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D1 Schools That should Drop Down For Number Of Reasons - DavidSt - 05-28-2018 03:49 PM
We have 2 D1 schools that dropped down a division in the last several years.
Savannah State, Centenary and Winston-Salem State
There are others that are in the process in re-evaluating their schools if they should find a new conference or dropped down, or deeply in heavy debt because of a corrupt administration, declining enrollment or been hit by scandals. There are rumors that La Salle will try and get into the Patriot League or dropped down to D3 altogether. Here is a list that I think should find a new home in the future.
Alabama A&M they have to battle UAH for students in the same city and suburbs.
Alcorn State
UAPB
Canisius northeast private schools are in trouble. The northeast is overcrowded with small privates as it is than any other parts of the country.
Chicago State
Coppin State
Delaware State
Detroit Mercy
Eastern Michigan to FCS, this might get some D2 public Michigan schools to think FCS for all sports to move up.
Fairfield
Gardner Webb
Georgia State was not ready for FBS.
Coastal Carolina another school not ready for prime time.
Grambling State
Houston Baptist is behind Texas A&M, Houston, Rice and Texas Southern.
Howard could join District of Columbia at D2.
Iona
Jacksonville screams to be with University of Tampa.
Kent State FCS
La Salle
La.-Monroe not FBS level of spending.
Loyola Maryland
Manhattan
Marist
Maryland-Eastern Shore
Miami Ohio FCS
Mississippi Valley State'
UMKC
Mount St. Mary's
New Orleans
Nicholls State
Norfolk State
Charlotte not primetime ready at FBS.
NW. La. State
Oakland
Oral Roberts
Portland
Presbyterian College
Radford
Sacred Heart
Siena
South Carolina State
SE Louisiana
St. Bonaventure
St. Francis, NY.
Saint Francis, PA.
Saint Peter's
Texas A&M- c.C.
Wagner
Western Illinois
Wright State
These are mainly bottom feeders, or lost a lot of enrollment to justified to stay D1.
Adding Tulsa to the list.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - HeartOfDixie - 05-28-2018 03:52 PM
AAMU doesn't compete with UAH for students.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - gosports1 - 05-28-2018 04:00 PM
Marist, Fairfield and Siena to name a few have endowments well over 100 million. while certainly not at the level of Ohio St or Cal Berkley they are hardly at deaths door especially Fairfield.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - sctvman - 05-28-2018 05:07 PM
Coastal? They’ve won a national championship in baseball!
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - TDenverFan - 05-28-2018 05:25 PM
St. Bonnaventure just made the NCAA tournament, Iona has made it 3 years in a row. Even in a down year, like this one, Siena can draw 7k to a basketball game. TBH while a few of them probably don't necessarily need to be D1, a lot of the Northeast Private schools have enough money and endowment to make it work, and benefit from being D1. More people are aware of mid to low level D1 teams than they are of high level D2 teams. And a lot of your list feels arbitrary. Why is Siena in "trouble" but Niagra isn't?
Coastal has been in the FBS for one season, and they finished with 3 wins, which isn't bad for a first year program without their very good Head Coach. They have a baseball national championship, and have a very solid soccer program too. Georgia State won a bowl game this year, and has made a bowl 2 of the past 3 years.
Houston Baptist is behind A&M and Houston, no duh, but they're not exactly competing with them athletically. It's a small school yes, but that's kinda by choice - they have a 35% acceptance rate. Their basketball team is on the rise, having gone from 6 wins 4 years back to having made postseason tournaments 2 years in a row, and their baseball team is often near the top of the Southland.
Jacksoville has rivalries with Stetson and UNF, I don't know why they care so much about Tampa. They have been competitve in the past in a lot of sports (They lost to UCLA in the basketball national championship game in the 70s), and have had a solid PFL football team for a while.
I don't feel like going team by team on your list, but a lot of the teams you picked seem to just be ones that had a bad football or basketball team the past few years.
And Savannah State isn't 100% official on the drop down, and WSSU was never really a full D1 member, neither have really been full fledged D1 members that dropped down.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - IWokeUpLikeThis - 05-28-2018 05:59 PM
Don’t forget the Centenary Gents who dropped down. Shreveport private who played in a cool relic called the “Gold Dome”.
![[Image: Dome1.png]](https://heliopolis.la/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Dome1.png)
![[Image: thecast1.JPG]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CDOKjA1ftXA/Tae-_215hqI/AAAAAAAAAGw/2i8PhODq55w/s1600/thecast1.JPG)
Seems like a mystical place to catch a game like the Kibbie Dome.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - Sultan of Euphonistan - 05-28-2018 06:24 PM
You really should do some more research. For instance Kent State just added sports unprompted, has very successful programs in numerous sports (though obviously not football the vast majority of the time), and unlike some schools is not in any serious financial difficulties.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - PirateTreasureNC - 05-28-2018 06:26 PM
I'm sorry, but collegiate sports accounting practices is a dubious exercise for dubious results.
