(12-11-2012 08:25 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 08:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  The SEC has does not have any church supported schools.

(12-11-2012 08:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  But....never count out a bunch of Baptist in the South.

Ok, you have done a good job of drawing interest with these comments. Mind explaining what you are thinking in a little more detail?

(12-11-2012 08:37 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 08:25 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 08:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  The SEC has does not have any church supported schools.

(12-11-2012 08:18 PM)XLance Wrote:  But....never count out a bunch of Baptist in the South.

Ok, you have done a good job of drawing interest with these comments. Mind explaining what you are thinking in a little more detail?

I think he's referring to the SEC here, He1nous, even though there are as many Catholics down here as anybody... Just call us "God-Fearing football maniacs".

(12-11-2012 08:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  The SEC has does not have any church supported schools.

(12-12-2012 10:47 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Vanderbilt is not a religious school, JR. It's merely private...

(12-12-2012 10:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  But Vanderbilt is not a Methodist school. It merely has a religious department, run by a church, which the church funds...

The rest of the campus, including the medical school, has no such religious affiliations. I've been going there regularly since 1999. Vanderbilt is just a private school...

(12-12-2012 10:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  But Vanderbilt is not a Methodist school. It merely has a religious department, run by a church, which the church funds...

The rest of the campus, including the medical school, has no such religious affiliations. I've been going there regularly since 1999. Vanderbilt is just a private school...

Quit being obtuse and look it up. It has a seminary which is sponsored by the United Methodist Church. That seminary is not listed as United Methodist because it trains a diversity of denominational ministerial candidates. You will find purse strings attached and that is support. Duke is the same way. Erskine is the same way. The Methodist don't generally handle seminary support the same way that the Baptists do with schools like Baylor and Wake Forest. Emory University is also a United Methodist school which is highly secular in nature, private, but is sponsored by the Church.

Quote:The Vanderbilt Divinity School and Graduate Department of Religion (usually Vanderbilt Divinity School) is an interdenominational divinity school at Vanderbilt University, a major research university located in Nashville, Tennessee. It is one of only five graduate schools of religion in the United States without a denominational affiliation that service primarily mainline Protestantism (University of Chicago Divinity School, Harvard Divinity School, Wake Forest University School of Divinity, and Yale Divinity School are the others).

(12-12-2012 11:47 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  But Vanderbilt is not a Methodist school. It merely has a religious department, run by a church, which the church funds...

The rest of the campus, including the medical school, has no such religious affiliations. I've been going there regularly since 1999. Vanderbilt is just a private school...

Quit being obtuse and look it up. It has a seminary which is sponsored by the United Methodist Church. That seminary is not listed as United Methodist because it trains a diversity of denominational ministerial candidates. You will find purse strings attached and that is support. Duke is the same way. Erskine is the same way. The Methodist don't generally handle seminary support the same way that the Baptists do with schools like Baylor and Wake Forest. Emory University is also a United Methodist school which is highly secular in nature, private, but is sponsored by the Church.

From Wikipedia...

Quote:The Vanderbilt Divinity School and Graduate Department of Religion (usually Vanderbilt Divinity School) is an interdenominational divinity school at Vanderbilt University, a major research university located in Nashville, Tennessee. It is one of only five graduate schools of religion in the United States without a denominational affiliation that service primarily mainline Protestantism (University of Chicago Divinity School, Harvard Divinity School, Wake Forest University School of Divinity, and Yale Divinity School are the others).

I retract nothing of what I've said on this. Vanderbilt is not affiliated with any church. It's just a private school...

(12-12-2012 10:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  But Vanderbilt is not a Methodist school. It merely has a religious department, run by a church, which the church funds...

The rest of the campus, including the medical school, has no such religious affiliations. I've been going there regularly since 1999. Vanderbilt is just a private school...

(12-12-2012 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 11:47 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  But Vanderbilt is not a Methodist school. It merely has a religious department, run by a church, which the church funds...

The rest of the campus, including the medical school, has no such religious affiliations. I've been going there regularly since 1999. Vanderbilt is just a private school...

Quit being obtuse and look it up. It has a seminary which is sponsored by the United Methodist Church. That seminary is not listed as United Methodist because it trains a diversity of denominational ministerial candidates. You will find purse strings attached and that is support. Duke is the same way. Erskine is the same way. The Methodist don't generally handle seminary support the same way that the Baptists do with schools like Baylor and Wake Forest. Emory University is also a United Methodist school which is highly secular in nature, private, but is sponsored by the Church.

From Wikipedia...

Quote:The Vanderbilt Divinity School and Graduate Department of Religion (usually Vanderbilt Divinity School) is an interdenominational divinity school at Vanderbilt University, a major research university located in Nashville, Tennessee. It is one of only five graduate schools of religion in the United States without a denominational affiliation that service primarily mainline Protestantism (University of Chicago Divinity School, Harvard Divinity School, Wake Forest University School of Divinity, and Yale Divinity School are the others).

I retract nothing of what I've said on this. Vanderbilt is not affiliated with any church. It's just a private school...

