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RE: GTS' ACC Map - ArQ - 07-30-2014 12:15 PM
(07-30-2014 11:35 AM)UConnHusky Wrote: That map looks pretty barren around the New York City area (as Connecticut and New Jersey are basically outlined as non-ACC members). Syracuse is up by the tail of the "S".
No conference is going to get the fan interest of NYC until there are two or more teams on either side of that city. The ACC has Cuse and the B1G has Rutgers. Whichever conference adds UConn would be the conference that would firmly have their flag planted in NYC. I suspect that it will eventually be the B1G that makes that move. I don't think Swofford will offer UConn unless he thinks that the B1G has an interest in UConn. However, if the B1G has an interest and then the ACC offers UConn, UConn will choose the B1G.
Delany never tips his hand....
I totally agree. ACC needs to add UConn to solidify New York market. I hope ACC send the message to UConn that they will be added when Notre Dame becomes the full member.
RE: GTS' ACC Map - colohank - 07-30-2014 01:32 PM
(07-30-2014 12:12 PM)ArQ Wrote:(07-27-2014 11:54 PM)colohank Wrote: If market size and recruiting access are so important, than why all of the focus on West Virginia? The Cincinnati metro area has a greater population and more TV sets than the entire state of West Virginia, and way, way better HS football. UC has much better academics, too.
West Virginia is the kingpin of a state, nonetheless a small one, and Cincinnati will always play second fiddle to tOSU.
That's true, but then, according to that criterion, Pitt will always play second fiddle to PSU. There are plenty of states that have multiple major universities, often in the same athletic conference. Just among ACC states, which is the kingpin and which plays second (or third or fourth) fiddle in Virginia, North Carolina, Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, or Florida?
What about Michigan, Indiana and Illinois, all with multiple schools in the B1G? Which schools are the kingpins and which play second fiddle?
What about California, Arizona, Oregon, and Washington, all with multiple schools in the PAC? Which schools are the kingpins and which play second (or third) fiddle?
What about Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas, all with multiple schools in the Big XII?
And on and on...
RE: GTS' ACC Map - UConnHusky - 07-30-2014 01:42 PM
(07-30-2014 12:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:(07-30-2014 11:35 AM)UConnHusky Wrote: That map looks pretty barren around the New York City area (as Connecticut and New Jersey are basically outlined as non-ACC members). Syracuse is up by the tail of the "S".
No conference is going to get the fan interest of NYC until there are two or more teams on either side of that city. The ACC has Cuse and the B1G has Rutgers. Whichever conference adds UConn would be the conference that would firmly have their flag planted in NYC. I suspect that it will eventually be the B1G that makes that move. I don't think Swofford will offer UConn unless he thinks that the B1G has an interest in UConn. However, if the B1G has an interest and then the ACC offers UConn, UConn will choose the B1G.
Delany never tips his hand....
I totally agree. ACC needs to add UConn to solidify New York market. I hope ACC send the message to UConn that they will be added when Notre Dame becomes the full member.
I am just worried that Notre Dame will drag its heels on full membership and insist on independence for as long as possible (which will make the ACC stand pat). That really does leave the B1G in a position to silently sweep in and grab UConn somewhere in the future when it makes sense for them. (I have said it before, but UConn is a solid grab for the B1G as UConn basketball speaks for itself and UConn football will rebound. The B1G also now sponsors hockey and UConn is one of the few FBS schools that can help them grow that sport as well - they only have six schools participating in it now and it makes for additional content on the Big Ten Network.)
If the Big 12 grabs Cincy and the B1G grabs UConn, then the ACC will be left with slim pickings for additional schools.
Swofford should maximize the amount of the NYC market share while he still can!
RE: GTS' ACC Map - WNCOrange - 07-30-2014 02:20 PM
I may be in the minority but I think the combo of ND football and Duke hoops is a bigger draw in NYC than adding Rutgers or UConn would have been.
And I say that a 'Cuse fan that wants to see UConn in the ACC.
RE: GTS' ACC Map - Kaplony - 07-30-2014 04:37 PM
If Big Jim Delany and Company start casting lustful eyes towards UConn it would be in the ACC's best interest to do everything in their power to make that union happen. Not only does it forever rid us of having to hear about the pending "revitalization" of football power from a school, but it weakens an already declining football product that much more making it that much easier for us to pass them.
RE: GTS' ACC Map - UConnHusky - 07-31-2014 11:16 AM
(07-30-2014 04:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote: If Big Jim Delany and Company start casting lustful eyes towards UConn it would be in the ACC's best interest to do everything in their power to make that union happen. Not only does it forever rid us of having to hear about the pending "revitalization" of football power from a school, but it weakens an already declining football product that much more making it that much easier for us to pass them.