Some schools get super large media contract subsidies.
Some schools fleece program funding on the backs of student fees.
Some schools can't fill their stadiums yet somehow get money.
Some schools ride the coattails of their conference to subsidize their athletic department of which the performance on the field or the draw in the stands doesn't generate the revenue.
All you need is a good accountant and motivated university administration to make whatever division you want to play at worth it to you.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - seaking4steel - 05-28-2018 06:35 PM
They'll be replaced with the likes of Central Oklahoma and Colorado-Mesa.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - AZcats - 05-28-2018 06:55 PM
We have had to endure countless lists of schools "gunning for" D1 because there is so much money available. Now we are being subjected to lists of schools that should drop to D2 because they are in debt and other reasons according to your own unknown criteria or being a bottom feeder. Which is it?
(05-28-2018 05:25 PM)TDenverFan Wrote: And Savannah State isn't 100% official on the drop down, and WSSU was never really a full D1 member, neither have really been full fledged D1 members that dropped down.
Savannah State has been accepted by the D2 SIAC for membership beginning in 2019; their application for NCAA D2 membership is fully expected to be approved in July. Exactly on WSSU, you can't drop down from something that you were never a full member of.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - DavidSt - 05-28-2018 07:21 PM
La Salle is not able to compete in the A-10. This thread have to do with what La Salle is looking at. Having an endowment does not mean that you are in debt. If you spend more than what you have for sports, campus improvements and so forth did not saved Mount Ida. A lot of these small private colleges happened to be in cities that have to compete against other schools at D1 and lower levels to pro teams. The sports model is not working for some of these northeast schools.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - jdgaucho - 05-28-2018 10:31 PM
(05-28-2018 05:25 PM)TDenverFan Wrote: St. Bonnaventure just made the NCAA tournament, Iona has made it 3 years in a row. Even in a down year, like this one, Siena can draw 7k to a basketball game. TBH while a few of them probably don't necessarily need to be D1, a lot of the Northeast Private schools have enough money and endowment to make it work, and benefit from being D1. More people are aware of mid to low level D1 teams than they are of high level D2 teams. And a lot of your list feels arbitrary. Why is Siena in "trouble" but Niagra isn't?
Coastal has been in the FBS for one season, and they finished with 3 wins, which isn't bad for a first year program without their very good Head Coach. They have a baseball national championship, and have a very solid soccer program too. Georgia State won a bowl game this year, and has made a bowl 2 of the past 3 years.
Houston Baptist is behind A&M and Houston, no duh, but they're not exactly competing with them athletically. It's a small school yes, but that's kinda by choice - they have a 35% acceptance rate. Their basketball team is on the rise, having gone from 6 wins 4 years back to having made postseason tournaments 2 years in a row, and their baseball team is often near the top of the Southland.
Jacksoville has rivalries with Stetson and UNF, I don't know why they care so much about Tampa. They have been competitve in the past in a lot of sports (They lost to UCLA in the basketball national championship game in the 70s), and have had a solid PFL football team for a while.
I don't feel like going team by team on your list, but a lot of the teams you picked seem to just be ones that had a bad football or basketball team the past few years.
And Savannah State isn't 100% official on the drop down, and WSSU was never really a full D1 member, neither have really been full fledged D1 members that dropped down.
There's only one or two examples I can think of. Cal State Los Angeles was D1 and a charter member of the PCAA, but dropped down in the mid 70s. I think New Orleans was intending to drop to D3 but reversed course.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - DoubleRSU - 05-28-2018 10:44 PM
(05-28-2018 06:35 PM)seaking4steel Wrote: They'll be replaced with the likes of Central Oklahoma and Colorado-Mesa.
Don't forget about Upper Iowa.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - DoubleRSU - 05-28-2018 10:49 PM
(05-28-2018 03:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: AAMU doesn't compete with UAH for students.
