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RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - ECUGrad07 - 03-07-2018 10:22 AM
Take it for what it's worth... but over on the Wake Forest message board, they are also talking about who they will hire whenever Danny Manning gets fired. They are pretty much in consensus that they want Wes freaking Miller from UNCG.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - k-vegasbuc - 03-07-2018 10:44 AM
(03-07-2018 10:22 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote: Take it for what it's worth... but over on the Wake Forest message board, they are also talking about who they will hire whenever Danny Manning gets fired. They are pretty much in consensus that they want Wes freaking Miller from UNCG.
The guy's had a heck of a season, but if I'm Wake, I shoot much higher than a guy that's had 5 bad years and 2 really good ones. I think Wes has to show he can maintain that a little longer, but you can't deny he's won some big games this year. If I'm Wake and with their resources, I'm reaching out to people like Crean and JTIII who are realistic candidates for them. The coach at Iona is pretty darn good too.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - WsU Tang Clan - 03-07-2018 11:20 AM
John Thompson III
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - shock - 03-07-2018 12:33 PM
(03-07-2018 06:57 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:(03-06-2018 11:18 PM)shock Wrote:(03-06-2018 10:39 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:My bad. I thought schools in the AAC were committed to excellence. Hiring Dooley would be committing to mediocrity. But you’re right; he is marginally better than Lebo.(03-06-2018 10:09 PM)shock Wrote: What has Dooley done with FGCU? He would blue ball you to death because he would never be able to get you over .500 in conference play.
Ok, I'll bite. There certainly can be an argument to be made about the level of competition that they play in their conference. That being said as far as what has done at FGCU? He's won 66% of his games, won 3 conference championships (finishing 2nd the other 2 years) and gone to the post season every year. Compared with what we had with Lebo, I think it's night and day. As an assistant he was ranked the number 4 recruiter in the nation, I think he could really elevate our recruiting particularly when it comes to bringing in bigs which is what we sorely need. While nothing is guaranteed, we could do a lot worse than Dooley, all this assuming we can land him since it appears several schools are reaching out.
Let me ask you, then, what realistic candidates do you think we should pursue that would be "committing to excellence?" You'll be hard pressed to find another low to mid-major coach with his resume, including working 10 years as an assistant to one of the best coaches in the country with a national championship ring.
Dooley took over a 26-11 team and turned in seasons of 22-13, 22-14, 26-8, 23-11. Not a builder, he is a sustainer at best.
Earl Grant took over a 14-18 team and turned in 9-24, 17-14, 25-10, 26-7. Builder.
Steve Forbes took over a 16-14 team and turned in 24-12, 27-8, 25-9. Builder.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - NBPirate - 03-07-2018 12:46 PM
(03-07-2018 11:20 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote: John Thompson III
Lol, no, no thank you.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - HuskyU - 03-07-2018 12:51 PM
(03-07-2018 12:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 11:20 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote: John Thompson III
Lol, no, no thank you.
LOL at ECU fans saying no thank you to JT3.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - k-vegasbuc - 03-07-2018 01:05 PM
(03-07-2018 12:33 PM)shock Wrote:(03-07-2018 06:57 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:(03-06-2018 11:18 PM)shock Wrote:(03-06-2018 10:39 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:My bad. I thought schools in the AAC were committed to excellence. Hiring Dooley would be committing to mediocrity. But you’re right; he is marginally better than Lebo.(03-06-2018 10:09 PM)shock Wrote: What has Dooley done with FGCU? He would blue ball you to death because he would never be able to get you over .500 in conference play.
Ok, I'll bite. There certainly can be an argument to be made about the level of competition that they play in their conference. That being said as far as what has done at FGCU? He's won 66% of his games, won 3 conference championships (finishing 2nd the other 2 years) and gone to the post season every year. Compared with what we had with Lebo, I think it's night and day. As an assistant he was ranked the number 4 recruiter in the nation, I think he could really elevate our recruiting particularly when it comes to bringing in bigs which is what we sorely need. While nothing is guaranteed, we could do a lot worse than Dooley, all this assuming we can land him since it appears several schools are reaching out.
Let me ask you, then, what realistic candidates do you think we should pursue that would be "committing to excellence?" You'll be hard pressed to find another low to mid-major coach with his resume, including working 10 years as an assistant to one of the best coaches in the country with a national championship ring.
Dooley took over a 26-11 team and turned in seasons of 22-13, 22-14, 26-8, 23-11. Not a builder, he is a sustainer at best.
Earl Grant took over a 14-18 team and turned in 9-24, 17-14, 25-10, 26-7. Builder.
Steve Forbes took over a 16-14 team and turned in 24-12, 27-8, 25-9. Builder.
