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Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - MWC Tex - 07-09-2018 03:02 PM
(Just killing some time during the off season. )
P5 expands so that each state has at least a school in the club. (Those who have football existing...sorry Alaska & Vermont)
All existing P5 schools are included, nobody is kicked out.
The P5 expands to 16 teams each with Notre Dame still as an Indy.
My scenario.
PAC-16: The PAC adds a school from each of the following states: Hawaii, Nevada, Montana and Idaho.
North: OU, OSU, UW, WSU, U Mont, BSU, Cal, Stanford
South: HI, UNLV, USC, UCLA, ASU, UA, UU, CU
Big 12: Adds a school from North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, CSU. Also, Nebraska and Tex A&M return.
North: NDSU, SDSU, Wyo, CSU, Neb, ISU, TT, TCU
South: NM, Bay, UT, A&M, KU, KSU, OU, OSU.
Big 10: Adds UConn & UMass
West: Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Mizzou, NW, Ill, Ind, PU
East: UM, MSU, OSU, PSU, Rut, MD, UConn, Temple?
SEC: FSU, Miami, Clemson & Louisville added. Loses A&M, Mizzou
West: Ark, LSU, Miss, MSU, Tenn, Vandy, KY, L'ville.
East: AU, UA, SC, Clemson, FL, GA, FSU, Miami
ACC: Adds the NE states. ND stays Indy.
South: WV, GT, VT, VA, NC, NCSU, Duke, WF
North: Pitt, SU, UMass (Fb only?), BC, DE, RI, NH, ME
This gives the CFP (new FBS division) 81 teams.
Still the best 4 teams for playoff and major bowls stay the same tie-in.
ND still has ties to ACC bowls/Orange bowl.
All other P5 bowls remain the same but now have more choices available and probably better teams.
Allocation of the CFP $$ can increase from the 75% to 90%?
While there will still be some upset folks, it won't be quite the ruckus as the people in each state will have at least a school in the club.
CFP schools can play 1 FBS/FCS school...
All D1 conferences are still intact and the P5 is still part of the NCAA.
FCS can merge in the lower FBS system.
High Schollie Conferences can form bowls on their own accord or have a playoff of their own and bowls.
MW, CUSA, AAC, MAC, Sunbelt, Missouri Valley, Big Sky, Big South, Ohio Valley, Southland, CAA, SoCon.
Low Schollie conferences will form their own bowl.
Patriot League vs Northeast Conference
Non-Schollie conferences can form their own bowl if wanted.
Pioneer League vs Ivy League.
The Southwestern and MAAC already have their Celebration Bowl so nothing changes on their end.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - jdgaucho - 07-09-2018 04:19 PM
Unless the rules change, the MW loses its basketball auto bid league in this scenario as it's now reduced to six full members. Seven is the minimum required.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - DavidSt - 07-09-2018 04:40 PM
Vermont I think, still have their old football stadium. They still have a club team that could easily be transformed into a varsity squad. If they restart their program? I could see them getting a spot.
Now, I think if you go to 18 to 20 in a conference? You could still grab some of the stronger showing programs like BYU, Fresno State, San Diego State, would replaced UNLV with UNR. UNR academics are R2 while UNLV are not in the R category yet., Colorado State, Air Force, UTSA, Houston, UTEP, Arkansas State, La. Tech, Southern Miss., Memphis, Missouri State, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Cincinnati, Ohio U., Western Kentucky, East Carolina, ODU, James Madison, Milwaukee (if they restart their football program), UConn., Temple, UMass., Vermont restarting their football program), Delaware, Towson, URI, Maine, New Hampshire, Georgetown or Hampton U. for DC, and so forth. I would think SEC might look into East Carolina, ODU and Cincinnati as neighboring states that they do not have a presence in.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - Nerdlinger - 07-09-2018 04:46 PM
(07-09-2018 04:19 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: Unless the rules change, the MW loses its basketball auto bid league in this scenario as it's now reduced to six full members. Seven is the minimum required.
They would rebuild, of course.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - DavidSt - 07-09-2018 05:23 PM
(07-09-2018 04:46 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:(07-09-2018 04:19 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: Unless the rules change, the MW loses its basketball auto bid league in this scenario as it's now reduced to six full members. Seven is the minimum required.
