:
OrSt, WSU, BSU, FSU, SDSU, UNLV

East:
AFA, CSU, NM, UTSA, UNT (or Rice), Memphis, Tulane

There is almost no way Memphis jumps to that conference as it is configured here.

Do you think Memphis would prefer the current setup in the AAC over a MWC/PAC hybrid?

I would think the current AAC isn't attractive to the Tigers. But maybe their fans value games against ECU, USF, and UAB more than I'm giving them credit for?

The most attractive element of the MWC/Pac hybrid is that its creation could be the beginning of the eventual constructing of a true and national "best of the rest" league. And if such a conference materializes over time, I want Memphis as a part of it.


From the point of view of SDSU, it is addition by subtraction and the nice thing about an 8 team conference is that you will play each team with a full schedule in FB and BB. That does help build rivalries. People don't understand the travel and destination issues in the MWC. Six of the top ten highest elevation FBS schools are in the Mw. In a new PAC with the 6 Mw schools added there would still be two schools at significant altitude, AFA @ 6,600' and CSU @ 5,000' but I would hope we could add AFA FB only and pair them with Gonzaga. Hawaii/Gonzaga would also work if AFA decides the AAC might be a better fit.
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(04-17-2024 12:07 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 11:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A far-flung BOR P-X is a non-starter unless there’s some TV network crazy enough to pay a significant premium for the broadcast rights to that Frankenstein over and above whatever amount of TV money a P-14 with all of the MWC members is likely to make.

I don’t see it.

I agree, and from an unbiased viewpoint as well. Just sad where we are at. The PAC2 got screwed and are willing to blow their divorce settlement on a bunch of slightly higher branding G5 schools. They actually think they are going to get ahead in the long run. I'd at least use that money to try to buy into the ACC or Big 12, but they want to go this route... hope the networks laugh at them.

I'm pretty sure both have already tried that... It would have been malpractice if they hadn't. When the 4C were added, it would have made sense that they offered up the money to the B12 to be the 17th and 18th member. Then Calford paid their way into the ACC... If both those 2 PAC schools were in talks with the ACC, OSU/WSU were as well in a similar deal, and it would have made sense to add them to brace for the likely four to six defections in the future. Neither conference wants them at this point. Down the road? It's possible.

They need to talk to the best of the G5 while they wait out the next two years to form the best conference possible. A full merger with the MWC does not do it. If they could pull the top of the MWC and AAC, they should be able to get a better contract in the future than if they joined the MWC or AAC. Of course they want to join a P4 conference, but the desire has to be both ways. They can only position themselves for the best position possible to make the most money.
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I just don't see it. Oregon St. and Washington St. would be nice fits in the Big XII based on profile I guess but it doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. The MWC seems like their best option outside of joining the WCC full time and going Indy in FB.
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(04-17-2024 12:39 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I think it makes far more sense to hang on to their war chest than to add half the MWC and then turn over the lion’s share of that war chest to the remaining MWC schools left behind. “Merging” with the full MWC makes much more sense.

With this caveat, as part of the deal, Oregon St and Washington St are both permitted to leave the merged league at no cost provided they provide 1 year notice.

If OSU/WSU were to keep the money, the only reasons for a merger would be for the MWC to change their branding to the PAC or if they wanted to keep the MWC brand but claim PAC history for themselves. If OSU/WSU were to merge, I do not see why any of the schools would be okay with OSU/WSU leaving at no cost, especially after the schools saw what having no exit fees did to the PAC. That's a "Fool me once, shame on you" situation that none of those schools would want to repeat.

I do agree that OSU will hold on to the war chest but with the intent of buying into the P4 eventually. OSU/WSU have the power in any G5 realignment scenario because they hold the brand and history of the PAC. A "best of the rest" conference will be (a fleeting but) the best scenario to try to hold on to some CFB Playoff power.
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(04-17-2024 11:47 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Wasn't there a Yappy or GK white board on the valuations of the MWC schools?

The Pac-12 never purchased a white board because Corporal Klinkoff never decided whether or not he was going shopping
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(04-17-2024 01:24 PM)Mean Green Alum Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 12:07 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 11:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A far-flung BOR P-X is a non-starter unless there’s some TV network crazy enough to pay a significant premium for the broadcast rights to that Frankenstein over and above whatever amount of TV money a P-14 with all of the MWC members is likely to make.

I don’t see it.

I agree, and from an unbiased viewpoint as well. Just sad where we are at. The PAC2 got screwed and are willing to blow their divorce settlement on a bunch of slightly higher branding G5 schools. They actually think they are going to get ahead in the long run. I'd at least use that money to try to buy into the ACC or Big 12, but they want to go this route... hope the networks laugh at them.