Most of these divinity schools now receive their funding from many denominations for the purpose of diversifying their support base and have altered their disciplines to qualify for some private grants as well.
Wake Forest was certainly Baptist at its founding. Vanderbilt still receives funding from the Methodists among others. Wikipedia is the support of many an idiot.

Your quibbling doesn't change the histories of those schools, or the functions of their seminaries. It just proves you cannot admit when you are wrong.

bitcruncher Wrote:

JRsec Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:

JRsec Wrote:Nashville is the center of the United Methodist Church's budgetary operations and Vanderbilt's Divinity school is the heart of that operation. I know because I worked closely with one of their former vice presidents of foundations securing funding for them.

Not all seminaries are set up the same way it depends upon the denominational polities. They are private because they are funded by, and in most cases founded by churches. The seminary remains as a heart supported by the church. The other disciplines function as any secular university would. Many students might attend and never know they were part of a church supported school.

I understand that you have a breadth of knowledge about a great many things but when you challenge someone's expertise in a field that is their area of expertise you always quibble your error and never admit your mistake. That's what pisses me off about some of your quick, negatively slanted, and never retracted posts. It is then when you abuse your position as a moderator. I do not believe that is your intention, but it is the result.

I agree with you the majority of the time, but just like the issue with Biblical languages you are out of your depth.

From Wikipedia...

Quote:The Vanderbilt Divinity School and Graduate Department of Religion (usually Vanderbilt Divinity School) is an interdenominational divinity school at Vanderbilt University, a major research university located in Nashville, Tennessee. It is one of only five graduate schools of religion in the United States without a denominational affiliation that service primarily mainline Protestantism (University of Chicago Divinity School, Harvard Divinity School, Wake Forest University School of Divinity, and Yale Divinity School are the others).

I retract nothing of what I've said on this. Vanderbilt is not affiliated with any church. It's just a private school...

You are completely missing the point. Most divinity schools today are multidenominational, you have to work inside their foundations in order to see where the checks are coming from in regards to their support. They are multi-denominational for a variety of reasons. Chief among those reasons are the limited number of prospective students that would or could attend if it was solely associated with one denomination. Second, is that because of the cost of higher education most denominations can't afford to be the sole support of their seminaries and years ago moved to general principles acceptable to the broader range of Protestant denominations.

If you trust wikipedia you are ignorant. It is chocked full of mis-perceptions and mistakes. I know about Vanderbilt's funding because I worked in that area too. My post was in response to Xlance who claimed the SEC had no church sponsored schools. Vanderbilt is now sponsored by many churches. It's university as the others I listed were founded around a seminary that grew into a university. That was the heritage of the enlightenment. As a predominantly religious society in the 1800's many universities were founded around both theology and the arts and sciences. Just like all public schools grew out of religious ones so many public universities have as well.

Your refusal to admit error is reason enough for me to write you off as nothing more than another anger bearing pseudo-intellectual.

I'm not refusing to see anything. There's nothing to see. I go to Vanderbilt all the time, and have since I was put on the transplant list in 1999. I got my transplant at Vanderbilt. I had cancer treatment at Vanderbilt. My neurological problems were diagnosed at Vanderbilt. I lived just off the Vanderbilt campus for about 3 months after my June 2004 transplant. I still go there regularly for maintenance visits at the Vanderbilt Medical Clinic. I know far more about Vanderbilt, and who finances what at Vandy, than you realize. I've got a 3rd cousin in the Registrars office at Vandy. You want her phone number? She'll you the same thing I am now...

I was also raised in the Methodist Church. My cousin is a Methodist minister in Durham, and my uncle is a retired minister in Texas (First Christian Church). Vanderbilt has churches among its DONORS. But none of them are AFFILIATED with Vanderbilt. VANDERBILT NO RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION WHAT SO EVER. Look up the definitions for DONOR and AFFILIATE, and quit trying to make a point that isn't...

As far as my being an anger bearing pseudo-intellectual, if that's what you want to think, feel free. But it seems to me that this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I never got personal on this issue, but you did. You've called me ignorant, obtuse, and an anger bearing pseudo-intellectual, among other insults, and I've not responded once in kind...

Think about that for a minute...

If you think the way to win friends and influence people is to ridicule and insult anyone you disagree with on interpersonal issues (like religion and politics), then you're in for a rude awakening, and a rough life...

(12-12-2012 01:28 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 12:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 11:47 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  But Vanderbilt is not a Methodist school. It merely has a religious department, run by a church, which the church funds...

The rest of the campus, including the medical school, has no such religious affiliations. I've been going there regularly since 1999. Vanderbilt is just a private school...

Quit being obtuse and look it up. It has a seminary which is sponsored by the United Methodist Church. That seminary is not listed as United Methodist because it trains a diversity of denominational ministerial candidates. You will find purse strings attached and that is support. Duke is the same way. Erskine is the same way. The Methodist don't generally handle seminary support the same way that the Baptists do with schools like Baylor and Wake Forest. Emory University is also a United Methodist school which is highly secular in nature, private, but is sponsored by the Church.

From Wikipedia...