They would rebuild, of course.
MWC would grab some Big Sky members. Then Big Sky grabs GNAC football schools, Weber State and a couple of RMAC schools that are in their footprint.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - MWC Tex - 07-09-2018 06:13 PM
(07-09-2018 04:19 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: Unless the rules change, the MW loses its basketball auto bid league in this scenario as it's now reduced to six full members. Seven is the minimum required.
NMSU would be added and I am sure UTEP will want to be added also.
Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - Jjoey52 - 07-09-2018 06:21 PM
AAC fans of UCF and USF would not like this at all.
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RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - Rube Dali - 07-09-2018 10:01 PM
There's one problem with this idea, the SEC would become UBER-powerful in football and basketball, while everyone else would become weaker(especially the ACC).
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - HawaiiMongoose - 07-10-2018 01:52 AM
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RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - dunstvangeet - 07-10-2018 06:02 AM
(07-09-2018 03:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: (Just killing some time during the off season. )PAC-16 would never vote for this. They'd likely stay at 12, versus try to expand like what you're suggesting. Your expansion would be expanding just to expand, which is not what I think the PAC-12 wants.
PAC-16: The PAC adds a school from each of the following states: Hawaii, Nevada, Montana and Idaho.
North: OU, OSU, UW, WSU, U Mont, BSU, Cal, Stanford
South: HI, UNLV, USC, UCLA, ASU, UA, UU, CU
I can think of at least 8 schools in the current PAC-12 that would vote against this. Cal, Stanford, USC and UCLA would vote against this because it would get rid of their guarenteed games against eachother each year. They don't want to lose that. Oregon, OSU, Washington, and WSU would vote against this because it would be trading games against Southern California for games in Idaho and Montana. Again, not what the Northwest schools want.
So, there's 8 votes against it. The only way the PAC-12 expands is if Texas is in the mix.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - Kittonhead - 07-10-2018 07:19 AM
Not to say this is going to happen but this is how I would do it.
B1G (UConn, Kansas)-Load for basketball.
PAC (Hawaii, Nevada)-Nevada is a good fit in the PAC North 3 hours from the bay.
XII (Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, Colorado St, BYU)
Have the SEC, XII, ACC, B1G, PAC all form their own high resource subdivision for all sports.
That way the remaining 280 schools in Division 1 can be more competitive for national championships. They can still get TV deals if the basketball is good.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - goodknightfl - 07-10-2018 08:27 AM
(07-09-2018 03:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: (Just killing some time during the off season. )
P5 expands so that each state has at least a school in the club. (Those who have football existing...sorry Alaska & Vermont)
All existing P5 schools are included, nobody is kicked out.
The P5 expands to 16 teams each with Notre Dame still as an Indy.
My scenario.
PAC-16: The PAC adds a school from each of the following states: Hawaii, Nevada, Montana and Idaho.
North: OU, OSU, UW, WSU, U Mont, BSU, Cal, Stanford
South: HI, UNLV, USC, UCLA, ASU, UA, UU, CU
Big 12: Adds a school from North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, CSU. Also, Nebraska and Tex A&M return.
North: NDSU, SDSU, Wyo, CSU, Neb, ISU, TT, TCU
South: NM, Bay, UT, A&M, KU, KSU, OU, OSU.
Big 10: Adds UConn & UMass
West: Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Mizzou, NW, Ill, Ind, PU
East: UM, MSU, OSU, PSU, Rut, MD, UConn, Temple?
SEC: FSU, Miami, Clemson & Louisville added. Loses A&M, Mizzou
West: Ark, LSU, Miss, MSU, Tenn, Vandy, KY, L'ville.
East: AU, UA, SC, Clemson, FL, GA, FSU, Miami
ACC: Adds the NE states. ND stays Indy.
South: WV, GT, VT, VA, NC, NCSU, Duke, WF
North: Pitt, SU, UMass (Fb only?), BC, DE, RI, NH, ME
This gives the CFP (new FBS division) 81 teams.
Still the best 4 teams for playoff and major bowls stay the same tie-in.
ND still has ties to ACC bowls/Orange bowl.
All other P5 bowls remain the same but now have more choices available and probably better teams.
Allocation of the CFP $$ can increase from the 75% to 90%?
