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The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - UNLVFan90 - 06-11-2013 04:34 PM
If the Power 5 do breakaway from the other conferences the Mountain West and AAC need to come with them. We should not be stuck in the same breath as the Conference USA, MAC, and Sun Belt. We have much more in common with the P5 conferences than the 3 conferences listed above. Discuss.
The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - ark30inf - 06-11-2013 04:36 PM
They would have to want you and they don't.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - 49RFootballNow - 06-11-2013 04:39 PM
In other news:
I should be a millionaire! I have much more in common with millionaires than I do with poor people.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - Wolfman - 06-11-2013 04:39 PM
They could all move to the Bahamas. More favorable tax laws.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - David Krumudgen - 06-11-2013 04:41 PM
And no you don't have much more in common. In all of this conference realignment no conferences were taken to the next level in total. Each school was hand picked individually
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - goofus - 06-11-2013 04:55 PM
Well, some belong with the Power 5 and some don't
Belong
BYU
UNLV
New Mexico
Colorado State
Boise
Hawaii
San Diego State
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Houston
Don't Belong
Utah State
San Jose State
Fresno State
Wyoming
Nevada
Air Force
Navy
SMU
Memphis
ECU
Tulane
Temple
Tulsa
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - bigblueblindness - 06-11-2013 04:57 PM
At this juncture, UCONN and BYU are similar to the P5. Everybody else has at least one of the following that is lacking enough to not put them in as peer with the rest of the P5:
1. Academics (Boise State, Fresno State, UNLV, San Diego State, Memphis come to mind quickly)
2. Revenue generation (Nevada, Utah State, San Jose State are all at or less than $20 mil annually. That doesn't cut it.)
3. Athletics success/facilities
4. Market/following
5. Duplication of an existing or exhausted market (mainly California, Texas, Florida, and North Carolina Go5 schools)
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - 49RFootballNow - 06-11-2013 04:58 PM
(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)goofus Wrote: Well, some belong with the Power 5 and some don't
Belong
BYU
UNLV
New Mexico
Colorado State
Boise
Hawaii
San Diego State
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Houston
Don't Belong
Utah State
San Jose State
Fresno State
Wyoming
Nevada
Air Force
Navy
SMU
Memphis
ECU
Tulane
Temple
Tulsa
You can do this same breakdown for schools already in P5 conferences too.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - Miami (Oh) Yeah ! - 06-11-2013 05:00 PM
(06-11-2013 04:58 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)goofus Wrote: Well, some belong with the Power 5 and some don't
Belong
BYU
UNLV
New Mexico
Colorado State
Boise
Hawaii
San Diego State
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Houston
Don't Belong
Utah State
San Jose State
Fresno State
Wyoming
Nevada
Air Force
Navy
SMU
Memphis
ECU
Tulane
Temple
Tulsa
You can do this same breakdown for schools already in P5 conferences too.
Iowa State, Wake Forest, Washington State, Boston College, .....
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - UCbball21 - 06-11-2013 05:06 PM
Cincinnati, UConn, and BYU legitimately deserve an invite as of now. Schools like USF, UCF, and Houston still have some work to do but tons of growth potential to warrant an invite in the coming years. Schools like Tulane, Navy, most of the MWC, etc. will never deserve an invite. Programs like ECU, SMU, Memphis, Boise St., SDSU, and Temple are tweeners for a variety of reasons that could potentially earn an invite much farther down the road.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - goofus - 06-11-2013 05:10 PM
(06-11-2013 04:58 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: You can do this same breakdown for schools already in P5 conferences too.
ok, but to keep it short, I will only list the P5 schools that don't belong
Don't Belong
Wake Forest
Wash State
Vanderbilt
Schools that used to never belong but have earned their way in recently
Northwestern
Baylor
Iowa State
TCU
Utah
Rutgers
Louisville
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - UCbball21 - 06-11-2013 05:15 PM
(06-11-2013 05:10 PM)goofus Wrote:(06-11-2013 04:58 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote: You can do this same breakdown for schools already in P5 conferences too.
ok, but to keep it short, I will only list the P5 schools that don't belong
Don't Belong
Wake Forest
Wash State
Vanderbilt
Schools that used to never belong but have earned their way in recently
Northwestern
Baylor
Iowa State
TCU
Utah
Rutgers
Louisville
How the heck has Northwestern earned their way in?