DavidSt is the "man" when it comes to colleges and realignment. I'm sure he knows all about the students attending those schools better than you do. He claims Arkansas Tech and Upper Iowa are D1 material. With qualifications like that, how dare you question his vast knowledge of colleges and universities.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - TrueBlueDrew - 05-28-2018 10:54 PM
Hmmm as much as Georgia State fans are some of the most obnoxious, delusional, and self-victimizing people I’ve ever come across, Georgia State has recently bought and repurposed a Major League Baseball stadium and they won a bowl game this past season. Yeah, they were a raging dumpster fire when they started a few years ago but now that they have an AD and a coach that know what the heck they’re doing, there’s finally some wind in the sails for them.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - debragga - 05-28-2018 11:13 PM
ULM isn’t going anywhere
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - AZcats - 05-28-2018 11:17 PM
(05-28-2018 10:49 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:(05-28-2018 03:52 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: AAMU doesn't compete with UAH for students.
DavidSt is the "man" when it comes to colleges and realignment. I'm sure he knows all about the students attending those schools better than you do. He claims Arkansas Tech and Upper Iowa are D1 material. With qualifications like that, how dare you question his vast knowledge of colleges and universities.
Hey, don't drag us back into this mess; oh yeah I forgot, we did just open a new multisport facility that "just screams going D1". And let's ignore the facts that the new building only replaced one that was 90-years-old and we don't have enough sports for D1 while none have been added in 15 years with no facilities currently available for new teams.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - DavidSt - 05-28-2018 11:27 PM
(05-28-2018 10:54 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: Hmmm as much as Georgia State fans are some of the most obnoxious, delusional, and self-victimizing people I’ve ever come across, Georgia State has recently bought and repurposed a Major League Baseball stadium and they won a bowl game this past season. Yeah, they were a raging dumpster fire when they started a few years ago but now that they have an AD and a coach that know what the heck they’re doing, there’s finally some wind in the sails for them.
It was a mistake in adding Georgia State. They added them because of the tv market which did not get the SBC the contract either. Georgia Southern should have been invited first than Appalachian State and so forth.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - Cyniclone - 05-28-2018 11:51 PM
(05-28-2018 10:31 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:(05-28-2018 05:25 PM)TDenverFan Wrote: St. Bonnaventure just made the NCAA tournament, Iona has made it 3 years in a row. Even in a down year, like this one, Siena can draw 7k to a basketball game. TBH while a few of them probably don't necessarily need to be D1, a lot of the Northeast Private schools have enough money and endowment to make it work, and benefit from being D1. More people are aware of mid to low level D1 teams than they are of high level D2 teams. And a lot of your list feels arbitrary. Why is Siena in "trouble" but Niagra isn't?
Coastal has been in the FBS for one season, and they finished with 3 wins, which isn't bad for a first year program without their very good Head Coach. They have a baseball national championship, and have a very solid soccer program too. Georgia State won a bowl game this year, and has made a bowl 2 of the past 3 years.
Houston Baptist is behind A&M and Houston, no duh, but they're not exactly competing with them athletically. It's a small school yes, but that's kinda by choice - they have a 35% acceptance rate. Their basketball team is on the rise, having gone from 6 wins 4 years back to having made postseason tournaments 2 years in a row, and their baseball team is often near the top of the Southland.
Jacksoville has rivalries with Stetson and UNF, I don't know why they care so much about Tampa. They have been competitve in the past in a lot of sports (They lost to UCLA in the basketball national championship game in the 70s), and have had a solid PFL football team for a while.
I don't feel like going team by team on your list, but a lot of the teams you picked seem to just be ones that had a bad football or basketball team the past few years.
And Savannah State isn't 100% official on the drop down, and WSSU was never really a full D1 member, neither have really been full fledged D1 members that dropped down.
There's only one or two examples I can think of. Cal State Los Angeles was D1 and a charter member of the PCAA, but dropped down in the mid 70s. I think New Orleans was intending to drop to D3 but reversed course.
Birmingham-Southern dropped to D3 about 10 years ago or so but they were only in D1 and the Big South for a few years. What a 1,600-student school in Alabama was doing moving up to D1 in the first place is anyone's guess.
RE: D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division - AZcats - 05-29-2018 12:02 AM
(05-28-2018 11:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:(05-28-2018 10:54 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: Hmmm as much as Georgia State fans are some of the most obnoxious, delusional, and self-victimizing people I’ve ever come across, Georgia State has recently bought and repurposed a Major League Baseball stadium and they won a bowl game this past season. Yeah, they were a raging dumpster fire when they started a few years ago but now that they have an AD and a coach that know what the heck they’re doing, there’s finally some wind in the sails for them.
It was a mistake in adding Georgia State. They added them because of the tv market which did not get the SBC the contract either. Georgia Southern should have been invited first than Appalachian State and so forth.
Georgia State has done as much as Appalachian State and Georgia Southern to improve the Sun Belt. In the last 5 years, GSU has won a bowl game and a men's NCAAT game. No other SBC school has done that (please correct me if I am wrong).