Both are good candidates but I don't see a massive difference to classify them as excellence but not Dooley. That being said Forbes just signed an extension with a $500,000 by out, basically saying he is not leaving until a big offer comes his way, so he is not a "realistic" candidate for us. That leaves Grant and Dooley on the list. I'm not going to argue either since both have very good records but they do have a different style of play. Dooley plays a much faster pace relying on high percentage shots which I do think favors our situation a little bit more than Grant but I would be really happy with him too.
Interesting fact, both Grant and Dooley played Wichita this year. Grant lost 81-63 and Dooley lost 75-65 with the score being tied with a little over 4 minutes left in the game.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - k-vegasbuc - 03-07-2018 01:06 PM
(03-07-2018 12:51 PM)HuskyU Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 11:20 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote: John Thompson III
Lol, no, no thank you.
LOL at ECU fans saying no thank you to JT3.
Yeah I don't think ECU would ever turn down JT3 but you know as well as I do he's not coming to Greenville.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - WsU Tang Clan - 03-07-2018 01:07 PM
(03-07-2018 01:06 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:51 PM)HuskyU Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 11:20 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote: John Thompson III
Lol, no, no thank you.
LOL at ECU fans saying no thank you to JT3.
Yeah I don't think ECU would ever turn down JT3 but you know as well as I do he's not coming to Greenville.
A guy can dream, right?
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - NBPirate - 03-07-2018 01:07 PM
(03-07-2018 12:51 PM)HuskyU Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 11:20 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote: John Thompson III
Lol, no, no thank you.
LOL at ECU fans saying no thank you to JT3.
I also went to Georgetown, not sure if you noticed that or not. I do not want him affiliated with any of my other programs either.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - WsU Tang Clan - 03-07-2018 01:09 PM
(03-07-2018 12:51 PM)HuskyU Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 11:20 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote: John Thompson III
Lol, no, no thank you.
LOL at ECU fans saying no thank you to JT3.
He had a pretty good track record at G'town.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - NBPirate - 03-07-2018 01:25 PM
(03-07-2018 01:09 PM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:51 PM)HuskyU Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 11:20 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote: John Thompson III
Lol, no, no thank you.
LOL at ECU fans saying no thank you to JT3.
He had a pretty good track record at G'town.
He missed the tournament and finished 8th and 9th in the league his last two years at a school with the 2nd highest budget in all of college basketball. He played an uninspiring brand of Princeton basketball that was making it difficult to recruit top-flight talent.
ECU needs a hungry up and comer, not a retread.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - shock - 03-07-2018 02:06 PM
(03-07-2018 01:25 PM)NBPirate Wrote:i agree(03-07-2018 01:09 PM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:51 PM)HuskyU Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 11:20 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote: John Thompson III
Lol, no, no thank you.
LOL at ECU fans saying no thank you to JT3.
He had a pretty good track record at G'town.
He missed the tournament and finished 8th and 9th in the league his last two years at a school with the 2nd highest budget in all of college basketball. He played an uninspiring brand of Princeton basketball that was making it difficult to recruit top-flight talent.
ECU needs a hungry up and comer, not a retread.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - bluesox - 03-07-2018 03:41 PM
Tubby Smith ?
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - Tampa Bay Tiger - 03-07-2018 03:49 PM
tubby time
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - DownEastPirate - 03-07-2018 04:07 PM
(03-07-2018 12:33 PM)shock Wrote:(03-07-2018 06:57 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:(03-06-2018 11:18 PM)shock Wrote:(03-06-2018 10:39 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:My bad. I thought schools in the AAC were committed to excellence. Hiring Dooley would be committing to mediocrity. But you’re right; he is marginally better than Lebo.(03-06-2018 10:09 PM)shock Wrote: What has Dooley done with FGCU? He would blue ball you to death because he would never be able to get you over .500 in conference play.
Ok, I'll bite. There certainly can be an argument to be made about the level of competition that they play in their conference. That being said as far as what has done at FGCU? He's won 66% of his games, won 3 conference championships (finishing 2nd the other 2 years) and gone to the post season every year. Compared with what we had with Lebo, I think it's night and day. As an assistant he was ranked the number 4 recruiter in the nation, I think he could really elevate our recruiting particularly when it comes to bringing in bigs which is what we sorely need. While nothing is guaranteed, we could do a lot worse than Dooley, all this assuming we can land him since it appears several schools are reaching out.
Let me ask you, then, what realistic candidates do you think we should pursue that would be "committing to excellence?" You'll be hard pressed to find another low to mid-major coach with his resume, including working 10 years as an assistant to one of the best coaches in the country with a national championship ring.
Dooley took over a 26-11 team and turned in seasons of 22-13, 22-14, 26-8, 23-11. Not a builder, he is a sustainer at best.
