(05-07-2018 08:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  It's been 118 days since Alabama beat Georgia to win the national championship, and it is 118 days until the first Saturday of the 2018 college football season.

So we're basically at the mid-point of the long drought**.

I think that's one reason we like college football so much: The season is so short. Even if you have a great year and play a bowl on New Year's Day, you still have 8 long months until your next game.

And if you have a bad year and don't go bowling, your season ends at Thanksgiving, meaning 9+ months of waiting. For many schools, the entire season runs from around September 1st to November 25th. Easily the shortest major-sport season.



** Yes, I know some games kick off a few days before then, b:bump:ut basically.

(05-07-2018 03:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Alabama and Georgia did not play for a “national “ championship...

(05-07-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Alabama and Georgia did not play for a “national “ championship...

Actually, they played for the championship of the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame - all the entities that signed the CFP agreement and adopted the CFP process as its champion determinant.

Since those 10 conferences pretty well span the USA, it is certainly fair and reasonable to call it a "national" championship, but you don't seem the type to let a fact get in the way of an agenda.

(05-07-2018 05:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Alabama and Georgia did not play for a “national “ championship...

Actually, they played for the championship of the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame - all the entities that signed the CFP agreement and adopted the CFP process as its champion determinant.

Since those 10 conferences pretty well span the USA, it is certainly fair and reasonable to call it a "national" championship, but you don't seem the type to let a fact get in the way of an agenda.

Alabama won a four-team exhibition tourney that may or may not have had the top 4 teams in it.

Still a mythical championship. Nothing National about it.

(05-07-2018 07:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 05:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Alabama and Georgia did not play for a “national “ championship...

Actually, they played for the championship of the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame - all the entities that signed the CFP agreement and adopted the CFP process as its champion determinant.

Since those 10 conferences pretty well span the USA, it is certainly fair and reasonable to call it a "national" championship, but you don't seem the type to let a fact get in the way of an agenda.

Alabama won a four-team exhibition tourney that may or may not have had the top 4 teams in it.

Still a mythical championship. Nothing National about it.

To have any meaning at all, "mythical" must mean that the teams competing don't have an agreed-on mechanism in place to determine their champ, such that any team that calls itself a champ or is called a champ by anyone is a champ in myth-only, it's just their opinion.

That applied to the era when the AP and Coaches polls picked the champs, because they weren't agreed to by the competing teams as their champion selectors.

That's not the case with the CFP, which is the formally agreed-to mechanism for choosing the champ of the 10 FBS conferences and ND.

So that makes the CFP champ no more 'mythical' than the Super Bowl champ is for the NFL, since the Super Bowl is the formally agreed-to championship game for the NFL.

These facts may disturb and upset you, but they are facts nonetheless. Scott Frost has come to terms with them, so should you.

(05-07-2018 05:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  It's the national title but about as much determining the best figure skater at the Olympics.

(05-07-2018 08:46 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Anyway, like you said, half way there to kickoff !!!

(05-07-2018 07:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 05:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Alabama and Georgia did not play for a “national “ championship...

Actually, they played for the championship of the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame - all the entities that signed the CFP agreement and adopted the CFP process as its champion determinant.

Since those 10 conferences pretty well span the USA, it is certainly fair and reasonable to call it a "national" championship, but you don't seem the type to let a fact get in the way of an agenda.

Alabama won a four-team exhibition tourney that may or may not have had the top 4 teams in it.

Still a mythical championship. Nothing National about it.

To have any meaning at all, "mythical" must mean that the teams competing don't have an agreed-on mechanism in place to determine their champ, such that any team that calls itself a champ or is called a champ by anyone is a champ in myth-only, it's just their opinion.

That applied to the era when the AP and Coaches polls picked the champs, because they weren't agreed to by the competing teams as their champion selectors.

That's not the case with the CFP, which is the formally agreed-to mechanism for choosing the champ of the 10 FBS conferences and ND.

So that makes the CFP champ no more 'mythical' than the Super Bowl champ is for the NFL, since the Super Bowl is the formally agreed-to championship game for the NFL.

These facts may disturb and upset you, but they are facts nonetheless. Scott Frost has come to terms with them, so should you.

(05-08-2018 01:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 07:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 05:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:42 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Alabama and Georgia did not play for a “national “ championship...

Actually, they played for the championship of the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame - all the entities that signed the CFP agreement and adopted the CFP process as its champion determinant.

Since those 10 conferences pretty well span the USA, it is certainly fair and reasonable to call it a "national" championship, but you don't seem the type to let a fact get in the way of an agenda.

Alabama won a four-team exhibition tourney that may or may not have had the top 4 teams in it.

Still a mythical championship. Nothing National about it.

To have any meaning at all, "mythical" must mean that the teams competing don't have an agreed-on mechanism in place to determine their champ, such that any team that calls itself a champ or is called a champ by anyone is a champ in myth-only, it's just their opinion.

That applied to the era when the AP and Coaches polls picked the champs, because they weren't agreed to by the competing teams as their champion selectors.

