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- dem devilz is off tha hoo - 12-18-2002 02:53 AM
they sucketty suck suck suck
i mean what the hell is up with having a feet with a blakc spot on it as a mascot? that aint even kewl.
- Sarah - 12-18-2002 10:22 AM
"The Foot" has beaten better teams so far this season than we've even dreamed of playing yet! Have you even bothered looking at OUR strength of schedule??? Please go back to your sandbox, now, before "The Foot" finds it's way up your ---! (geez, sometimes being a Dukie is more trouble than it's worth!) (-;
- JD Heel - 12-18-2002 10:34 AM
dem devilz is off tha hook! Wrote:i mean what the hell is up with having a feet with a blakc spot on it as a mascot? that aint even kewl.Dude, it has a little something to do with our state history. We're one of the few teams in the nation that actually has a nickname that has some kind of historical meaning -- and reflects state pride. If you're even from North Carolina, then you'd have a clue about that.
And Sarah, all I can say is:
I knew you were my favorite Dukie poster for a reason....-JD
- DamascusTerp2 - 12-18-2002 12:58 PM
but a FIST is real cool, huh dukie2?
- JD Heel - 12-18-2002 02:30 PM
Quote:the foot sucks
Speaking of which....
SUCK IT!!!
![[Image: 86-57.JPG]](http://www.lib.unc.edu/ncc/pcoll/civilwar/86-57.JPG)
-JD
- Deep Blue - 12-19-2002 01:35 AM
Tar heels comes from confederate soldiers so it means they're losers, recruiting rivals should point that out. In this age of political correctness, many schools have changed nicknames that may be insensitive or just stupid, heel is another word for jerk. It's funny how Helms once said UNC and Chapel Hill was so liberal, it's the 12th most conservative school in the nation according to princetonreview.com, that's hardly a precise ranking but UNC isn't liberal. Anyway, a nickname like tar heels is just another fun thing to hate about UNC.
- JD Heel - 12-19-2002 03:19 AM
Actually, I think the name "Tar Heels" originated during the Revolutionary War... and then was recycled (if you will) during the Civil War. The Revolutionary War story has something to do with Cornwallis and the Tar River, I believe. But, yes, the Civil War story is more popular.
For those that don't know the story, it involves Confederate soldiers from the state of North Carolina fighting during the war. They were in a battle with some soldiers from Virginia and a couple of other states... and for some reason, everyone retreated except the North Carolina soldiers. The Virginia folks were asking them about it after the battle -- and the NC boys said that they needed to put tar on the heels of the rest of them to make them stay and fight. General Robert E. Lee was said to have heard of their steadfastness in battle -- and apparently uttered "God bless the Tar Heel boys."
Now I'll address Deep Blue's asinine statement: "Tar heels comes from confederate soldiers so it means they're losers." I'm not sure whether you are using "losers" in the literal sense, or just making a general statement about the type of person a Confederate soldier was.
If it's the former, then I hope you realize that the Civil War was not Union soldiers versus North Carolina soldiers. That would be like every team in Division 1-A versus UNC. But that's a moot point because the story up above shows that the NC soldiers won the battle that earned their nickname. So, they got that name by winning.
If it's the latter, then I hope it's clear from the story up above that the name "Tar Heels" is not rooted in slavery... nor integral to the Confederate cause. I also do not need to tell you that the Civil War did not mean that all Union soldiers were saints and all Confederate soldiers were terrible people. Yes, those that supported slavery (which wasn't every Confederate soldier, by the way) were wrong about that -- and everyone should be glad about the outcome of the war. But, there were many different issues involved with the war.
For those that might not know, I'll note here that Robert E. Lee was just as likely to fight for the Union army instead of the Confederate army -- at least as far as slavery was concerned. He almost ended up fighting with the North (he was being "recruited" by both sides, if you will). What swayed his decision was that he held more loyalty to his state than he did the country as a whole. And that, my friend, is what the Civil War was about to many, many people.
Quote:In this age of political correctness, many schools have changed nicknames that may be insensitive or just stupid, heel is another word for jerk.