Earl Grant took over a 14-18 team and turned in 9-24, 17-14, 25-10, 26-7. Builder.
Steve Forbes took over a 16-14 team and turned in 24-12, 27-8, 25-9. Builder.
Lol you can't penalize Joe Dooley for taking over a job that isn't a dumpster fire. Was Roy Williams not a good coach at Kansas cause he took over after Larry Brown won a Natty? I guess he was just a sustainer at best. Or for that matter is Bill Self just a sustainer cause he took over after a 30-8 Roy Williams season?
That is just a flawed argument. The guy is averaging 23 wins a year, been to 5 straight post season tournaments and hasn't finished below 2nd in his conference. Give me a break.
Not to say the other two wouldn't be great choices here but to minimize the job Dooley has done at an otherwise obscure school is impressive. If anything Dooley is the builder, one great season from Andy Enfield does not constitute building something. Dooley won with Enfields kids and kept on winning once they were all his kids.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - MU88 - 03-07-2018 04:31 PM
(03-07-2018 01:25 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 01:09 PM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:51 PM)HuskyU Wrote:(03-07-2018 12:46 PM)NBPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 11:20 AM)WsU Tang Clan Wrote: John Thompson III
Lol, no, no thank you.
LOL at ECU fans saying no thank you to JT3.
He had a pretty good track record at G'town.
He missed the tournament and finished 8th and 9th in the league his last two years at a school with the 2nd highest budget in all of college basketball. He played an uninspiring brand of Princeton basketball that was making it difficult to recruit top-flight talent.
ECU needs a hungry up and comer, not a retread.
JTIII could recruit players. However, he started recruiting guys who, while talented, didn't fit his system. Consequently, his teams struggled. That said, I don't think he would be a good fit at ECU. You aren't going to attract a stream of top 100 kids to ECU. Need a guy that can get players that fit his system. Doesn't have to be a slow it down guy. Would be nice if the coach had some connections in the area. Unfortunately, a lot of hot low mid-major guys are in the midwest.
TJ Otzelburger at SD State would be a coup. However, he is a midwest guy and I think he is looking for a higher profile program for his next job. The guy at Drake did an incredible job this year (Drake's second winning conference record in the past 32 years) Previously, he was the head guy at Furman for a number of years and had a lot of success there. But, I don't think he would leave Drake for ECU after only one year. Smith at South Dakota also has done well over the passed few years, although he may be in line for the Colorado State job. I would stay away from the guy at Loyola, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. One good year after years of failure are not a good sign. The guys at Ashville and Charleston seem to be hot right now. Either one may be a good hire.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - shock - 03-07-2018 04:47 PM
(03-07-2018 04:07 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:Biiiiiiggg difference in conference/program there. I get it though. We had programs like ECU in the Valley, too, who scoffed at effort. Hell, most of them just hired each others coaches when they were fired. Getting back with an ex though, I don’t think any of them cared that little.(03-07-2018 12:33 PM)shock Wrote:(03-07-2018 06:57 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:(03-06-2018 11:18 PM)shock Wrote:(03-06-2018 10:39 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote: Ok, I'll bite. There certainly can be an argument to be made about the level of competition that they play in their conference. That being said as far as what has done at FGCU? He's won 66% of his games, won 3 conference championships (finishing 2nd the other 2 years) and gone to the post season every year. Compared with what we had with Lebo, I think it's night and day. As an assistant he was ranked the number 4 recruiter in the nation, I think he could really elevate our recruiting particularly when it comes to bringing in bigs which is what we sorely need. While nothing is guaranteed, we could do a lot worse than Dooley, all this assuming we can land him since it appears several schools are reaching out.My bad. I thought schools in the AAC were committed to excellence. Hiring Dooley would be committing to mediocrity. But you’re right; he is marginally better than Lebo.
Let me ask you, then, what realistic candidates do you think we should pursue that would be "committing to excellence?" You'll be hard pressed to find another low to mid-major coach with his resume, including working 10 years as an assistant to one of the best coaches in the country with a national championship ring.
Dooley took over a 26-11 team and turned in seasons of 22-13, 22-14, 26-8, 23-11. Not a builder, he is a sustainer at best.
Earl Grant took over a 14-18 team and turned in 9-24, 17-14, 25-10, 26-7. Builder.
Steve Forbes took over a 16-14 team and turned in 24-12, 27-8, 25-9. Builder.
Lol you can't penalize Joe Dooley for taking over a job that isn't a dumpster fire. Was Roy Williams not a good coach at Kansas cause he took over after Larry Brown won a Natty? I guess he was just a sustainer at best. Or for that matter is Bill Self just a sustainer cause he took over after a 30-8 Roy Williams season?
