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Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - MrCincy - 02-23-2018 01:22 PM
I assume the U. Texas is going to join the Pac 12 or go Independent. if that happens the Big 12 should add 7 schools.
West Div.: Okla. State, Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas tech, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF.
East Div.: W. Virginia, UConn, Temple, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Memphis.
On the other hand, who knows what is going to happen in 2024??
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - dsquare - 02-23-2018 01:51 PM
Oklahoma will likely be the first to jump ship.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - nachoman91 - 02-23-2018 01:56 PM
(02-23-2018 01:22 PM)MrCincy Wrote: I assume the U. Texas is going to join the Pac 12 or go Independent. if that happens the Big 12 should add 7 schools.
West Div.: Okla. State, Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas tech, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF.
East Div.: W. Virginia, UConn, Temple, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Memphis.
On the other hand, who knows what is going to happen in 2024??
This should go on the conference realignment board but since it's Friday I'll take the bait and respond.
Nothing big like this will happen before 2024 when the Big12 tier one tv contract is up. ESPN is required to match tier one money for every school they add and they'll never add that kind of money for a bunch of schools they value way less right now. And without Texas in the league, ESPN will value the conference as a whole alot less. Plus, they already have these other schools locked up for less money in the AAC contract so why would they pay more.
If in 2024 Texas does leave then this scenario is possible but the conference's new contract will be significantly reduced. And more than likely, if Texas leaves you'll see Oklahoma and potentially other schools look for greener pasture.
This scenario is UC's most likely hope to improve their conference situation. But the new conference will more than likely look like this:
Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF, W. Virginia, UConn, Temple, Iowa State, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Memphis.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - Former Lurker - 02-23-2018 02:40 PM
(02-23-2018 01:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:(02-23-2018 01:22 PM)MrCincy Wrote: I assume the U. Texas is going to join the Pac 12 or go Independent. if that happens the Big 12 should add 7 schools.
West Div.: Okla. State, Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas tech, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF.
East Div.: W. Virginia, UConn, Temple, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Memphis.
On the other hand, who knows what is going to happen in 2024??
This should go on the conference realignment board but since it's Friday I'll take the bait and respond.
Nothing big like this will happen before 2024 when the Big12 tier one tv contract is up. ESPN is required to match tier one money for every school they add and they'll never add that kind of money for a bunch of schools they value way less right now. And without Texas in the league, ESPN will value the conference as a whole alot less. Plus, they already have these other schools locked up for less money in the AAC contract so why would they pay more.
If in 2024 Texas does leave then this scenario is possible but the conference's new contract will be significantly reduced. And more than likely, if Texas leaves you'll see Oklahoma and potentially other schools look for greener pasture.
This scenario is UC's most likely hope to improve their conference situation. But the new conference will more than likely look like this:
Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF, W. Virginia, UConn, Temple, Iowa State, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Memphis.
The key is whether a "new" B12 sans Texas and Oklahoma will keep its automatic NY6 bowl bid, or have it stripped away and given to another conference, as happened to the old BE. In other words, will CFB be left with a P4 vs. G6 arrangement? If the conference has a bid, that will drive viewers to its games, increasing the value of the TV rights. If not, then it will be just another G6 conference, and things will get ugly fast.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - doss2 - 02-23-2018 02:49 PM
(02-23-2018 01:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:(02-23-2018 01:22 PM)MrCincy Wrote: I assume the U. Texas is going to join the Pac 12 or go Independent. if that happens the Big 12 should add 7 schools.
West Div.: Okla. State, Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas tech, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF.
East Div.: W. Virginia, UConn, Temple, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Memphis.
On the other hand, who knows what is going to happen in 2024??
This should go on the conference realignment board but since it's Friday I'll take the bait and respond.
Nothing big like this will happen before 2024 when the Big12 tier one tv contract is up. ESPN is required to match tier one money for every school they add and they'll never add that kind of money for a bunch of schools they value way less right now. And without Texas in the league, ESPN will value the conference as a whole alot less. Plus, they already have these other schools locked up for less money in the AAC contract so why would they pay more.