This has to be a joke. A person cannot possibly have these kinds of reasoning skills. I will respond to that part for those that wouldn't know any better -- but I'm going to assume that you were joking here.
For the rest of you -- I hope the story up above clears up how this is a nickname for people from North Carolina and not the Confederate army as a whole. It was used during the Civil War... but nothing about it is connected to slavery at all. It's about people from the state of North Carolina fighting in a battle. I know you're all intelligent enough not to confuse the two, so I'll just stop there.
As for the ranking from princetonreview.com, it actually comes from a category entitled "Most likely to be nostalgic for Reagan." It's a loose ranking that means a bit more than just the "conservative vs. liberal" label -- but yes, I agree that it shows that UNC is not quite as liberal as many people believe. The way I see it is there's a good number of differing viewpoints and folks at the opposite ends of the spectrum at UNC. It's because of that political diversity that the term "liberal" is so often applied to the school. Also, the towns of Chapel Hill and Carrboro are very "liberal" themselves... and that results in things like non-student residents protesting in the Pit all the time and making the school look more "liberal" than it is.
-JD
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- tarheelsben1 - 12-19-2002 04:44 AM
and here is the answer to all of your questions...
<a href='http://www.unc.edu/about/traditions.html#tarheel' target='_blank'>have a nice day :)</a>
- Laettners Legacy - 12-19-2002 12:18 PM
Deep Blue is a moron
Dont diss our state history bud-thats askin for trouble!
- nate jonesacc - 12-19-2002 08:41 PM
Tar Heel came from the Revolutionary War you moron.
Chapel Hill overall is the freaking liberal capital of the South.
I went downtown the other day, and started a discussion with my friends and some UNC students. I told them that I fully support a war on Iraq and they spewed the typical liberal banter of "WAR IS NEVER THE ANSWER!" During the conversation, two men kissed near us, a lesbian couple walked by, 4 freaks, 3 punks and 567 piercings walked by.
Believe me, UNC is VERY liberal for being in the SouthEast.
BTW, the above is not a knock on people who choose to life those lifestyles, just pointing something out.
- JoltinJacket - 12-19-2002 10:40 PM
Laettner's Legacy Wrote:Deep Blue is a moronHim's a Yankee. We don't take kindly to that kind 'round these here parts.
Dont diss our state history bud-thats askin for trouble!
He proved that in his "confederate soldiers so it means they're losers" comment.
- nate jonesacc - 12-19-2002 11:04 PM
JoltinJacket Wrote:Which was blatantly wrong... go figure. :rolleyes:Laettner's Legacy Wrote:Deep Blue is a moron
Dont diss our state history bud-thats askin for trouble!
He proved that in his "confederate soldiers so it means they're losers" comment.
- Duke Alum - 01-12-2003 06:41 PM
UNC's own website claims Tar Heels was first used to describe North Carolinians fighting for the Confederacy and slavery in the Civil War, of course they lost. JD Heel thinks it comes from a pat on the head from their Virginian leader. It's just funny that heels choose their name based on one skirmish in a war they lost, did NC even have any great generals like Lee or Stonewall Jackson? NC gets dominated in football by MD, VA, SC, GA, FL, TN, etc., Amato and Grobe aren't from NC, but Franks is. Most Americans don't know anything about carolina except Helms, Strom, hog farms, tobacco, and Duke basketball. Carolina is like the NJ or WV of the south. It's fun to talk trash about NC since the rest of the state doesn't like Duke. It's a fun rivalry, especially for Duke fans.
- JoltinJacket - 01-12-2003 07:03 PM
Quote:Amato and Grobe aren't from NC, but Franks is.
What's your point? Are you saying people that were born in NC can't coach?That argument can't hold any water. :rolleyes:
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- nate jonesacc - 01-12-2003 10:26 PM
JoltinJacket Wrote:You expect anything from that moron can? :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:Quote:Amato and Grobe aren't from NC, but Franks is.