I'm pretty sure both have already tried that... It would have been malpractice if they hadn't. When the 4C were added, it would have made sense that they offered up the money to the B12 to be the 17th and 18th member. Then Calford paid their way into the ACC... If both those 2 PAC schools were in talks with the ACC, OSU/WSU were as well in a similar deal, and it would have made sense to add them to brace for the likely four to six defections in the future. Neither conference wants them at this point. Down the road? It's possible.

They need to talk to the best of the G5 while they wait out the next two years to form the best conference possible. A full merger with the MWC does not do it. If they could pull the top of the MWC and AAC, they should be able to get a better contract in the future than if they joined the MWC or AAC. Of course they want to join a P4 conference, but the desire has to be both ways. They can only position themselves for the best position possible to make the most money.

Better maybe, but how much better? I have yet to see a scrap of evidence that the lift would be significant.

What we do know is that the current MWC TV deal that runs through 2025-26 pays out $4 million per school per year, and the current AAC TV deal that runs through 2033-34 pays out $6 million per school per year (although due to uneven revenue sharing the legacy AAC members are getting closer to $8 million each). Looking at those at baselines, a Pac-14 with all of the MWC members might land a raise to $8 million per school per year starting in 2026, whereas a Pac-sponsored BOR conference might get a deal for as much as $10 million per school per year starting in 2026. So assuming a six-year contract period, jumping to the BOR conference could be worth an extra $12 million.

Would that amount of money, plus the "prestige" of being associated with the tallest group of midgets, be enough to induce the MWC schools targeted for BOR conference membership to pay $17 million in MWC exit fees each, and OSU and WSU to pony up nearly $70 million in penalty fees to the MWC? And all of them to incur the additional travel cost and hassle of sending their non-football teams on lengthy road trips spanning three or possibly even four time zones?

As I said before... I just don't see it.
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(04-17-2024 06:57 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  



Thought it was an interesting piece as we prep for the summer doldrums shortly (picks up at 50 minute mark), but I'll save you the time.

In: SDSU, FSU, BSU, UNLV, AFA, CSU
Outside looking in: Utah State, UNM, Wyoming, Hawaii, SJSU, Nevada

Original MWC / New Pac 8
BYU / Wash St
Utah / Ore St
SDSU
UNLV
AF
Colo St
Wyoming / Boise St
New Mexico / Fresno St

If I had to guess, New Mexico and Wyoming make it a new Pac 10. The relationships are strong there.

Left behind from the WAC 16
TCU - now in Big 12
SMU - ACC
Rice
Tulsa
UTEP
San Jose
Hawaii
Fresno St

In the absence of UCLA, Cal, Stanford and USC, Fresno St has leapfrogged New Mexico and Wyoming in the pecking order since 1998.
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(04-17-2024 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Well, the MW has I believe done pretty much all it can to prevent selective poaching by the 2PAC.

But the problem is, there is a natural cleavage within the MW between the schools in the top tier and those below. If you are an SDST or Boise or Fresno, then you want to be poached by the 2PAC because that would be an upgrade, albeit still within the G-realm. Like a move from CUSA to the AAC.

So the way I see it, the "poison pill" put in place by the MW in their scheduling deal with the 2PAC was engineered by the "outside looking in" schools that the 2PAC are not likely to want, just as the ACC contesting FSU and Clemson lawsuits is being engineered by the low-value schools that have no other prospects. One way for the 2PAC to possibly overcome this is to invite a majority of the MW schools, but this may not be worth the money.

I also suspect that for this to work for the 2PAC, for the additional media money gained to be worth swallowing the MW poison pill, it will have to poach a few AAC schools as well. So those poachable AAC schools will IMO likely be poached.

But I am not at all sure that the 2PAC can engineer a rebuild. The MW has erected some pretty formidable defenses, though it seems like the history of these situations is that defenses tend to fail.

FWIW, as a USF fan I wouldn't mind if those four AAC schools left, save for Memphis. I never agreed with the "Go West!" expansion mantra, never have believed we belonged in Texas.

We'll see.

But it's not the same thing as moving from CUSA to the AAC, it's moving to Bill Walton's Conference of Champions. It doesn't matter that 83% of the schools are gone, they'll be joining an Autonomy Conference with an extremely strong Athletics History, one which will give every new school a hint of sophistication and charm. Most people couldn't tell you the difference between the MAC and the MWC, but a whole lot of casual sports fans know what the Pac 12 is, or at least what it used to be. The only question is how the nuPac will be built. Entire MWC? Best Brands from the MWC + some good ones from the AAC? The former would be cheaper, but the latter might be an option if there's enough interest from the AAC schools.
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Here is the actual best way forward for the PAC2/MW

1) Encourage AFA to join the other academies in the AAC
2) Merge the MW into the PAC creating a new 13 team conference(PAC2+MW-AFA)
3) Invite UTSA/MEMPHIS/Tulane to reach 16 and easily become the 5th best conf from a media standpoint. Maybe even go all the way and add ECU/USF for 18.
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(04-17-2024 12:46 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 12:40 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 12:26 PM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:58 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 10:27 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  I feel like New Mexico is being undervalued in this alignment. They have a good history with the Colorado schools and provide decent basketball cachet and are a state flagship. They are in the middle of the footprint if the PAC is considering eastern outposts with Memphis.

