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Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - Attackcoog - 06-07-2018 09:58 AM
Per McMurphy---With the loss of the Vegas Bowl, the MW is looking at possibly sending its champ to the Arizona Bowl in Tuscon.
The Las Vegas Bowl will move from UNLV’s Sam Boyd Stadium to Vegas’ new NFL stadium in 2020 and in the process end a 19-year relationship with the Mountain West Conference, sources said.
Starting in 2020, which coincides with the beginning of the next NCAA bowl cycle, the Las Vegas Bowl will feature a Pac-12 team against another Power 5 conference team, sources said.
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RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - arkstfan - 06-07-2018 10:08 AM
Interesting. The folks at Tucson by all accounts went into this process with a vision. One of their key principles was that they were not going to play before Christmas. That cost them any TV deal in 2015 other than streaming which got them stuck with a MWC/MWC game because no one would swap. They were offered the Poinsettia Bowl slot by ESPN but stuck to their guns and signed another year with CBSSN.
Also fits the expectation that P5 will try to reduce the vs G5 games.
The stadium switch makes it a good time to swap since it makes the game potentially more attractive to another P5.
Now supposedly the main reason no other P5 has wanted to go was because the local sponsors prefer pre-Christmas since filling hotels between Christmas and New Year's is rarely an issue for Las Vegas.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - TrueBlueDrew - 06-07-2018 10:10 AM
So the MWC Champ will now play the 4th place Sun Belt team, and the MAC Champ will play the 2nd place Sun Belt team, while the Sun Belt Champ plays the 3rd place CUSA team...
Why the heck do we set up our bowls like this? So stupid...
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - bearcatfan - 06-07-2018 10:21 AM
(06-07-2018 10:10 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: Why the heck do we set up our bowls like this?
What choice do they have? It's 'take what you can get' in the G5 world.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - solohawks - 06-07-2018 10:24 AM
I wonder what P5 conference will want that slot besides the PAC. ACC needs quality lower tier bowls but a 6-6 Duke or BC team isn't going to send many people
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - esayem - 06-07-2018 10:30 AM
(06-07-2018 10:10 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: So the MWC Champ will now play the 4th place Sun Belt team, and the MAC Champ will play the 2nd place Sun Belt team, while the Sun Belt Champ plays the 3rd place CUSA team...
Why the heck do we set up our bowls like this? So stupid...
I know, it's so dumb. The Las Vegas (Silver) Bowl used to be MAC champ vs. Big West champ. The WAC sent their champ to the Holiday Bowl vs. a top at-large. The smaller conferences need to organize their champs playing each other like Sun Belt vs MAC, MWC vs. American, or C-USA, depending on which team gets the NYD bowl.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - Frank the Tank - 06-07-2018 10:41 AM
(06-07-2018 10:24 AM)solohawks Wrote: I wonder what P5 conference will want that slot besides the PAC. ACC needs quality lower tier bowls but a 6-6 Duke or BC team isn't going to send many people
Why is everyone assuming that the bowl tie-ins are remaining the same? They’re clearly going to shift everywhere. Las Vegas will likely have the financial resources to outbid any other bowl outside of the CFP bowls. The top non-CFP Pac-12 team (which currently goes to the Alamo Bowl) will likely be a huge target and pretty much all other P5 leagues will send a top team to play in that matchup. Plus, Vegas is literally the easiest location to sell for a bowl game (particularly during the holiday season) - a P5 vs. P5 bowl there would essentially sell itself. I wouldn’t ever bet (pun intended) against the success of Vegas.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - Yosef Himself - 06-07-2018 10:49 AM
(06-07-2018 10:30 AM)esayem Wrote:(06-07-2018 10:10 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: So the MWC Champ will now play the 4th place Sun Belt team, and the MAC Champ will play the 2nd place Sun Belt team, while the Sun Belt Champ plays the 3rd place CUSA team...
Why the heck do we set up our bowls like this? So stupid...
I know, it's so dumb. The Las Vegas (Silver) Bowl used to be MAC champ vs. Big West champ. The WAC sent their champ to the Holiday Bowl vs. a top at-large. The smaller conferences need to organize their champs playing each other like Sun Belt vs MAC, MWC vs. American, or C-USA, depending on which team gets the NYD bowl.
It happened last year. SBC had "Co-Champs." AppSt. played Toledo (Mac #1) and Troy played UNT (CUSA #2).
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - arkstfan - 06-07-2018 11:06 AM
With NMSU gone, it isn't likely that the Sun Belt will stay with the Arizona Bowl at all.
Finding a suitable opponent for MWC 1 is probably a challenge.
I don't see AAC agreeing to send one or two Arizona unless they get hit hard in the bowl shuffle. MAC would be most likely if they want a 1v1 to get the MAC out of the 1v2 in Mobile
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - Attackcoog - 06-07-2018 11:08 AM
(06-07-2018 10:21 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:(06-07-2018 10:10 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: Why the heck do we set up our bowls like this?
What choice do they have? It's 'take what you can get' in the G5 world.
What he's saying is it requires no cooperation from the P5 to set up interesting G5 champ vs G5 champ matchups. Thats better than having the CUSA Champ playing a 7 win MAC team. That just made no sense at all.