Vandy has done much more in recent years.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - jdgaucho - 06-11-2013 05:17 PM
(06-11-2013 04:34 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote: If the Power 5 do breakaway from the other conferences the Mountain West and AAC need to come with them. We should not be stuck in the same breath as the Conference USA, MAC, and Sun Belt. We have much more in common with the P5 conferences than the 3 conferences listed above. Discuss.
Stop losing to FCS teams, and we'll talk.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - jrj84105 - 06-11-2013 05:19 PM
(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)goofus Wrote: Well, some belong with the Power 5 and some don't
Belong
BYU
UNLV
New Mexico
Colorado State
Boise
Hawaii
San Diego State
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Houston
Don't Belong
Utah State
San Jose State
Fresno State
Wyoming
Nevada
Air Force
Navy
SMU
Memphis
ECU
Tulane
Temple
Tulsa
I agree. I'm still disappointed that we didn't get a best of the rest conference. Maybe once the AAC's one year of BCS money is gone.
I think there is a lot of overlap between the best academic and best athletic programs in the Go5, but there are a few academically strong schools like UAB, Buffalo, UMASS that if they put a little more into athletics might be able to jump into this conference.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - UCbball21 - 06-11-2013 05:20 PM
If dropping conference members was a realistic scenario, the ACC would drop Wake Forest in favor of Cincinnati/UConn and possibly Boston College in favor of UConn. Wouldn't that be nice
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - Kittonhead - 06-11-2013 05:43 PM
I think the MWC and AAC should stick with the other D1 conferences that include the heart and soul of the NCAA basketball tournament.
Move down to FCS and cut football scholarships to 75. Save money on Title IX.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - ecuacc4ever - 06-11-2013 05:51 PM
(06-11-2013 04:55 PM)goofus Wrote: Well, some belong with the Power 5 and some don't
Belong
BYU
Don't Belong
UNLV
New Mexico
Colorado State
Boise
Hawaii
San Diego State
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Houston
Utah State
San Jose State
Fresno State
Wyoming
Nevada
Air Force
Navy
SMU
Memphis
Tulane
Temple
Tulsa
FTFY
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - cleburneslim - 06-11-2013 05:52 PM
You are all on drugs. Lol the drop off between schools is much closer to the top than any of the schools mention. On the field performance and dollars earned and spent yearly.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - MarshallHerdFanz - 06-11-2013 06:32 PM
If the AAC and Mtn. West should join then the rest would.
RE: The Mountain West and American Athletic Conference should breakaway with the Power 5 - Sactowndog - 06-11-2013 07:10 PM
(06-11-2013 04:57 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote: At this juncture, UCONN and BYU are similar to the P5. Everybody else has at least one of the following that is lacking enough to not put them in as peer with the rest of the P5:
1. Academics (Boise State, Fresno State, UNLV, San Diego State, Memphis come to mind quickly)
2. Revenue generation (Nevada, Utah State, San Jose State are all at or less than $20 mil annually. That doesn't cut it.)
3. Athletics success/facilities
4. Market/following
5. Duplication of an existing or exhausted market (mainly California, Texas, Florida, and North Carolina Go5 schools)
Okay this just shows you have some work to do. California is actually on a per population basis one of the most underserved markets in the US behind the Rocky mountain states for college football. The Central Valley/ Fresno area which is 3 hours from LA or SF has no BCS or Pro team and is equivalent in Population to the state of Oklahoma.
I agree that Fresno and SDSU are not tier 1 research University and for that you can thank the UC system which has lobbied to maintain an outdated education model that prohibits the Cal State System (the largest system in the US) form offering doctoral degrees. If college football thinks it is wise to completely disenfranchise the largest education system in the US that says more about the stupidity of college football than it does about the Cal State schools. With 480,000 current students and staff the Cal State System is slightly smaller than the state of Wyoming. If graduates are counted it is a huge population to be excluded.