If in 2024 Texas does leave then this scenario is possible but the conference's new contract will be significantly reduced. And more than likely, if Texas leaves you'll see Oklahoma and potentially other schools look for greener pasture.
This scenario is UC's most likely hope to improve their conference situation. But the new conference will more than likely look like this:
Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF, W. Virginia, UConn, Temple, Iowa State, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Memphis.
Yes, TX, OK, OKS and KS will depart.
Your count has 13 so add one or remove one.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - Topkat - 02-23-2018 03:38 PM
(02-23-2018 02:49 PM)doss2 Wrote:(02-23-2018 01:56 PM)nachoman91 Wrote:(02-23-2018 01:22 PM)MrCincy Wrote: I assume the U. Texas is going to join the Pac 12 or go Independent. if that happens the Big 12 should add 7 schools.
West Div.: Okla. State, Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas tech, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF.
East Div.: W. Virginia, UConn, Temple, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Memphis.
On the other hand, who knows what is going to happen in 2024??
This should go on the conference realignment board but since it's Friday I'll take the bait and respond.
Nothing big like this will happen before 2024 when the Big12 tier one tv contract is up. ESPN is required to match tier one money for every school they add and they'll never add that kind of money for a bunch of schools they value way less right now. And without Texas in the league, ESPN will value the conference as a whole alot less. Plus, they already have these other schools locked up for less money in the AAC contract so why would they pay more.
If in 2024 Texas does leave then this scenario is possible but the conference's new contract will be significantly reduced. And more than likely, if Texas leaves you'll see Oklahoma and potentially other schools look for greener pasture.
This scenario is UC's most likely hope to improve their conference situation. But the new conference will more than likely look like this:
Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston, USF, UCF, W. Virginia, UConn, Temple, Iowa State, Kansas State, Cincinnati, Memphis.
Yes, TX, OK, OKS and KS will depart.
Your count has 13 so add one or remove one.
I always enjoy realignment threads, even if they never happen.
I wouldn't think the midwest schools would be thrilled going as far east as Temple and UConn. So, I would sub those two out and move in BYU and Colo St.
That still leaves you with 13 so maybe add one more with some TV clout (everything is relative to what is left to choose from)... Boise St.
Strung out geographically, but creative scheduling could work in the non-football sports.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - djtothemoney - 02-23-2018 04:20 PM
Screw the Big 12. Once the big schools in the Big 12 leave their package will be the same as the American.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - jarr - 02-23-2018 04:30 PM
What makes KU so sexy to the B10 and other conferences. Their football program is one of the worst in all of FBS including the G5. I thought basketball was a non factor?
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - RuckleSt - 02-23-2018 05:02 PM
(02-23-2018 04:30 PM)jarr Wrote: What makes KU so sexy to the B10 and other conferences. Their football program is one of the worst in all of FBS including the G5. I thought basketball was a non factor?
Location, Lawrence, Kansas is a highly desirable media market .
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - Bearcats#1 - 02-23-2018 05:49 PM
lol here we go....
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - rtaylor - 02-23-2018 05:59 PM
(02-23-2018 04:20 PM)djtothemoney Wrote: Screw the Big 12. Once the big schools in the Big 12 leave their package will be the same as the American.
We in the AAC will still have the biggest package.around.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - RedRocker - 02-23-2018 06:13 PM
(02-23-2018 05:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: lol here we go....
X2
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - bearcatmill - 02-23-2018 11:38 PM
(02-23-2018 05:59 PM)rtaylor Wrote:(02-23-2018 04:20 PM)djtothemoney Wrote: Screw the Big 12. Once the big schools in the Big 12 leave their package will be the same as the American.
We in the AAC will still have the biggest package.around.
I think there's a joke in there somewhere
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - bearcatdp - 02-24-2018 12:15 AM
(02-23-2018 05:02 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:(02-23-2018 04:30 PM)jarr Wrote: What makes KU so sexy to the B10 and other conferences. Their football program is one of the worst in all of FBS including the G5. I thought basketball was a non factor?
Location, Lawrence, Kansas is a highly desirable media market .