While there will still be some upset folks, it won't be quite the ruckus as the people in each state will have at least a school in the club.
CFP schools can play 1 FBS/FCS school...
All D1 conferences are still intact and the P5 is still part of the NCAA.
FCS can merge in the lower FBS system.
High Schollie Conferences can form bowls on their own accord or have a playoff of their own and bowls.
MW, CUSA, AAC, MAC, Sunbelt, Missouri Valley, Big Sky, Big South, Ohio Valley, Southland, CAA, SoCon.
Low Schollie conferences will form their own bowl.
Patriot League vs Northeast Conference
Non-Schollie conferences can form their own bowl if wanted.
Pioneer League vs Ivy League.
The Southwestern and MAAC already have their Celebration Bowl so nothing changes on their end.
Any plan that has S and N Dakota, Nevada, Umass, Wyoming playing while Houston, UCF, USF, Memphis, and BYU are left behind is crazy dumb.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - MWC Tex - 07-10-2018 08:32 AM
(07-10-2018 08:27 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:(07-09-2018 03:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: (Just killing some time during the off season. )
P5 expands so that each state has at least a school in the club. (Those who have football existing...sorry Alaska & Vermont)
All existing P5 schools are included, nobody is kicked out.
The P5 expands to 16 teams each with Notre Dame still as an Indy.
My scenario.
PAC-16: The PAC adds a school from each of the following states: Hawaii, Nevada, Montana and Idaho.
North: OU, OSU, UW, WSU, U Mont, BSU, Cal, Stanford
South: HI, UNLV, USC, UCLA, ASU, UA, UU, CU
Big 12: Adds a school from North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, CSU. Also, Nebraska and Tex A&M return.
North: NDSU, SDSU, Wyo, CSU, Neb, ISU, TT, TCU
South: NM, Bay, UT, A&M, KU, KSU, OU, OSU.
Big 10: Adds UConn & UMass
West: Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Mizzou, NW, Ill, Ind, PU
East: UM, MSU, OSU, PSU, Rut, MD, UConn, Temple?
SEC: FSU, Miami, Clemson & Louisville added. Loses A&M, Mizzou
West: Ark, LSU, Miss, MSU, Tenn, Vandy, KY, L'ville.
East: AU, UA, SC, Clemson, FL, GA, FSU, Miami
ACC: Adds the NE states. ND stays Indy.
South: WV, GT, VT, VA, NC, NCSU, Duke, WF
North: Pitt, SU, UMass (Fb only?), BC, DE, RI, NH, ME
This gives the CFP (new FBS division) 81 teams.
Still the best 4 teams for playoff and major bowls stay the same tie-in.
ND still has ties to ACC bowls/Orange bowl.
All other P5 bowls remain the same but now have more choices available and probably better teams.
Allocation of the CFP $$ can increase from the 75% to 90%?
While there will still be some upset folks, it won't be quite the ruckus as the people in each state will have at least a school in the club.
CFP schools can play 1 FBS/FCS school...
All D1 conferences are still intact and the P5 is still part of the NCAA.
FCS can merge in the lower FBS system.
High Schollie Conferences can form bowls on their own accord or have a playoff of their own and bowls.
MW, CUSA, AAC, MAC, Sunbelt, Missouri Valley, Big Sky, Big South, Ohio Valley, Southland, CAA, SoCon.
Low Schollie conferences will form their own bowl.
Patriot League vs Northeast Conference
Non-Schollie conferences can form their own bowl if wanted.
Pioneer League vs Ivy League.
The Southwestern and MAAC already have their Celebration Bowl so nothing changes on their end.
Any plan that has S and N Dakota, Nevada, Umass, Wyoming playing while Houston, UCF, USF, Memphis, and BYU are left behind is crazy dumb.
Not when you have Senators of those states involved. Not much power Houston, UCF, USF, Memphis and BYU have in the federal politics.
In addition, this could lead to a 2 step process from a complete split from the NCAA. First expand, then split, then reorganize.
The 80 schools could split into 8 conferences of 10 teams with ND still as an Indy. 4 Team playoff could still exist and each conference champ tie to a Major Bowl. The PAC would go back to the old PAC-10 for example.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - CliftonAve - 07-10-2018 09:20 AM
This thread is blatant trolling.