UConn in the B1G would hurt recruiting for BC, Cuse, and Pitt more than if UConn was in the ACC! Recruits would rather line up against big boys like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin versus Clemson, FSU, Duke, and Wake.
As for UConn, haters gonna hate. Football will be "revitalized"!
RE: GTS' ACC Map - georgia_tech_swagger - 07-31-2014 12:24 PM
No to UCONN. The no only gets louder the further south you go of DC.
I can come to grips with the less than elegant map given that I want the ACC to be the Pac-12 of the east coast. The Pac-12 map isn't exactly beautiful right now either, and has 4 land-locked teams in a coastal league. Just add Cincinnati and Notre Dame, move to pods, and call it a day.
ACC Atlantic North
Boston College
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Notre Dame
ACC Atlantic South
Louisville
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
Virginia
ACC Coastal North
Wake Forest
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
ACC Coastal South
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
If I were God, I'd probably bump Louisville, Cuse, BC, and Notre Dame and bring in Tennessee, Maryland, Penn State, West Virginia, and South Carolina.
ACC Atlantic North
Maryland
Pittsburgh
Penn State
West Virginia
ACC Atlantic South
Virginia
North Carolina
NC State
Duke
ACC Coastal North
Georgia Tech
Tennessee
Wake Forest
Virginia Tech
ACC Coastal South
Florida State
Miami
Clemson
South Carolina
RE: GTS' ACC Map - TerryD - 08-02-2014 09:20 PM
(07-30-2014 12:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:(07-30-2014 11:35 AM)UConnHusky Wrote: That map looks pretty barren around the New York City area (as Connecticut and New Jersey are basically outlined as non-ACC members). Syracuse is up by the tail of the "S".
No conference is going to get the fan interest of NYC until there are two or more teams on either side of that city. The ACC has Cuse and the B1G has Rutgers. Whichever conference adds UConn would be the conference that would firmly have their flag planted in NYC. I suspect that it will eventually be the B1G that makes that move. I don't think Swofford will offer UConn unless he thinks that the B1G has an interest in UConn. However, if the B1G has an interest and then the ACC offers UConn, UConn will choose the B1G.
Delany never tips his hand....
I totally agree. ACC needs to add UConn to solidify New York market. I hope ACC send the message to UConn that they will be added when Notre Dame becomes the full member.
So, never?
RE: GTS' ACC Map - TerryD - 08-02-2014 09:26 PM
(07-30-2014 01:42 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:(07-30-2014 12:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:(07-30-2014 11:35 AM)UConnHusky Wrote: That map looks pretty barren around the New York City area (as Connecticut and New Jersey are basically outlined as non-ACC members). Syracuse is up by the tail of the "S".
No conference is going to get the fan interest of NYC until there are two or more teams on either side of that city. The ACC has Cuse and the B1G has Rutgers. Whichever conference adds UConn would be the conference that would firmly have their flag planted in NYC. I suspect that it will eventually be the B1G that makes that move. I don't think Swofford will offer UConn unless he thinks that the B1G has an interest in UConn. However, if the B1G has an interest and then the ACC offers UConn, UConn will choose the B1G.
Delany never tips his hand....
I totally agree. ACC needs to add UConn to solidify New York market. I hope ACC send the message to UConn that they will be added when Notre Dame becomes the full member.
I am just worried that Notre Dame will drag its heels on full membership and insist on independence for as long as possible (which will make the ACC stand pat). That really does leave the B1G in a position to silently sweep in and grab UConn somewhere in the future when it makes sense for them. (I have said it before, but UConn is a solid grab for the B1G as UConn basketball speaks for itself and UConn football will rebound. The B1G also now sponsors hockey and UConn is one of the few FBS schools that can help them grow that sport as well - they only have six schools participating in it now and it makes for additional content on the Big Ten Network.)
If the Big 12 grabs Cincy and the B1G grabs UConn, then the ACC will be left with slim pickings for additional schools.
Swofford should maximize the amount of the NYC market share while he still can!
If you are counting on ND becoming a member of the ACC for football as your strategy for UConn getting an ACC bid, I am afraid you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
UConn needs to sell the ACC on its own merits, not try to ride ND's coat tails, waiting for a contingent event that is not likely to ever happen.
RE: GTS' ACC Map - UConnHusky - 08-04-2014 10:51 AM
(08-02-2014 09:26 PM)TerryD Wrote:(07-30-2014 01:42 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:(07-30-2014 12:15 PM)ArQ Wrote:(07-30-2014 11:35 AM)UConnHusky Wrote: That map looks pretty barren around the New York City area (as Connecticut and New Jersey are basically outlined as non-ACC members). Syracuse is up by the tail of the "S".
