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Final Coaches Poll - IWokeUpLikeThis - 04-03-2018 01:44 PM
http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/
1 Villanova
2 Michigan
3 Kansas
4 Duke
5 Virginia
6 Texas Tech
7 Loyola-Chicago
8 Xavier
9 Purdue
10 Gonzaga
11 Michigan State
12 Cincinnati
13 West Virginia
14 North Carolina
15 Clemson
16 Tennessee
17 Kentucky
18 Florida State
19 Kansas State
20 Nevada
21 Ohio State
22 Houston
23 Auburn
24 Texas A&M
25 Wichita State
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26 Syracuse
27 Rhode Island
28 Arizona
29 Florida
30 Penn State
31 Butler
32 Buffalo
33 Seton Hall
34 Saint Mary’s
35 MD Baltimore County
I would flip MD Baltimore County into top 25. Beat a 2-loss #1 ranked team that won ACC by 4 games...by 20.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - loki_the_bubba - 04-03-2018 04:26 PM
6 non-P6 in the top 25, 4 more in the next 10.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - jacksfan29 - 04-03-2018 06:30 PM
(04-03-2018 01:44 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/
1 Villanova
2 Michigan
3 Kansas
4 Duke
5 Virginia
6 Texas Tech
7 Loyola-Chicago
8 Xavier
9 Purdue
10 Gonzaga
11 Michigan State
12 Cincinnati
13 West Virginia
14 North Carolina
15 Clemson
16 Tennessee
17 Kentucky
18 Florida State
19 Kansas State
20 Nevada
21 Ohio State
22 Houston
23 Auburn
24 Texas A&M
25 Wichita State
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26 Syracuse
27 Rhode Island
28 Arizona
29 Florida
30 Penn State
31 Butler
32 Buffalo
33 Seton Hall
34 Saint Mary’s
35 MD Baltimore County
I would flip MD Baltimore County into top 25. Beat a 2-loss #1 ranked team that won ACC by 4 games...by 20.
Sorry but UMBC getting votes is why everyone makes fun of the coaches poll.
http://umbcretrievers.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Everyone catches lightening in a bottle, once. A team that loses to Albany by 44 is not a team who should be receiving votes in any poll.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - msm96wolf - 04-03-2018 06:32 PM
Once again, polls are for TV. The real deal is the # of NCAA bids.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - Lord Stanley - 04-03-2018 06:45 PM
(04-03-2018 06:30 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: Everyone catches lightening in a bottle, once. A team that loses to Albany by 44 is not a team who should be receiving votes in any poll.
So no credit for winning their conference, making the tourney, and soundly beating a #1 seed but triple damage because they lost to Albany.
That's.................. an odd analysis.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - bullet - 04-03-2018 06:53 PM
(04-03-2018 06:45 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(04-03-2018 06:30 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: Everyone catches lightening in a bottle, once. A team that loses to Albany by 44 is not a team who should be receiving votes in any poll.
So no credit for winning their conference, making the tourney, and soundly beating a #1 seed but triple damage because they lost to Albany.
That's.................. an odd analysis.
Well they did finish 2nd in one of the weakest conferences in the country.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - C2__ - 04-03-2018 06:58 PM
(04-03-2018 06:30 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:(04-03-2018 01:44 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/
1 Villanova
2 Michigan
3 Kansas
4 Duke
5 Virginia
6 Texas Tech
7 Loyola-Chicago
8 Xavier
9 Purdue
10 Gonzaga
11 Michigan State
12 Cincinnati
13 West Virginia
14 North Carolina
15 Clemson
16 Tennessee
17 Kentucky
18 Florida State
19 Kansas State
20 Nevada
21 Ohio State
22 Houston
23 Auburn
24 Texas A&M
25 Wichita State
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26 Syracuse
27 Rhode Island
28 Arizona
29 Florida
30 Penn State
31 Butler
32 Buffalo
33 Seton Hall
34 Saint Mary’s
35 MD Baltimore County
I would flip MD Baltimore County into top 25. Beat a 2-loss #1 ranked team that won ACC by 4 games...by 20.
Sorry but UMBC getting votes is why everyone makes fun of the coaches poll.
http://umbcretrievers.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/schedule
Everyone catches lightening in a bottle, once. A team that loses to Albany by 44 is not a team who should be receiving votes in any poll.
Ahh, who cares? This is a sport where arbitrary human metrics are irrelevant aside from selection committee discretion.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - ohio1317 - 04-03-2018 07:44 PM
I echo every time after the final polls, but still too much emphasis on the tournament. I dont dispute it matters, but the polls echo the rounds the teams made it to, much more than I would like. I am kind of OK with having the national champ kind of get the default number 1 (kind of), but Michigan shouldnt be number 2 for instance when comparing a whole season.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - C2__ - 04-03-2018 08:00 PM
Who cares? I'm glad Michigan is up there because they earned it on the court, even if they weren't the second best team from the season, and they weren't.
Being upset over the results of the final college basketball poll is like being upset that you were picked last in a pickup game that had a winner and a loser.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - Cyniclone - 04-03-2018 08:00 PM
What would have happened if Loyola won the tournament? Do the coaches have to give their No. 1 vote to the tournament champion, or could there have been split champions if enough coaches voted for Villanova, who in this scenario would have lost on a buzzer-beater in double OT?
RE: Final Coaches Poll - ken d - 04-03-2018 08:20 PM
(04-03-2018 06:45 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(04-03-2018 06:30 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: Everyone catches lightening in a bottle, once. A team that loses to Albany by 44 is not a team who should be receiving votes in any poll.
So no credit for winning their conference, making the tourney, and soundly beating a #1 seed but triple damage because they lost to Albany.
That's.................. an odd analysis.