They are only 30 miles or so away from Topeka. In 2023, aren't the two media markets merging to make them a metropolis? That would be a huge market addition for the Big (four)Te(e)n.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - nachoman91 - 02-26-2018 08:20 AM
(02-23-2018 05:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: lol here we go....
Says the guy who had sources basically guaranteeing UC in the Big 12 more than a year ago.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - Cat-Man - 02-26-2018 08:48 AM
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RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - Bearcats#1 - 02-26-2018 08:58 AM
(02-26-2018 08:20 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:(02-23-2018 05:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: lol here we go....
Says the guy who had sources basically guaranteeing UC in the Big 12 more than a year ago.
Let's not revisit that crapshow.
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - CliftonAve - 02-26-2018 09:07 AM
(02-26-2018 08:20 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:(02-23-2018 05:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: lol here we go....
Says the guy who had sources basically guaranteeing UC in the Big 12 more than a year ago.
In fairness to BC#1, UC thought they were in. What I've heard at many levels they were given assurances they were in. The fact of the matter is UC along with other programs got caught in a game being played by the Big 12 in order to leverage a buyout of the pro-rata clause in their media deal. Remember, the way the Big 12's contract was originally written if they added any more teams the networks would have matched the per team rate (meaning none of the members took a pay decrease). Instead, the Big 12 craftily negotiated a buyout of that clause which resulted in more cash for the 10 members of the conference.
The Big 12 is not going to expand from 10 until someone in that conference leaves. The ACC, B10, SEC and Pac12 are not going to add anyone from the AAC (namely us or UConn). They are sitting in the cat bird seat right now waiting for the Big 12 to implode so they can possibly pick up some pieces. Nothing is likely to happen for several more years when the Big 12 deal is up for negotiations (I believe 2024).
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - Bruce Monnin - 02-26-2018 09:07 AM
(02-26-2018 08:48 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:
I am a big fan of Henry Winkler in the show "Better Late Than Never".
RE: Big 12 Conf. Future Smart move - Bearcats#1 - 02-26-2018 09:16 AM
(02-26-2018 09:07 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:(02-26-2018 08:20 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:(02-23-2018 05:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: lol here we go....
Says the guy who had sources basically guaranteeing UC in the Big 12 more than a year ago.
In fairness to BC#1, UC thought they were in. What I've heard at many levels they were given assurances they were in. The fact of the matter is UC along with other programs got caught in a game being played by the Big 12 in order to leverage a buyout of the pro-rata clause in their media deal. Remember, the way the Big 12's contract was originally written if they added any more teams the networks would have matched the per team rate (meaning none of the members took a pay decrease). Instead, the Big 12 craftily negotiated a buyout of that clause which resulted in more cash for the 10 members of the conference.
The Big 12 is not going to expand from 10 until someone in that conference leaves. The ACC, B10, SEC and Pac12 are not going to add anyone from the AAC (namely us or UConn). They are sitting in the cat bird seat right now waiting for the Big 12 to implode so they can possibly pick up some pieces. Nothing is likely to happen for several more years when the Big 12 deal is up for negotiations (I believe 2024).
I know the B12 did what you posted here. My question was always, was this their plan from Day 1 or was this an audible they called when BYU was submarined with the LGBT stuff.
My understanding was that BYU was their #1 option and UC was the "throw in" to bring in an even number. UC was voted as 'acceptable' because they were all happy to get BYU. ESPN knew this and didn't want Fox to benefit from the expanded conference so they submarined BYU with the LGBT deal in public making them untouchable to the B12. Once BYU fell off the radar and it was then going to be UC as the lead dog plus an additional member, they couldn't agree on the additional member and so they called an audible, made a crap show out of the whole deal to make ESPN think they were still going forward with the plan to expand (with no intention of it) and in process bent ESPN over.
That is what I think went down but its just based on piecing all the comments together along with things that made no sense at the time, like the opening up for programs to come 'interview' and then finding out that some teams didn't' even get to present etc.
Who knows. But you are right in the base comment, UC thought they were in. Period.