That is just a flawed argument. The guy is averaging 23 wins a year, been to 5 straight post season tournaments and hasn't finished below 2nd in his conference. Give me a break.
Not to say the other two wouldn't be great choices here but to minimize the job Dooley has done at an otherwise obscure school is impressive. If anything Dooley is the builder, one great season from Andy Enfield does not constitute building something. Dooley won with Enfields kids and kept on winning once they were all his kids.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - DownEastPirate - 03-07-2018 05:14 PM
(03-07-2018 04:47 PM)shock Wrote:(03-07-2018 04:07 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:Biiiiiiggg difference in conference/program there. I get it though. We had programs like ECU in the Valley, too, who scoffed at effort. Hell, most of them just hired each others coaches when they were fired. Getting back with an ex though, I don’t think any of them cared that little.(03-07-2018 12:33 PM)shock Wrote:(03-07-2018 06:57 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:(03-06-2018 11:18 PM)shock Wrote: My bad. I thought schools in the AAC were committed to excellence. Hiring Dooley would be committing to mediocrity. But you’re right; he is marginally better than Lebo.
Let me ask you, then, what realistic candidates do you think we should pursue that would be "committing to excellence?" You'll be hard pressed to find another low to mid-major coach with his resume, including working 10 years as an assistant to one of the best coaches in the country with a national championship ring.
Dooley took over a 26-11 team and turned in seasons of 22-13, 22-14, 26-8, 23-11. Not a builder, he is a sustainer at best.
Earl Grant took over a 14-18 team and turned in 9-24, 17-14, 25-10, 26-7. Builder.
Steve Forbes took over a 16-14 team and turned in 24-12, 27-8, 25-9. Builder.
Lol you can't penalize Joe Dooley for taking over a job that isn't a dumpster fire. Was Roy Williams not a good coach at Kansas cause he took over after Larry Brown won a Natty? I guess he was just a sustainer at best. Or for that matter is Bill Self just a sustainer cause he took over after a 30-8 Roy Williams season?
That is just a flawed argument. The guy is averaging 23 wins a year, been to 5 straight post season tournaments and hasn't finished below 2nd in his conference. Give me a break.
Not to say the other two wouldn't be great choices here but to minimize the job Dooley has done at an otherwise obscure school is impressive. If anything Dooley is the builder, one great season from Andy Enfield does not constitute building something. Dooley won with Enfields kids and kept on winning once they were all his kids.
I forgot some of the Wheat Pickers are the world experts on all things college basketball.
I assume Dooley being at one of the best basketball programs in the history of college basketball for 10 years has something to do with you not being fond of him. To each his own.
RE: ECU's next Basketball Coach? - shock - 03-07-2018 06:21 PM
(03-07-2018 05:14 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:(03-07-2018 04:47 PM)shock Wrote:(03-07-2018 04:07 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:Biiiiiiggg difference in conference/program there. I get it though. We had programs like ECU in the Valley, too, who scoffed at effort. Hell, most of them just hired each others coaches when they were fired. Getting back with an ex though, I don’t think any of them cared that little.(03-07-2018 12:33 PM)shock Wrote:(03-07-2018 06:57 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote: Let me ask you, then, what realistic candidates do you think we should pursue that would be "committing to excellence?" You'll be hard pressed to find another low to mid-major coach with his resume, including working 10 years as an assistant to one of the best coaches in the country with a national championship ring.
Dooley took over a 26-11 team and turned in seasons of 22-13, 22-14, 26-8, 23-11. Not a builder, he is a sustainer at best.
Earl Grant took over a 14-18 team and turned in 9-24, 17-14, 25-10, 26-7. Builder.
Steve Forbes took over a 16-14 team and turned in 24-12, 27-8, 25-9. Builder.
Lol you can't penalize Joe Dooley for taking over a job that isn't a dumpster fire. Was Roy Williams not a good coach at Kansas cause he took over after Larry Brown won a Natty? I guess he was just a sustainer at best. Or for that matter is Bill Self just a sustainer cause he took over after a 30-8 Roy Williams season?
That is just a flawed argument. The guy is averaging 23 wins a year, been to 5 straight post season tournaments and hasn't finished below 2nd in his conference. Give me a break.
Not to say the other two wouldn't be great choices here but to minimize the job Dooley has done at an otherwise obscure school is impressive. If anything Dooley is the builder, one great season from Andy Enfield does not constitute building something. Dooley won with Enfields kids and kept on winning once they were all his kids.
I forgot some of the Wheat Pickers are the world experts on all things college basketball.
I assume Dooley being at one of the best basketball programs in the history of college basketball for 10 years has something to do with you not being fond of him. To each his own.
Self is a terrible developer of talent. Awful. The only impact NBA player that ever played for Self is Embiid. And he gets a burger boys like Dairy Whip.