(03-22-2014 11:30 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Would UH still accept a PAC invite?

(03-22-2014 11:21 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  These 2 reports indicate the PAC12 will be getting much less than previously reported at least early in their contracts.

(03-22-2014 11:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The writer is trying to do the Oregon schools a favor by sending the message, "Please don't stop donating money just because we have a big TV deal," but it's still a lot of money even though he's trying to make it look like less. It's understandable. Someone mentioned on one of the Cal message boards that when the athletic department has been making those calls asking people to increase their donation level, some have been saying things like, "You've got $20 million/year in TV money, why do you need $1,000 more from me?"

Canzano writes that OSU has "$4.3 million in new money" -- he means $4.3 MM more than the $6 MM they got from TV in the last year of the new contract, so they netted $10.3 MM this year after they made $7.8 MM in one-time payments (repaying money loaned by the university and paying off Learfield ) -- which means their TV check from the Pac-12 was $18.1 MM this year, and will get bigger every year because the ESPN/Fox payments get bigger and there are more cable/satellite subscribers for PTN.

But don't let the $1,000 donors know.

(03-23-2014 08:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 11:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The writer is trying to do the Oregon schools a favor by sending the message, "Please don't stop donating money just because we have a big TV deal," but it's still a lot of money even though he's trying to make it look like less. It's understandable. Someone mentioned on one of the Cal message boards that when the athletic department has been making those calls asking people to increase their donation level, some have been saying things like, "You've got $20 million/year in TV money, why do you need $1,000 more from me?"

Canzano writes that OSU has "$4.3 million in new money" -- he means $4.3 MM more than the $6 MM they got from TV in the last year of the new contract, so they netted $10.3 MM this year after they made $7.8 MM in one-time payments (repaying money loaned by the university and paying off Learfield ) -- which means their TV check from the Pac-12 was $18.1 MM this year, and will get bigger every year because the ESPN/Fox payments get bigger and there are more cable/satellite subscribers for PTN.

But don't let the $1,000 donors know.

I think that the highlighted is a very relevant and reasonable question.

(03-23-2014 01:27 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  So right now the SECN isn't going to be paying out all that much to SEC members. Maybe years down the road it will, but going from around $300,000 to the millions the BTN is paying isn't going to happen anytime soon.

(03-23-2014 09:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  SECN is going to be just fine and will be one of many deals that keeps the SEC in the top elites of conference money makers.

(03-23-2014 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 01:27 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  So right now the SECN isn't going to be paying out all that much to SEC members. Maybe years down the road it will, but going from around $300,000 to the millions the BTN is paying isn't going to happen anytime soon.

SEC is still tormented by the fundamentally bad deal it signed with ESPN in 2008. Slive did not foresee the huge leap in value that college sports properties were about to make and he signed the SEC on for what quickly turned out to be too little money and, most crucially, too many years. Slive is called a genius but his 2008 deal is, in terms of dollars foregone, probably the worst single decision any commissioner has ever made.

ESPN knows it took Slive to the cleaners on that deal and of course will not let that windfall slip away. SEC and ESPN can repackage that deal six ways to Sunday and call it the "ESPN Network", and ESPN can let the SEC publicly crow about how many untold Billions that the SEC will make so Slive and the schools can put a happy face on it, but at the end of the day it is still ESPN holding the rights to all that SEC property for decades, and at a price that is WAY below what the SEC could be making had Slive not signed the 2008 deal.

The real bottom line is this: Thanks to Delany smartly creating the BTN in 2006 and Slive stupidly signing on with ESPN for 15+ years in 2008, the B1G will make LOTS more money from media deals between now and 2035 than will the SEC. SEC will be badly underpaid for its media for the next quarter-century.

(03-23-2014 03:25 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 01:27 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  So right now the SECN isn't going to be paying out all that much to SEC members. Maybe years down the road it will, but going from around $300,000 to the millions the BTN is paying isn't going to happen anytime soon.

SEC is still tormented by the fundamentally bad deal it signed with ESPN in 2008. Slive did not foresee the huge leap in value that college sports properties were about to make and he signed the SEC on for what quickly turned out to be too little money and, most crucially, too many years. Slive is called a genius but his 2008 deal is, in terms of dollars foregone, probably the worst single decision any commissioner has ever made.

ESPN knows it took Slive to the cleaners on that deal and of course will not let that windfall slip away. SEC and ESPN can repackage that deal six ways to Sunday and call it the "ESPN Network", and ESPN can let the SEC publicly crow about how many untold Billions that the SEC will make so Slive and the schools can put a happy face on it, but at the end of the day it is still ESPN holding the rights to all that SEC property for decades, and at a price that is WAY below what the SEC could be making had Slive not signed the 2008 deal.

The real bottom line is this: Thanks to Delany smartly creating the BTN in 2006 and Slive stupidly signing on with ESPN for 15+ years in 2008, the B1G will make LOTS more money from media deals between now and 2035 than will the SEC. SEC will be badly underpaid for its media for the next quarter-century.

I'm starting to wonder if ESPN will just let the B1G have their way? Spend $ on the NBA instead. Sure they will package with Fox for some B1G, but not much.

