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- Rebel - 06-18-2003 09:34 AM
...taken from another Message Board:
The Big Lie
[quote][b]By Sharon Nader Sloan
- nate jonesacc - 06-18-2003 11:38 AM
She is almost as ignorant as you are my man! :laugh:
To think that all Muslims want the destruction of Israel. I know many, many, many Palestinians... and not a single one wants Israel gone. They want FREEDOM.
- Rebel - 06-18-2003 11:41 AM
nate jonesacc Wrote:She is almost as ignorant as you are my man! :laugh:Yeah, she's ignorant and you are 16. :rolleyes:
To think that all Muslims want the destruction of Israel. I know many, many, many Palestinians... and not a single one wants Israel gone. They want FREEDOM.
- Schadenfreude - 06-18-2003 06:37 PM
Quote:then the British Empire ruled the land, then Israel returned to its homeland and built a modern Jewish state.
Falacy No. 1:
Homeland is terribly misleading because the Israeli state had been gone for nearly 20 centuries. Imagine if the Mayans were claiming the right to reestablished a state independent of Mexico and Guatemala (which may be a slight part of the dynamic in the Chiapas mess, but I'm not an expert on it).
Falacy No. 2: Left unstated is the plain fact that the state of Israel was never given possesion of Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and other lands now under dispute. A long series of United Nations resolutions makes this clear -- both before and after the war alluded to in the article.
Quote:Imagine if the Mexican-American community in California, whose numbers are greater than the number of Palestinians in the West Bank, decides tomorrow to claim that the United States is occupying their land, because they live there and they want their own Mexican state.
Falacy No. 3: As if the Palestinians just happened to start moving in. In reality, it is the Jews who began been moving in. The Palestinians were there all along.
Israel has a right to exist. But it is clearly occupying a whole lot of land that does not belong to Israel. This is plain.
- Rebel - 06-18-2003 06:39 PM
Schadenfreude Wrote:Falacy No. 1:The land was under British control....if they gave it up to form Israel...who's bitching? If Mexico was to give up the land the Mayans inhabited.....who's bitching?
Homeland is terribly misleading because the Israeli state had been gone for nearly 20 centuries. Imagine if the Mayans were claiming the right to reestablished a state independent of Mexico and Guatemala (which may be a slight part of the dynamic in the Chiapas mess, but I'm not an expert on it).
Methinks you need to reread the article.
- nate jonesacc - 06-18-2003 07:30 PM
RebelKev... great argument about age ... I thought you were about 12 until I found out you served in the military. :rolleyes:
- Rebel - 06-18-2003 08:00 PM
nate jonesacc Wrote:RebelKev... great argument about age ... I thought you were about 12 until I found out you served in the military. :rolleyes:Oh boy.....that's a good comeback.....and I do mean "Oh Boy.
- nate jonesacc - 06-18-2003 09:06 PM
Hmmm... for the sake of this bein a family board, I'll be blunt... but certain parts of me aren't so "boyish".
- Rebel - 06-18-2003 11:10 PM
nate jonesacc Wrote:... but certain parts of me aren't so "boyish"...the first sign of inadequacy. Gotta "Project" how big you are. ...little boy, get a clue.
- Schadenfreude - 06-19-2003 12:38 AM
Quote:The land was under British control....if they gave it up to form Israel...who's bitching?
They didn't give it *all* up. That's the whole point of these last 50 years.
<a href='http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/1947.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/s.../large/1947.htm</a>
Here is a map of the partition plan:
<a href='http://www.trumanlibrary.org/israel/unplan19.gif' target='_blank'>http://www.trumanlibrary.org/israel/unplan19.gif</a>
Compare that to the location of settlements.
There is your occupation.
- nate jonesacc - 06-19-2003 07:37 AM
RebelKev Wrote:I'm not projecting anything. Just stating some facts...nate jonesacc Wrote:... but certain parts of me aren't so "boyish"...the first sign of inadequacy. Gotta "Project" how big you are. ...little boy, get a clue.
- You are a moron.
- You think like a 12 year old.
- You obviously have no clue about the world around you.
- You're an ******.
- You're a blind patriot.
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come on guys.........
- bntkn - 06-19-2003 07:57 AM
hmmmmmmmm, well that seems fairly straight forward! cmon guys, tell us what you really think!! lol, ain't life grand? :laugh:
- Rebel - 06-19-2003 08:04 AM
nate jonesacc Wrote:Spoken like a true adolescent.RebelKev Wrote:I'm not projecting anything. Just stating some facts...nate jonesacc Wrote:... but certain parts of me aren't so "boyish"...the first sign of inadequacy. Gotta "Project" how big you are. ...little boy, get a clue.
- You are a moron.
- You think like a 12 year old.
- You obviously have no clue about the world around you.
- You're an ******.
- You're a blind patriot.
- My .
- nate jonesacc - 06-19-2003 08:16 AM
Now that was spoken like someone who routinely can't respond during a debate.
- Rebel - 06-19-2003 08:21 AM
nate jonesacc Wrote:I'm not projecting anything. Just stating some facts...This is debating? You need to get your money back from school then. It did no good.
- You are a moron.
- You think like a 12 year old.
- You obviously have no clue about the world around you.
- You're an ******.
- You're a blind patriot.
- My
- nate jonesacc - 06-19-2003 10:33 AM
No, smart guy... other threads... :rolleyes:
- Rebel - 06-19-2003 11:16 AM
nate jonesacc Wrote:No, smart guy... other threads... :rolleyes::stupid:
You've had your ****** handed to you so many times, don't be so arrogant. You have NEVER and WILL never beat me at debate. You couldn't respond to this writer's assertions other than calling her "Ignorant". Oh yeah, that'll get her. :rolleyes:
- nate jonesacc - 06-19-2003 01:17 PM
RebelKev Wrote:LOL... please show me EACH time that I got my ****** handed to me... ????nate jonesacc Wrote:No, smart guy... other threads... :rolleyes::stupid:
You've had your ****** handed to you so many times, don't be so arrogant. You have NEVER and WILL never beat me at debate. You couldn't respond to this writer's assertions other than calling her "Ignorant". Oh yeah, that'll get her. :rolleyes:
Here you go...
You called me out on how many countries I had been to. You got your ****** handed to you there.
You called me out on whether or not Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer. You got your ****** handed to you there.
You called me out and said that Israel doesn't target women and children. You got your ****** handed to you there.
- Rebel - 06-19-2003 01:53 PM
[quote="nate jonesacc"] [quote="RebelKev"] [quote="nate jonesacc"] No, smart guy... other threads...
- nate jonesacc - 06-19-2003 01:56 PM
LOL... Palestinian scum? You're one sick guy.
So burying a 10 year old girl is collateral damage? Shooting babies in the head is a result of others being terrorists? WTF kind of logic is that? :bang:
And... which countries do you want me to prove I've been to?