Geography is the problem for the MW. Its easy to do some sort of nice bowl for a G5 champ in the east. The MAC/AAC/CUSA/SB footprints overlap and touch in multiple areas. Those four conferences also overlap 4 P5 conferences. So, these guys can matchup against each other or swing slots in a low end P5 bowl vs a 6-6 P5 (that provides the P5 with a easy to travel bowl game smack in the middle of the P5's home footprint). The MW is geographically remote with respect to the other G5's and P5's. A high end G5 doesnt want to travel thousands of miles to play another G5 (they can do that much closer to home) and no P5 wants to travel a bazillion miles to play a G5.
That leaves the MW few bowl options for its champ.
1) Travel a bazillion miles to be an opponent to a 6-6 P5 in a bowl inside an eastern P5's footprint (but that bowl would probably rather have an eastern G5 cuz they are closer and will travel better to this low end bowl)
2) Travel a bazillion miles to be an opponent to a 10-2 G5 in a bowl inside an eastern G5's footprint (but that bowl would probably rather have an eastern G5 cuz they are closer and will travel better to this low end bowl)
3) Stay in the MW home footprint and play a lesser 7-5 G5 willing to travel a bazillion miles to be an opponent for the MW champ. The low end western bowls cant really be very picky because there are no other western conferences offering opponent teams that are closer and might travel well.
Its a tough spot for the MW.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - Yosef Himself - 06-07-2018 11:13 AM
(06-07-2018 11:08 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:(06-07-2018 10:21 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:(06-07-2018 10:10 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: Why the heck do we set up our bowls like this?
What choice do they have? It's 'take what you can get' in the G5 world.
What he's saying is it requires no cooperation from the P5 to set up interesting G5 champ vs G5 champ matchups. Thats better than having the CUSA Champ playing a 7 win MAC team. That just made no sense at all.
Yeh, FAU should have played Troy in New Orleans last year. Without a doubt.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - esayem - 06-07-2018 11:19 AM
I agree the Vegas Bowl will be great. No doubt it will pull-in some top P5 teams. Will there be a new bowl created at Sam Boyd? Will LA host a bowl when the stadium is complete?
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - quo vadis - 06-07-2018 11:35 AM
Bad news for the MWC, obviously.
Also seems to indicate bad news for any G5 conferences that have visions of upgrading their bowl ties when the new contracts are signed.
Bottom line is that any decent bowl wants a P5 vs P5 tie-in, they'd rather have ACC #8 than C-USA #2, etc.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - BullsFanInTX - 06-07-2018 11:39 AM
(06-07-2018 10:10 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: So the MWC Champ will now play the 4th place Sun Belt team, and the MAC Champ will play the 2nd place Sun Belt team, while the Sun Belt Champ plays the 3rd place CUSA team...
Why the heck do we set up our bowls like this? So stupid...
Wrong. All of the tie-ins will be reshuffled next year. The MWC champ will not be playing the Sun Belt #4 next go around.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - desertscholar974 - 06-07-2018 11:43 AM
(06-07-2018 11:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote: Bad news for the MWC, obviously.
Also seems to indicate bad news for any G5 conferences that have visions of upgrading their bowl ties when the new contracts are signed.
Bottom line is that any decent bowl wants a P5 vs P5 tie-in, they'd rather have ACC #8 than C-USA #2, etc.
There are soccer stadiums being built by MLS. The City of Los Angeles should get the next (new) bowl game. The Banc of California stadium is an appropriate place for a bowl game.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - Nittany_Bearcat - 06-07-2018 12:00 PM
(06-07-2018 10:24 AM)solohawks Wrote: I wonder what P5 conference will want that slot besides the PAC. ACC needs quality lower tier bowls but a 6-6 Duke or BC team isn't going to send many people
I figure the Big Ten will be the Vegas Bowl's first target (to play the Pac-12).
B1G's contracts with the Foster Farms (San Francisco) and Holiday Bowls end after 2019. The timing is right, and the B1G has traditionally sent 1-2 of their Bowl teams to western bowls.
Whether the Vegas Bowl remains before Christmas - that's the interesting item to me.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - Gamecock - 06-07-2018 12:09 PM
(06-07-2018 10:24 AM)solohawks Wrote: I wonder what P5 conference will want that slot besides the PAC. ACC needs quality lower tier bowls but a 6-6 Duke or BC team isn't going to send many people
I'd LOVE to get a PAC12/SEC Bowl game going. Most likely this will be Big 12/Pac 12 or maybe even become part of the playoff rotation eventually.
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - arkstfan - 06-07-2018 12:16 PM
SEC makes the most sense. Casinos and bars do well when the Baptists get in a different area code. :)
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - Tigersmoke4 - 06-07-2018 01:00 PM
While on the AAC front Aresco has been boldly stating that the AAC is going to be getting a much better TV deal and an upgrade in our bowl situation,,, hmmm. There appears to be some behind the scene discussions going on that aren't being made public yet
RE: Mountain West To Lose Vegas Bowl Starting in 2020 - TrueBlueDrew - 06-07-2018 01:27 PM
(06-07-2018 11:39 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:(06-07-2018 10:10 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: So the MWC Champ will now play the 4th place Sun Belt team, and the MAC Champ will play the 2nd place Sun Belt team, while the Sun Belt Champ plays the 3rd place CUSA team...
Why the heck do we set up our bowls like this? So stupid...
Wrong. All of the tie-ins will be reshuffled next year. The MWC champ will not be playing the Sun Belt #4 next go around.
That's true. I forgot about the bowl reshuffle. Hopefully the G5 conferences pull their heads out of their collective @$$.