Sincerely,
DavidSt
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - Attackcoog - 07-10-2018 01:59 PM
(07-09-2018 03:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: (Just killing some time during the off season. )
P5 expands so that each state has at least a school in the club. (Those who have football existing...sorry Alaska & Vermont)
All existing P5 schools are included, nobody is kicked out.
The P5 expands to 16 teams each with Notre Dame still as an Indy.
My scenario.
PAC-16: The PAC adds a school from each of the following states: Hawaii, Nevada, Montana and Idaho.
North: OU, OSU, UW, WSU, U Mont, BSU, Cal, Stanford
South: HI, UNLV, USC, UCLA, ASU, UA, UU, CU
Big 12: Adds a school from North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, CSU. Also, Nebraska and Tex A&M return.
North: NDSU, SDSU, Wyo, CSU, Neb, ISU, TT, TCU
South: NM, Bay, UT, A&M, KU, KSU, OU, OSU.
Big 10: Adds UConn & UMass
West: Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Mizzou, NW, Ill, Ind, PU
East: UM, MSU, OSU, PSU, Rut, MD, UConn, Temple?
SEC: FSU, Miami, Clemson & Louisville added. Loses A&M, Mizzou
West: Ark, LSU, Miss, MSU, Tenn, Vandy, KY, L'ville.
East: AU, UA, SC, Clemson, FL, GA, FSU, Miami
ACC: Adds the NE states. ND stays Indy.
South: WV, GT, VT, VA, NC, NCSU, Duke, WF
North: Pitt, SU, UMass (Fb only?), BC, DE, RI, NH, ME
This gives the CFP (new FBS division) 81 teams.
Still the best 4 teams for playoff and major bowls stay the same tie-in.
ND still has ties to ACC bowls/Orange bowl.
All other P5 bowls remain the same but now have more choices available and probably better teams.
Allocation of the CFP $$ can increase from the 75% to 90%?
While there will still be some upset folks, it won't be quite the ruckus as the people in each state will have at least a school in the club.
CFP schools can play 1 FBS/FCS school...
All D1 conferences are still intact and the P5 is still part of the NCAA.
FCS can merge in the lower FBS system.
High Schollie Conferences can form bowls on their own accord or have a playoff of their own and bowls.
MW, CUSA, AAC, MAC, Sunbelt, Missouri Valley, Big Sky, Big South, Ohio Valley, Southland, CAA, SoCon.
Low Schollie conferences will form their own bowl.
Patriot League vs Northeast Conference
Non-Schollie conferences can form their own bowl if wanted.
Pioneer League vs Ivy League.
The Southwestern and MAAC already have their Celebration Bowl so nothing changes on their end.
I doubt there would be much "letting" the P5 split off. They'd just do it because they wanted to. The left behinds would likely have a pretty decent anti-trust case for damages. You could literally start the damages clock all the way back to the Bowl Coalition/BCS era. At that point, the left behinds would have nothing left to lose--so why not file the suit. My guess is the P5 would have to figure out something that gave the left behinds something of value that they might lose if they went to court. Thats been the P5 strategy thus far.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - sierrajip - 07-10-2018 02:53 PM
(07-10-2018 08:32 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:(07-10-2018 08:27 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:(07-09-2018 03:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: (Just killing some time during the off season. )
P5 expands so that each state has at least a school in the club. (Those who have football existing...sorry Alaska & Vermont)
All existing P5 schools are included, nobody is kicked out.
The P5 expands to 16 teams each with Notre Dame still as an Indy.
My scenario.
PAC-16: The PAC adds a school from each of the following states: Hawaii, Nevada, Montana and Idaho.
North: OU, OSU, UW, WSU, U Mont, BSU, Cal, Stanford
South: HI, UNLV, USC, UCLA, ASU, UA, UU, CU
Big 12: Adds a school from North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, CSU. Also, Nebraska and Tex A&M return.
North: NDSU, SDSU, Wyo, CSU, Neb, ISU, TT, TCU
South: NM, Bay, UT, A&M, KU, KSU, OU, OSU.
Big 10: Adds UConn & UMass
West: Minn, Wisc, Iowa, Mizzou, NW, Ill, Ind, PU
East: UM, MSU, OSU, PSU, Rut, MD, UConn, Temple?