That's not the case with the CFP, which is the formally agreed-to mechanism for choosing the champ of the 10 FBS conferences and ND.

So that makes the CFP champ no more 'mythical' than the Super Bowl champ is for the NFL, since the Super Bowl is the formally agreed-to championship game for the NFL.

These facts may disturb and upset you, but they are facts nonetheless. Scott Frost has come to terms with them, so should you.

The CFP "championship" is nowhere near the Superbowl for legitimacy, for a number of reasons.

(05-09-2018 07:38 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  The college football community is pretty much split in half fan wise, don’t forget about the fans, Iam a cfb fan, have been a long time

(05-08-2018 05:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 01:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 07:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 05:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 04:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Actually, they played for the championship of the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame - all the entities that signed the CFP agreement and adopted the CFP process as its champion determinant.

Since those 10 conferences pretty well span the USA, it is certainly fair and reasonable to call it a "national" championship, but you don't seem the type to let a fact get in the way of an agenda.

Alabama won a four-team exhibition tourney that may or may not have had the top 4 teams in it.

Still a mythical championship. Nothing National about it.

To have any meaning at all, "mythical" must mean that the teams competing don't have an agreed-on mechanism in place to determine their champ, such that any team that calls itself a champ or is called a champ by anyone is a champ in myth-only, it's just their opinion.

That applied to the era when the AP and Coaches polls picked the champs, because they weren't agreed to by the competing teams as their champion selectors.

That's not the case with the CFP, which is the formally agreed-to mechanism for choosing the champ of the 10 FBS conferences and ND.

So that makes the CFP champ no more 'mythical' than the Super Bowl champ is for the NFL, since the Super Bowl is the formally agreed-to championship game for the NFL.

These facts may disturb and upset you, but they are facts nonetheless. Scott Frost has come to terms with them, so should you.

The CFP "championship" is nowhere near the Superbowl for legitimacy, for a number of reasons.

"Legitimacy" and "mythical" are two different things. Mythical implies that the contestants have no formal mechanism in place for determining a champ, meaning that any team called the champ must be mythical, in the sense that that championship doesn't formally exist. And that doesn't apply to either the SB or CFP, as both are formal mechanisms.

Legitimacy refers to whether the mechanism is widely regarded as valid, such that whoever is chosen by the mechanism is regarded by the sports community as the actual valid champ.

I agree that the CFP isn't regarded as legitimate as the Super Bowl in terms of determining a champ. But, you seem to think the gap is great, and I don't.

E.g., if we were to conduct a poll right now of sportswriters and NFL coaches on who the real NFL champ is, the SB winner, the Eagles would probably poll at least 99% of the vote. Maybe 1 or 2 people with axes to grind or who think the Eagles cheated somehow would vote for someone else, but they probably would get at least 99% of the vote.

What about the CFP? Well for that, we actually do know, because the AP and coaches conduct their votes after the CFP champ is crowned. This year, the CFP winner received 119 of 123 combined writers and coaches first place votes. That's 96.9%. In all the other three years of the CFP, the CFP winner has gotten 100% of the coach and AP votes.

So not quite as legitimate as the SB winner is regarded as, but pretty darn close, and high enough to say the CFP champ has overwhelming legitimacy as champ in the eyes of the college football community.

(05-10-2018 10:35 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 05:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  What about the CFP? Well for that, we actually do know, because the AP and coaches conduct their votes after the CFP champ is crowned. This year, the CFP winner received 119 of 123 combined writers and coaches first place votes. That's 96.9%. In all the other three years of the CFP, the CFP winner has gotten 100% of the coach and AP votes. [/u]

So not quite as legitimate as the SB winner is regarded as, but pretty darn close, and high enough to say the CFP champ has overwhelming legitimacy as champ in the eyes of the college football community.

Well, they're GOING to receive a lot of votes because that's how they got into the "championship" in the first place. The votes afterward are done by the same people that voted for them to get into the "championship". I don't think that says a whole lot. Nobody voted to get the Eagles into the Superbowl.

(05-10-2018 11:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-10-2018 10:35 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 05:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  What about the CFP? Well for that, we actually do know, because the AP and coaches conduct their votes after the CFP champ is crowned. This year, the CFP winner received 119 of 123 combined writers and coaches first place votes. That's 96.9%. In all the other three years of the CFP, the CFP winner has gotten 100% of the coach and AP votes. [/u]

So not quite as legitimate as the SB winner is regarded as, but pretty darn close, and high enough to say the CFP champ has overwhelming legitimacy as champ in the eyes of the college football community.

Well, they're GOING to receive a lot of votes because that's how they got into the "championship" in the first place. The votes afterward are done by the same people that voted for them to get into the "championship". I don't think that says a whole lot. Nobody voted to get the Eagles into the Superbowl.

The AP and coaches poll voters are not the people who voted the four CFP teams into the playoffs. That was done by the CFP committee.

The AP and Coaches voters are completely independent of the CFP, they aren't obligated to vote for the CFP champion in their polls. That's different from the BCS era, where the Coach voters were contractually obligated to vote for the winner of the BCS title game. Not so with the CFP winner.