Odd, maybe. But certainly not incorrect. I seriously doubt that any of the six voters who put UMBC on their ballot actually believe they are one of the 25 best teams in the country. I doubt anyone on this forum, if they are honest about it, do either.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - C2__ - 04-03-2018 08:20 PM
I think they would be obligated and there would be no split, as they would have had to have gone through a 1-seed to win it all. Most of the other so-called great teams lost in the Sweet 16 or earlier. Only 5 of the top 16 teams made the Elite 8 and LUC would have had to have knocked out two to win it all, including the best remaining team.
A split wouldn't have been necessary.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - ken d - 04-04-2018 07:42 AM
(04-03-2018 07:44 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: I echo every time after the final polls, but still too much emphasis on the tournament. I dont dispute it matters, but the polls echo the rounds the teams made it to, much more than I would like. I am kind of OK with having the national champ kind of get the default number 1 (kind of), but Michigan shouldnt be number 2 for instance when comparing a whole season.
I agree. By poll logic, Virginia shouldn't be ranked because they lost to UMBC in the tournament.
Of course, having said this, I realize how silly it is to put the words "poll" and "logic" together like that.
And I'm not sure that voters shouldn't take into account how good a team is today, based on something less than the whole season. Michigan finished the season very strong, and not just in the postseason. The rankings should reflect how teams would compare tomorrow, but not just last week.
Would Michigan have been ranked this high if they had lost to Villanova in the regional final instead of the national final? What bracket you are in plays a huge role in how far you go in the tournament. It shouldn't also play a role in where you are ranked in the polls.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - ken d - 04-04-2018 09:12 AM
I've searched for individual coaches' ballots, but with no luck. I wanted to see who voted for UMBC. I thought it would be a hoot if, instead of 6 voters putting UMBC at #25, only one voter put them at #20.
Are these ballots made public?
RE: Final Coaches Poll - quo vadis - 04-04-2018 09:27 AM
(04-04-2018 07:42 AM)ken d Wrote:(04-03-2018 07:44 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: I echo every time after the final polls, but still too much emphasis on the tournament. I dont dispute it matters, but the polls echo the rounds the teams made it to, much more than I would like. I am kind of OK with having the national champ kind of get the default number 1 (kind of), but Michigan shouldnt be number 2 for instance when comparing a whole season.
I agree. By poll logic, Virginia shouldn't be ranked because they lost to UMBC in the tournament.
Really? Imagine if in football LSU was ranked #1, and then they lost at home to Troy like they did last year, around game 8 of the season. Would they drop completely out of the Top 25?
Of course not, maybe to #10 or so at most.
The final poll obviously considers the entire body of work, and UVA certainly should be ranked, and high.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - quo vadis - 04-04-2018 09:32 AM
Compared to the football poll, two things stand out here:
1) The AP doesn't even do a post-tournament hoops poll. But, they still do a post-CFP football poll.
I guess this means the sportswriters agree that the NCAA tournament produces a definitive champion that their opinion is irrelevant about?
2) What if the final Coach poll picked someone other than the NCAA tournament champion as #1? Would we have a "split" champion?
I don't think so, I think everyone would just laugh at the Coach's poll instead.
Unless the Coach's poll #1 was UCF. They'd print t-shirts and have a parade at Disney World or something.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - jacksfan29 - 04-04-2018 10:24 AM
(04-03-2018 06:45 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(04-03-2018 06:30 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: Everyone catches lightening in a bottle, once. A team that loses to Albany by 44 is not a team who should be receiving votes in any poll.
So no credit for winning their conference, making the tourney, and soundly beating a #1 seed but triple damage because they lost to Albany.
That's.................. an odd analysis.
11 losses and finished second in one of the worst conferences in the country. Multiple double digit losses, to below average teams. Odd analysis? You don't get into the top 25, or even get votes in the top 25 for winning one game, or winning a conference tournament when your conference is listed as the 2nd worst league in the country. It isn't be a big deal, but it is why coaches polls are a joke. Filled out by assistant SID's, everyone I have ever seen is a mess.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - Cyniclone - 04-04-2018 05:18 PM
(04-04-2018 10:24 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:(04-03-2018 06:45 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:(04-03-2018 06:30 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote: Everyone catches lightening in a bottle, once. A team that loses to Albany by 44 is not a team who should be receiving votes in any poll.
So no credit for winning their conference, making the tourney, and soundly beating a #1 seed but triple damage because they lost to Albany.
That's.................. an odd analysis.
11 losses and finished second in one of the worst conferences in the country. Multiple double digit losses, to below average teams. Odd analysis? You don't get into the top 25, or even get votes in the top 25 for winning one game, or winning a conference tournament when your conference is listed as the 2nd worst league in the country. It isn't be a big deal, but it is why coaches polls are a joke. Filled out by assistant SID's, everyone I have ever seen is a mess.
On the other hand, they would have back-to-back Quadrant One wins (@Vermont, Virginia neutral) and a close Quadrant Two loss (Kansas State). Their RPI is still 111, and anyone making the argument that they were one of the top 25 teams of the season would get laughed out of the room. BUT polls are often a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately proposition, and making the case that UMBC is playing like one of the top 25 teams in the country at the end of the season isn't that far-fetched. Still unlikely, but not completely out of bounds.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - C2__ - 04-04-2018 05:22 PM
This is an argument not worth having, save it for college football, where the polls actually can effect the selection committee.
RE: Final Coaches Poll - Cyniclone - 04-04-2018 05:24 PM
(04-04-2018 05:22 PM)_C2_ Wrote: This is an argument not worth having, save it for college football, where the polls actually can effect the selection committee.
It's early April on a message board. Unless you want to see the forum fill up with baseball, softball, lacrosse and wild-assed realignment theories, what's the harm?