No conference is going to get the fan interest of NYC until there are two or more teams on either side of that city. The ACC has Cuse and the B1G has Rutgers. Whichever conference adds UConn would be the conference that would firmly have their flag planted in NYC. I suspect that it will eventually be the B1G that makes that move. I don't think Swofford will offer UConn unless he thinks that the B1G has an interest in UConn. However, if the B1G has an interest and then the ACC offers UConn, UConn will choose the B1G.
Delany never tips his hand....
I totally agree. ACC needs to add UConn to solidify New York market. I hope ACC send the message to UConn that they will be added when Notre Dame becomes the full member.
I am just worried that Notre Dame will drag its heels on full membership and insist on independence for as long as possible (which will make the ACC stand pat). That really does leave the B1G in a position to silently sweep in and grab UConn somewhere in the future when it makes sense for them. (I have said it before, but UConn is a solid grab for the B1G as UConn basketball speaks for itself and UConn football will rebound. The B1G also now sponsors hockey and UConn is one of the few FBS schools that can help them grow that sport as well - they only have six schools participating in it now and it makes for additional content on the Big Ten Network.)
If the Big 12 grabs Cincy and the B1G grabs UConn, then the ACC will be left with slim pickings for additional schools.
Swofford should maximize the amount of the NYC market share while he still can!
If you are counting on ND becoming a member of the ACC for football as your strategy for UConn getting an ACC bid, I am afraid you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
UConn needs to sell the ACC on its own merits, not try to ride ND's coat tails, waiting for a contingent event that is not likely to ever happen.
Ride the coat tails of the football team that we beat IN South Bend and almost always beat in basketball?
Anyway, if you know anything about realignment, you know that conference tend to take teams in multiples of two to keep their divisions balanced. That was all that I was suggesting.
I don't expect Notre Dame to do anything but be a parasite to whatever conference they are in at the time. If the ACC likes that, good for them. Quite frankly, I am happy to finally NOT be in a conference with Notre Dame.
RE: GTS' ACC Map - ken d - 08-05-2014 04:06 PM
(07-31-2014 11:16 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:(07-30-2014 04:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote: If Big Jim Delany and Company start casting lustful eyes towards UConn it would be in the ACC's best interest to do everything in their power to make that union happen. Not only does it forever rid us of having to hear about the pending "revitalization" of football power from a school, but it weakens an already declining football product that much more making it that much easier for us to pass them.
UConn in the B1G would hurt recruiting for BC, Cuse, and Pitt more than if UConn was in the ACC! Recruits would rather line up against big boys like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin versus Clemson, FSU, Duke, and Wake.
As for UConn, haters gonna hate. Football will be "revitalized"!
In order to be "revitalized", doesn't something have to be "vitalized" first?
RE: GTS' ACC Map - UConnHusky - 08-06-2014 09:49 AM
(08-05-2014 04:06 PM)ken d Wrote:(07-31-2014 11:16 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:(07-30-2014 04:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote: If Big Jim Delany and Company start casting lustful eyes towards UConn it would be in the ACC's best interest to do everything in their power to make that union happen. Not only does it forever rid us of having to hear about the pending "revitalization" of football power from a school, but it weakens an already declining football product that much more making it that much easier for us to pass them.
UConn in the B1G would hurt recruiting for BC, Cuse, and Pitt more than if UConn was in the ACC! Recruits would rather line up against big boys like Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, and Wisconsin versus Clemson, FSU, Duke, and Wake.
As for UConn, haters gonna hate. Football will be "revitalized"!
In order to be "revitalized", doesn't something have to be "vitalized" first?
...says the guy who is too embarrassed to identify his team.
The program was "vitalized" and will be revitalized again. You will know that they are back when they spank your team (the one that you refuse to acknowledge).
RE: GTS' ACC Map - 1Dukie - 07-23-2016 07:19 PM
West Virginia fits the map nicely...
RE: GTS' ACC Map - ChrisLords - 07-24-2016 01:21 AM
(07-23-2016 07:19 PM)1Dukie Wrote: West Virginia fits the map nicely...
So does Cincinnati.
RE: GTS' ACC Map - green - 10-06-2022 01:50 PM
(07-24-2016 01:21 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:(07-23-2016 07:19 PM)1Dukie Wrote: West Virginia fits the map nicely...
So doesCincinnatiUCF.
2 OUT OF 3 AIN’T BAD