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Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - nzmorange - 04-22-2013 10:41 AM
Their academics aren't great, their athletic dept. doesn't make a ton of money, they aren't any good in basketball, they aren't consistently good in football, and they aren't a fantastic geographic match.
Admittedly, they do have some years of being good in football and the geography could be worse, bu tthat just means that they could be worse, not that they're good.
Are they a cultural match made in heaven or somehting? What gives? What am I missing? As far as I can tell, they are a western version of 'Ole Miss (only trade "I got wasted in Oxford" for "I got stoned in Boulder").
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - NJRedMan - 04-22-2013 10:44 AM
(04-22-2013 10:41 AM)nzmorange Wrote: Their academics aren't great, their athletic dept. doesn't make a ton of money, they aren't any good in basketball, they aren't consistently good in football, and they aren't a fantastic geographic match.
Admittedly, they do have some years of being good in football and the geography could be worse, bu tthat just means that they could be worse, not that they're good.
Are they a cultural match made in heaven or somehting? What gives? What am I missing? As far as I can tell, they are a western version of 'Ole Miss (only trade "I got wasted in Oxford" for "I got stoned in Boulder").
A lot of folks from CA go there for school so they fit in footprint well. They won the BBall tourny last year and are a big state school that goes well with Utah. Not to mention in most major pro sports Denver is in divisions/conferences with the west coast cities.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - chrisattsu - 04-22-2013 10:44 AM
State flagship and access to the 2nd largest metro area in the Mountain West and Southwest (behind Phoenix)
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - 10thMountain - 04-22-2013 10:47 AM
Actually they are a fantastic cultural and academic match.
Ever been to Boulder? Its beautiful but its also Berkeley in the mountains. UC gets a ton of applications from Cali, WA and OR and many of their grads move to the west coast after they get their degree. One of their guys claimed UC has more grads living in Cali than in greater Denver and I wouldn't see that as a stretch
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - arkstfan - 04-22-2013 10:48 AM
I've spent a lot of time in Boulder. It is absolutely a cultural fit for the Pac-12. It is much more Berkley, Seattle, Eugene than Phoenix will ever be and they were happy to go because they aren't Lincoln, Norman, Lawrence by any stretch of the imagination.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - nzmorange - 04-22-2013 10:54 AM
So the Cali schools think that their students/fans want to play UC Boulder because they are likely to have a ton of friends/family that went there?
Fair enough.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - Frank the Tank - 04-22-2013 10:58 AM
What?! Colorado is a fantastic fit for the Pac-12. The academic and cultural profile is a great match and it's located in a large and fast-growing market.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - NJRedMan - 04-22-2013 11:01 AM
(04-22-2013 10:58 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: What?! Colorado is a fantastic fit for the Pac-12. The academic and cultural profile is a great match and it's located in a large and fast-growing market.
Frank, I think everyone but the OP understands the move.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - blunderbuss - 04-22-2013 11:05 AM
UC Boulder is a perfect match for the Pac12. They're the liberal / yuppy epicenter of Colorado which lines up perfectly with the vast majority of Pac12 schools. Also their academics are "top notch" in terms of what matters to the Pac12 eggheads.
It should be abundantly clear by now that realignment is barely driven by actual on the field performance.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - ODUgradstudent - 04-22-2013 11:06 AM
Maybe I'm biased as a scientist, but I view Boulder as having excellent academics.
They have four Nobel Laureates on their faculty, they have a large NIST center near them (including America's atomic clock), UCAR is based out of Boulder too. It's ranked as the 32nd best university in the world, I'd say that it's right at home in the Pac-12.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - SMUmustangs - 04-22-2013 11:09 AM
(04-22-2013 10:41 AM)nzmorange Wrote: Their academics aren't great, their athletic dept. doesn't make a ton of money, they aren't any good in basketball, they aren't consistently good in football, and they aren't a fantastic geographic match.
Admittedly, they do have some years of being good in football and the geography could be worse, bu tthat just means that they could be worse, not that they're good.
Are they a cultural match made in heaven or somehting? What gives? What am I missing? As far as I can tell, they are a western version of 'Ole Miss (only trade "I got wasted in Oxford" for "I got stoned in Boulder").
Short answer....With all due respect you are missing is a lot.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - Wolfman - 04-22-2013 11:11 AM
I think the California schools just wanted to get away from that horrible weather they have in southern California.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - bluesox - 04-22-2013 11:29 AM
I think they were a good fit + you got the rule to get to 12 for a title game. What surprises me is the WCC doesn't take seattle and denver. Gonzaga blocking seattle for whatever reason is what is wrong with conference expansion, small, petty mindset that blocks school's or prevents school's from still playing each other, i.e. texas a&M- texas/ ku-missouri etc. Back to the pac 10, i think they made a huge mistake not taking OU and Ok state. From what i've read larry scott gave the OK to the president of OU, who than went public, but than the presidents of the pac overruled the commish. I think taking OU and Ok state would have forced texas into the pac 10 along with texas tech which = $ for the pac 10.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - bitcruncher - 04-22-2013 12:19 PM
(04-22-2013 10:41 AM)nzmorange Wrote: Their academics aren't great, their athletic dept. doesn't make a ton of money, they aren't any good in basketball, they aren't consistently good in football, and they aren't a fantastic geographic match.Dude, there's a lot you don't know about the ties of the far west with Colorado. The entire southwest depends on the Colorado River for their water, and all of that water comes from Colorado mountain snow melt. Colorado also donates their excess water to Arizona and Southern California. So it was an excellent move politically, especially since there's been some political infighting about water rights lately, which eased up considerably after this move...