West:
OrSt, WSU, BSU, FSU, SDSU, UNLV

East:
AFA, CSU, NM, UTSA, UNT (or Rice), Memphis, Tulane

There is almost no way Memphis jumps to that conference as it is configured here.

Do you think Memphis would prefer the current setup in the AAC over a MWC/PAC hybrid?

I would think the current AAC isn't attractive to the Tigers. But maybe their fans value games against ECU, USF, and UAB more than I'm giving them credit for?

The most attractive element of the MWC/Pac hybrid is that its creation could be the beginning of the eventual constructing of a true and national "best of the rest" league. And if such a conference materializes over time, I want Memphis as a part of it.

Honestly, it depends on the money.

Definitely. And, how many members (eventually) located from Texas moving east.

A 14- to 16-member league that offers the "best of" the Pac/MWC and the "best of" the AAC (with maybe a few members of the Sun Belt) could be rather appealing to Memphis.

In the end, however, I don't see it happening.
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(04-17-2024 08:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Well, the MW has I believe done pretty much all it can to prevent selective poaching by the 2PAC.

But the problem is, there is a natural cleavage within the MW between the schools in the top tier and those below. If you are an SDST or Boise or Fresno, then you want to be poached by the 2PAC because that would be an upgrade, albeit still within the G-realm. Like a move from CUSA to the AAC.

So the way I see it, the "poison pill" put in place by the MW in their scheduling deal with the 2PAC was engineered by the "outside looking in" schools that the 2PAC are not likely to want, just as the ACC contesting FSU and Clemson lawsuits is being engineered by the low-value schools that have no other prospects. One way for the 2PAC to possibly overcome this is to invite a majority of the MW schools, but this may not be worth the money.

I also suspect that for this to work for the 2PAC, for the additional media money gained to be worth swallowing the MW poison pill, it will have to poach a few AAC schools as well. So those poachable AAC schools will IMO likely be poached.

But I am not at all sure that the 2PAC can engineer a rebuild. The MW has erected some pretty formidable defenses, though it seems like the history of these situations is that defenses tend to fail.

FWIW, as a USF fan I wouldn't mind if those four AAC schools left, save for Memphis. I never agreed with the "Go West!" expansion mantra, never have believed we belonged in Texas.

We'll see.

Astute. I also believe that (sans Memphis) the AAC might actually benefit from that move also.
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(04-17-2024 02:08 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 01:24 PM)Mean Green Alum Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 12:07 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 11:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A far-flung BOR P-X is a non-starter unless there’s some TV network crazy enough to pay a significant premium for the broadcast rights to that Frankenstein over and above whatever amount of TV money a P-14 with all of the MWC members is likely to make.

I don’t see it.

I agree, and from an unbiased viewpoint as well. Just sad where we are at. The PAC2 got screwed and are willing to blow their divorce settlement on a bunch of slightly higher branding G5 schools. They actually think they are going to get ahead in the long run. I'd at least use that money to try to buy into the ACC or Big 12, but they want to go this route... hope the networks laugh at them.

I'm pretty sure both have already tried that... It would have been malpractice if they hadn't. When the 4C were added, it would have made sense that they offered up the money to the B12 to be the 17th and 18th member. Then Calford paid their way into the ACC... If both those 2 PAC schools were in talks with the ACC, OSU/WSU were as well in a similar deal, and it would have made sense to add them to brace for the likely four to six defections in the future. Neither conference wants them at this point. Down the road? It's possible.

They need to talk to the best of the G5 while they wait out the next two years to form the best conference possible. A full merger with the MWC does not do it. If they could pull the top of the MWC and AAC, they should be able to get a better contract in the future than if they joined the MWC or AAC. Of course they want to join a P4 conference, but the desire has to be both ways. They can only position themselves for the best position possible to make the most money.

Better maybe, but how much better? I have yet to see a scrap of evidence that the lift would be significant.