That argument can't hold any water. :rolleyes:
- JD Heel - 01-13-2003 12:07 AM
Duke Alum Wrote:UNC's own website claims Tar Heels was first used to describe North Carolinians fighting for the Confederacy and slavery in the Civil War, of course they lost. JD Heel thinks it comes from a pat on the head from their Virginian leader. It's just funny that heels choose their name based on one skirmish in a war they lost, did NC even have any great generals like Lee or Stonewall Jackson? NC gets dominated in football by MD, VA, SC, GA, FL, TN, etc., Amato and Grobe aren't from NC, but Franks is. Most Americans don't know anything about carolina except Helms, Strom, hog farms, tobacco, and Duke basketball. Carolina is like the NJ or WV of the south. It's fun to talk trash about NC since the rest of the state doesn't like Duke. It's a fun rivalry, especially for Duke fans.DeepBlue (whoops, Duke Alum): You did not go to UNC -- I did. In freshmen orientation, they teach you about the origin of the name "Tar Heels." They teach you that it can be traced back to both the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. Guess which one came first....
I'll give you the fact that the nickname probably became more popular during the Civil War. I'll also give you that NC probably didn't have any generals as great as Lee or Stonewall Jackson (but not many states did). I'll also give you that the Confederacy lost the Civil War.
I won't give you that North Carolina by itself lost the Civil War. I won't give you that North Carolina troops were not good fighters (all evidence to the contrary). I won't give you that it makes them bad people that they were fighting on what in retrospect is seen as "the wrong side."
NC troops got the nickname for being good warriors. Like it or not, that's the truth.
That was a nice sweeping statement about what the rest of the country does and doesn't know about "Carolina" (as if North and South Carolina are seen as the same around the country). As usual, you are underestimating the intelligence of Americans.
Oh, and I love how we get dominated by all those teams (or are they just states in general)? When was the last time we played Tennessee? How about South Carolina? How about Georgia? How about Florida?
We kicked MD's butt all throughout the nineties. They've won the last two, though. You are right about UVa, though -- they generally have our number (they always win in Charlottesville, and it's about even in Chapel Hill). One out of six ain't bad....
-JD
- Big Pimpin Deac - 01-13-2003 02:55 PM
Duke Alum Wrote:UNC's own website claims Tar Heels was first used to describe North Carolinians fighting for the Confederacy and slavery in the Civil War, of course they lost. JD Heel thinks it comes from a pat on the head from their Virginian leader. It's just funny that heels choose their name based on one skirmish in a war they lost, did NC even have any great generals like Lee or Stonewall Jackson? NC gets dominated in football by MD, VA, SC, GA, FL, TN, etc., Amato and Grobe aren't from NC, but Franks is. Most Americans don't know anything about carolina except Helms, Strom, hog farms, tobacco, and Duke basketball. Carolina is like the NJ or WV of the south. It's fun to talk trash about NC since the rest of the state doesn't like Duke. It's a fun rivalry, especially for Duke fans.Rest assured, we laugh and joke about your home state all the time down here, too. The feeling is quite mutual, Deep Alum.
- nate jonesacc - 01-13-2003 08:51 PM
All Southerners are racists.
All WFU students, alumni, and fans are racists for not respecting someone who sits on her ****** all day and gets a big fat paycheck.
North Carolina lost the civil war.
The south was the region with slaves.
Slaves are bad.
Therefore, North Carolina = bad
Anything inside of, or named "North" or "Carolina" are both racist and bad.
Deep Blue Devil Alum applied to both Boston College and Duke. Duke scoffed at the application, and BS gave him a full scholly.
Boston College is a team of thugs.
Anything I didn't cover, Deep Blue Devil Alum?
- JoltinJacket - 01-13-2003 10:21 PM
nate jonesacc Wrote:Anything inside of, or named "North" or "Carolina" are both racist and bad.I'm sure the residents of North Dakota are glad to hear you say that.
- Upper Deck Chevy - 01-15-2003 08:50 AM
Ha! I missed this smackdown - I nearly broke my spine trying to follow BlueDevil's "logic"