(03-23-2014 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 01:27 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  So right now the SECN isn't going to be paying out all that much to SEC members. Maybe years down the road it will, but going from around $300,000 to the millions the BTN is paying isn't going to happen anytime soon.

SEC is still tormented by the fundamentally bad deal it signed with ESPN in 2008. Slive did not foresee the huge leap in value that college sports properties were about to make and he signed the SEC on for what quickly turned out to be too little money and, most crucially, too many years. Slive is called a genius but his 2008 deal is, in terms of dollars foregone, probably the worst single decision any commissioner has ever made.

ESPN knows it took Slive to the cleaners on that deal and of course will not let that windfall slip away. SEC and ESPN can repackage that deal six ways to Sunday and call it the "SEC Network" so the SEC can act like it is in charge of it, and ESPN can let the SEC publicly crow about how many untold Billions that the SEC will make so Slive and the schools can put a happy face on it, but at the end of the day it is still ESPN holding the rights to all that SEC property for decades, and at a price that is WAY below what the SEC could be making had Slive not signed the 2008 deal.

The real bottom line is this: Thanks to Delany smartly creating the BTN in 2006 and Slive stupidly signing on with ESPN for 15+ years in 2008, the B1G will make LOTS more money from media deals between now and 2035 than will the SEC. SEC will be badly underpaid for its media for the next quarter-century.

(03-24-2014 09:10 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 02:00 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-23-2014 01:27 PM)Tbringer Wrote:  So right now the SECN isn't going to be paying out all that much to SEC members. Maybe years down the road it will, but going from around $300,000 to the millions the BTN is paying isn't going to happen anytime soon.

SEC is still tormented by the fundamentally bad deal it signed with ESPN in 2008. Slive did not foresee the huge leap in value that college sports properties were about to make and he signed the SEC on for what quickly turned out to be too little money and, most crucially, too many years. Slive is called a genius but his 2008 deal is, in terms of dollars foregone, probably the worst single decision any commissioner has ever made.

ESPN knows it took Slive to the cleaners on that deal and of course will not let that windfall slip away. SEC and ESPN can repackage that deal six ways to Sunday and call it the "SEC Network" so the SEC can act like it is in charge of it, and ESPN can let the SEC publicly crow about how many untold Billions that the SEC will make so Slive and the schools can put a happy face on it, but at the end of the day it is still ESPN holding the rights to all that SEC property for decades, and at a price that is WAY below what the SEC could be making had Slive not signed the 2008 deal.

The real bottom line is this: Thanks to Delany smartly creating the BTN in 2006 and Slive stupidly signing on with ESPN for 15+ years in 2008, the B1G will make LOTS more money from media deals between now and 2035 than will the SEC. SEC will be badly underpaid for its media for the next quarter-century.

This is absolutely true. Everyone knows the ACC is under a bad deal from 2010, because the PAC deal came immediately after it, and because the ACC deal was less than the SEC deal.

But the SEC deal is even worse, relative to the value of the SEC. Yes, the SEC was was for a little more than the ACC's, but the SEC's value is sky high.

Waiting to see how it plays out, but that's the thing that has always tempered SEC Network projections in my mind. The SEC had very little leverage. ESPN owned all the content they wanted (minus the CBS games) and the 2008 contract specifically precluded an SEC Network.

The SEC Network will certainly be successful and profitable to the SEC, but at all times you have to keep in mind that it was on ESPN's terms, which to me limits the upside compared to the BTN or even potentially the PAC Networks.

It also would be the same with any potential ACC network obviously.

(03-22-2014 11:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The writer is trying to do the Oregon schools a favor by sending the message, "Please don't stop donating money just because we have a big TV deal," but it's still a lot of money even though he's trying to make it look like less. It's understandable. Someone mentioned on one of the Cal message boards that when the athletic department has been making those calls asking people to increase their donation level, some have been saying things like, "You've got $20 million/year in TV money, why do you need $1,000 more from me?"

Canzano writes that OSU has "$4.3 million in new money" -- he means $4.3 MM more than the $6 MM they got from TV in the last year of the new contract, so they netted $10.3 MM this year after they made $7.8 MM in one-time payments (repaying money loaned by the university and paying off Learfield ) -- which means their TV check from the Pac-12 was $18.1 MM this year, and will get bigger every year because the ESPN/Fox payments get bigger and there are more cable/satellite subscribers for PTN.

But don't let the $1,000 donors know.

(03-24-2014 11:16 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-22-2014 11:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The writer is trying to do the Oregon schools a favor by sending the message, "Please don't stop donating money just because we have a big TV deal," but it's still a lot of money even though he's trying to make it look like less. It's understandable. Someone mentioned on one of the Cal message boards that when the athletic department has been making those calls asking people to increase their donation level, some have been saying things like, "You've got $20 million/year in TV money, why do you need $1,000 more from me?"

Canzano writes that OSU has "$4.3 million in new money" -- he means $4.3 MM more than the $6 MM they got from TV in the last year of the new contract, so they netted $10.3 MM this year after they made $7.8 MM in one-time payments (repaying money loaned by the university and paying off Learfield ) -- which means their TV check from the Pac-12 was $18.1 MM this year, and will get bigger every year because the ESPN/Fox payments get bigger and there are more cable/satellite subscribers for PTN.

But don't let the $1,000 donors know.

Excellent post.