What we do know is that the current MWC TV deal that runs through 2025-26 pays out $4 million per school per year, and the current AAC TV deal that runs through 2033-34 pays out $6 million per school per year (although due to uneven revenue sharing the legacy AAC members are getting closer to $8 million each). Looking at those at baselines, a Pac-14 with all of the MWC members might land a raise to $8 million per school per year starting in 2026, whereas a Pac-sponsored BOR conference might get a deal for as much as $10 million per school per year starting in 2026. So assuming a six-year contract period, jumping to the BOR conference could be worth an extra $12 million.

Would that amount of money, plus the "prestige" of being associated with the tallest group of midgets, be enough to induce the MWC schools targeted for BOR conference membership to pay $17 million in MWC exit fees each, and OSU and WSU to pony up nearly $70 million in penalty fees to the MWC? And all of them to incur the additional travel cost and hassle of sending their non-football teams on lengthy road trips spanning three or possibly even four time zones?

As I said before... I just don't see it.

The value will be better enough to move. I don't see the MWC getting $8m in the future. The media landscape has diminished since the MWC's last contract, and I only see a small bump, around $6m, which would be a normal raise, a la what the B12 received. And I regrettably do not see the defections of UCF/Cincy/Houston/SMU and the additions of UAB/FAU/UNCCHA/North Texas/UTSA/Rice as increasing the value of the conference. It only gave the conference lower valued members with more mouths to feed.

Honestly, I see a Pac/MWC merger as archaic. It could happen, but if it does, it will not hold for long because it defies the current trend in Conference Realignment: Build more time zones to create more value and scheduling options for networks. The value of 'the best of the rest" PAC makes sense:

The AAC contract was drafted before the new defections/additions and should be lower in the future. I could see the value nosedive in the next contract, both considering the defections and understanding the new deals with the B1G/SEC/B12 makes the desire for G5 less due to a higher P4 exposure amongst networks. The argument that the top schools in the conference would be okay with dying a slow death with the hope that the new additions will become the next UCF, Cincy, and Louisville by 2034 does not make sense in today's climate, especially with talks of a separation between the haves and have nots by as soon as 2030, four to five years before the current AAC contract expires. That's a lot to risk for little financial benefit.

The MWC schools' value should increase next contract, but they have the same issue as the Pac did: They are stuck in the Pacific/Mountain time zones with little maneuverability from a TV scheduling standpoint. Schools will also have a chance to defect around 2027 with less penalties, which increases the likelihood the schools will shop around to see where a 10-20 year outlook is best financially for their university to set themselves up for life after the NCAA litigations. The cost will still be great to move, but will be viewed as investment in the future. The networks have already shown their desire for an exclusive Mountain-Pacific conference, and it is not there.

Both conferences have universities that bring down the overall valuation, and a PAC arrangement trims the fat, increases exposure with a four time zone conference, and gives the networks flexible content to fill in scheduling needs. I could see the new Pac get at least $10m, if not more, if formed today, which would be more than what an MWC or AAC would get in today's market. The overall sports product would also be improved across football and basketball. All of that is enough to increase the potential valuation.

But there is no prestige in this move. It is better to be associated with the Pac, which has over a hundred years of history over conferences with less, but the Pac is a damaged brand after this round of realignment. There is an increase in perception with this move due to association with the new member institutions, most which have had success, that will help increase chances of playoff access for the new Pac schools in the new system. The money increase due to exposure will more than pay for lengthy road trips, which is a tired argument that has been proven untrue with B1G/B12/ACC additions, along with other additions from G5 conferences (an AAC that spans from Kansas to Florida, a CUSA from New Mexico to Florida to Delaware, and a MAC with UMass).

The future college football landscape is going to dramatically change due to rising NIL costs, potential super league talks, likely upcoming litigation costs, and the likely unionization of players. Schools will take a financial hit now to allow themselves to continue athletics at a high level in the future.
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(04-17-2024 11:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A far-flung BOR P-X is a non-starter unless there’s some TV network crazy enough to pay a significant premium for the broadcast rights to that Frankenstein over and above whatever amount of TV money a P-14 with all of the MWC members is likely to make.

I don’t see it.

1. Washington State
2. Oregon State
3. San Diego State
4. Fresno State
5. Boise State
6. UNLV
7. Colorado State
8. Air Force
9. Rice
10. UTSA
11. North Texas
12. Tulane

That's not abnormally "far-flung" in comparison to the current ACC (Massachusetts to California), Big Ten (New York to California), Conference USA (Delaware to New Mexico), or American (Pennsylvania to Texas), and TV networks pay for all of those. Even for the current Mountain West, Colorado and Hawaii are not close. Memphis would make the Pac geography a bit odd, but Hawaii does that now to the MWC.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that combining the most valued MWC schools with the most valued AAC schools would lead to a higher evaluation than either the entire top-to-bottom MWC as-is OR the entire top-to-bottom AAC as is.
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