Admittedly, they do have some years of being good in football and the geography could be worse, bu tthat just means that they could be worse, not that they're good.
Are they a cultural match made in heaven or somehting? What gives? What am I missing? As far as I can tell, they are a western version of 'Ole Miss (only trade "I got wasted in Oxford" for "I got stoned in Boulder").
Also, most Colorado graduates find work further west than come towards the east. So culturally they have more in common with Pac12 schools than they do with anyone in the B12, or any other conference...
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - nzmorange - 04-22-2013 02:05 PM
(04-22-2013 11:06 AM)ODUgradstudent Wrote: Maybe I'm biased as a scientist, but I view Boulder as having excellent academics.
They have four Nobel Laureates on their faculty, they have a large NIST center near them (including America's atomic clock), UCAR is based out of Boulder too. It's ranked as the 32nd best university in the world, I'd say that it's right at home in the Pac-12.
Some rankings have it as barely being in the op 100 in the United States (US News has it at #97). I have no idea where you are getting #32 in the world. Maybe you mean research spending or something.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - nzmorange - 04-22-2013 02:07 PM
(04-22-2013 12:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:Good Lord, I hope you were joking!(04-22-2013 10:41 AM)nzmorange Wrote: Their academics aren't great, their athletic dept. doesn't make a ton of money, they aren't any good in basketball, they aren't consistently good in football, and they aren't a fantastic geographic match.Dude, there's a lot you don't know about the ties of the far west with Colorado. The entire southwest depends on the Colorado River for their water, and all of that water comes from Colorado mountain snow melt. Colorado also donates their excess water to Arizona and Southern California. So it was an excellent move politically, especially since there's been some political infighting about water rights lately, which eased up considerably after this move...
Admittedly, they do have some years of being good in football and the geography could be worse, bu tthat just means that they could be worse, not that they're good.
Are they a cultural match made in heaven or somehting? What gives? What am I missing? As far as I can tell, they are a western version of 'Ole Miss (only trade "I got wasted in Oxford" for "I got stoned in Boulder").
Also, most Colorado graduates find work further west than come towards the east. So culturally they have more in common with Pac12 schools than they do with anyone in the B12, or any other conference...
UC Boulder was not invited to the Pac-12 so Los Angeles could improve their water rights.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - nzmorange - 04-22-2013 02:08 PM
(04-22-2013 11:09 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:(04-22-2013 10:41 AM)nzmorange Wrote: Their academics aren't great, their athletic dept. doesn't make a ton of money, they aren't any good in basketball, they aren't consistently good in football, and they aren't a fantastic geographic match.
Admittedly, they do have some years of being good in football and the geography could be worse, bu tthat just means that they could be worse, not that they're good.
Are they a cultural match made in heaven or somehting? What gives? What am I missing? As far as I can tell, they are a western version of 'Ole Miss (only trade "I got wasted in Oxford" for "I got stoned in Boulder").
Short answer....With all due respect you are missing is a lot.
I ask a question and get insulted by a man who can't forumlate a coherent response. Only in America...
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - Wedge - 04-22-2013 02:12 PM
(04-22-2013 11:11 AM)Wolfman Wrote: I think the California schools just wanted to get away from that horrible weather they have in southern California.
It's snowing in Boulder today. April 22. We have many great things in California, but we don't have snowfall on April 22. I wonder if it's ever snowed on April 22 on any other Pac-12 campus.
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - CliftonAve - 04-22-2013 02:12 PM
(04-22-2013 12:19 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:(04-22-2013 10:41 AM)nzmorange Wrote: Their academics aren't great, their athletic dept. doesn't make a ton of money, they aren't any good in basketball, they aren't consistently good in football, and they aren't a fantastic geographic match.Dude, there's a lot you don't know about the ties of the far west with Colorado. The entire southwest depends on the Colorado River for their water, and all of that water comes from Colorado mountain snow melt. Colorado also donates their excess water to Arizona and Southern California. So it was an excellent move politically, especially since there's been some political infighting about water rights lately, which eased up considerably after this move...
Admittedly, they do have some years of being good in football and the geography could be worse, bu tthat just means that they could be worse, not that they're good.
Are they a cultural match made in heaven or somehting? What gives? What am I missing? As far as I can tell, they are a western version of 'Ole Miss (only trade "I got wasted in Oxford" for "I got stoned in Boulder").
Also, most Colorado graduates find work further west than come towards the east. So culturally they have more in common with Pac12 schools than they do with anyone in the B12, or any other conference...
Based on that logic Cincinnati is a shoe-in for the SEC since the Ohio River flows into the Mississippi and (to take another poster's comments) a large number of people here have family ties to Kentucky and Tennessee.
(sarcasm alert)
RE: Will someone explain what the PAc sees in UC Boulder? - arkstfan - 04-22-2013 02:13 PM
(04-22-2013 02:08 PM)nzmorange Wrote:(04-22-2013 11:09 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:(04-22-2013 10:41 AM)nzmorange Wrote: Their academics aren't great, their athletic dept. doesn't make a ton of money, they aren't any good in basketball, they aren't consistently good in football, and they aren't a fantastic geographic match.
Admittedly, they do have some years of being good in football and the geography could be worse, bu tthat just means that they could be worse, not that they're good.
Are they a cultural match made in heaven or somehting? What gives? What am I missing? As far as I can tell, they are a western version of 'Ole Miss (only trade "I got wasted in Oxford" for "I got stoned in Boulder").
Short answer....With all due respect you are missing is a lot.
I ask a question and get insulted by a man who can't forumlate a coherent response. Only in America...
Don't watch the news much?