Quote:The Vanderbilt Divinity School and Graduate Department of Religion (usually Vanderbilt Divinity School) is an interdenominational divinity school at Vanderbilt University, a major research university located in Nashville, Tennessee. It is one of only five graduate schools of religion in the United States without a denominational affiliation that service primarily mainline Protestantism (University of Chicago Divinity School, Harvard Divinity School, Wake Forest University School of Divinity, and Yale Divinity School are the others).

I retract nothing of what I've said on this. Vanderbilt is not affiliated with any church. It's just a private school...

Most of these divinity schools now receive their funding from many denominations for the purpose of diversifying their support base and have altered their disciplines to qualify for some private grants as well.
Wake Forest was certainly Baptist at its founding. Vanderbilt still receives funding from the Methodists among others. Wikipedia is the support of many an idiot.

Your quibbling doesn't change the histories of those schools, or the functions of their seminaries. It just proves you cannot admit when you are wrong.

I see the insults thrown are different in public posts this time around. But if all you can do is insult me and Wikipedia, then you aren't swaying anyone with your rhetoric...

I will repost the PM we just exchanged, so the rest can read it, since you've decided to take this to an open forum...

bitcruncher Wrote:

JRsec Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:

JRsec Wrote:Nashville is the center of the United Methodist Church's budgetary operations and Vanderbilt's Divinity school is the heart of that operation. I know because I worked closely with one of their former vice presidents of foundations securing funding for them.

Not all seminaries are set up the same way it depends upon the denominational polities. They are private because they are funded by, and in most cases founded by churches. The seminary remains as a heart supported by the church. The other disciplines function as any secular university would. Many students might attend and never know they were part of a church supported school.

I understand that you have a breadth of knowledge about a great many things but when you challenge someone's expertise in a field that is their area of expertise you always quibble your error and never admit your mistake. That's what pisses me off about some of your quick, negatively slanted, and never retracted posts. It is then when you abuse your position as a moderator. I do not believe that is your intention, but it is the result.

I agree with you the majority of the time, but just like the issue with Biblical languages you are out of your depth.

From Wikipedia...

Quote:The Vanderbilt Divinity School and Graduate Department of Religion (usually Vanderbilt Divinity School) is an interdenominational divinity school at Vanderbilt University, a major research university located in Nashville, Tennessee. It is one of only five graduate schools of religion in the United States without a denominational affiliation that service primarily mainline Protestantism (University of Chicago Divinity School, Harvard Divinity School, Wake Forest University School of Divinity, and Yale Divinity School are the others).

I retract nothing of what I've said on this. Vanderbilt is not affiliated with any church. It's just a private school...

You are completely missing the point. Most divinity schools today are multidenominational, you have to work inside their foundations in order to see where the checks are coming from in regards to their support. They are multi-denominational for a variety of reasons. Chief among those reasons are the limited number of prospective students that would or could attend if it was solely associated with one denomination. Second, is that because of the cost of higher education most denominations can't afford to be the sole support of their seminaries and years ago moved to general principles acceptable to the broader range of Protestant denominations.

If you trust wikipedia you are ignorant. It is chocked full of mis-perceptions and mistakes. I know about Vanderbilt's funding because I worked in that area too. My post was in response to Xlance who claimed the SEC had no church sponsored schools. Vanderbilt is now sponsored by many churches. It's university as the others I listed were founded around a seminary that grew into a university. That was the heritage of the enlightenment. As a predominantly religious society in the 1800's many universities were founded around both theology and the arts and sciences. Just like all public schools grew out of religious ones so many public universities have as well.

Your refusal to admit error is reason enough for me to write you off as nothing more than another anger bearing pseudo-intellectual.

I'm not refusing to see anything. There's nothing to see. I go to Vanderbilt all the time, and have since I was put on the transplant list in 1999. I got my transplant at Vanderbilt. I had cancer treatment at Vanderbilt. My neurological problems were diagnosed at Vanderbilt. I lived just off the Vanderbilt campus for about 3 months after my June 2004 transplant. I still go there regularly for maintenance visits at the Vanderbilt Medical Clinic. I know far more about Vanderbilt, and who finances what at Vandy, than you realize. I've got a 3rd cousin in the Registrars office at Vandy. You want her phone number? She'll you the same thing I am now...

I was also raised in the Methodist Church. My cousin is a Methodist minister in Durham, and my uncle is a retired minister in Texas (First Christian Church). Vanderbilt has churches among its DONORS. But none of them are AFFILIATED with Vanderbilt. VANDERBILT NO RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION WHAT SO EVER. Look up the definitions for DONOR and AFFILIATE, and quit trying to make a point that isn't...

As far as my being an anger bearing pseudo-intellectual, if that's what you want to think, feel free. But it seems to me that this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I never got personal on this issue, but you did. You've called me ignorant, obtuse, and an anger bearing pseudo-intellectual, among other insults, and I've not responded once in kind...

Think about that for a minute...

If you think the way to win friends and influence people is to ridicule and insult anyone you disagree with on interpersonal issues (like religion and politics), then you're in for a rude awakening, and a rough life...