SEC: FSU, Miami, Clemson & Louisville added. Loses A&M, Mizzou
West: Ark, LSU, Miss, MSU, Tenn, Vandy, KY, L'ville.
East: AU, UA, SC, Clemson, FL, GA, FSU, Miami
ACC: Adds the NE states. ND stays Indy.
South: WV, GT, VT, VA, NC, NCSU, Duke, WF
North: Pitt, SU, UMass (Fb only?), BC, DE, RI, NH, ME
This gives the CFP (new FBS division) 81 teams.
Still the best 4 teams for playoff and major bowls stay the same tie-in.
ND still has ties to ACC bowls/Orange bowl.
All other P5 bowls remain the same but now have more choices available and probably better teams.
Allocation of the CFP $$ can increase from the 75% to 90%?
While there will still be some upset folks, it won't be quite the ruckus as the people in each state will have at least a school in the club.
CFP schools can play 1 FBS/FCS school...
All D1 conferences are still intact and the P5 is still part of the NCAA.
FCS can merge in the lower FBS system.
High Schollie Conferences can form bowls on their own accord or have a playoff of their own and bowls.
MW, CUSA, AAC, MAC, Sunbelt, Missouri Valley, Big Sky, Big South, Ohio Valley, Southland, CAA, SoCon.
Low Schollie conferences will form their own bowl.
Patriot League vs Northeast Conference
Non-Schollie conferences can form their own bowl if wanted.
Pioneer League vs Ivy League.
The Southwestern and MAAC already have their Celebration Bowl so nothing changes on their end.
Any plan that has S and N Dakota, Nevada, Umass, Wyoming playing while Houston, UCF, USF, Memphis, and BYU are left behind is crazy dumb.
Not when you have Senators of those states involved. Not much power Houston, UCF, USF, Memphis and BYU have in the federal politics.
In addition, this could lead to a 2 step process from a complete split from the NCAA. First expand, then split, then reorganize.
The 80 schools could split into 8 conferences of 10 teams with ND still as an Indy. 4 Team playoff could still exist and each conference champ tie to a Major Bowl. The PAC would go back to the old PAC-10 for example.
So why would the networks pay for this? What would be their initiative to get this done. They pay these schools next to nothing right now.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - Side Show Joe - 07-10-2018 06:41 PM
(07-09-2018 03:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: (Just killing some time during the off season. )
P5 expands so that each state has at least a school in the club. (Those who have football existing...sorry Alaska & Vermont)
All existing P5 schools are included, nobody is kicked out.
The P5 expands to 16 teams each with Notre Dame still as an Indy.
My scenario.
This gives the CFP (new FBS division) 81 teams.
Still the best 4 teams for playoff and major bowls stay the same tie-in.
ND still has ties to ACC bowls/Orange bowl.
All other P5 bowls remain the same but now have more choices available and probably better teams.
Allocation of the CFP $$ can increase from the 75% to 90%?
While there will still be some upset folks, it won't be quite the ruckus as the people in each state will have at least a school in the club.
CFP schools can play 1 FBS/FCS school...
All D1 conferences are still intact and the P5 is still part of the NCAA.
FCS can merge in the lower FBS system.
High Schollie Conferences can form bowls on their own accord or have a playoff of their own and bowls.
MW, CUSA, AAC, MAC, Sunbelt, Missouri Valley, Big Sky, Big South, Ohio Valley, Southland, CAA, SoCon.
Low Schollie conferences will form their own bowl.
Patriot League vs Northeast Conference
Non-Schollie conferences can form their own bowl if wanted.
Pioneer League vs Ivy League.
The Southwestern and MAAC already have their Celebration Bowl so nothing changes on their end.
The P5's would never agree to add those other state universities. The P5's are greedy and don't play well with others.
With each passing year, finances are becoming a bigger issue at G5 programs. I think the smart AD's realize we are in a G5 arms race, and the programs that can continue to invest and grow their programs over the next 10-15 seasons, will create a natural separation from other G5 programs. I don't think it's a conference vs. conference kind of battle either. Although I think everyone wants the programs in their conference to survive this purge, we all know that wouldn't be realistic. Because not every team can or will commit their financial resources, I think we are seeing an every man for themselves kind of Royal Rumble. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next several seasons. Just my take.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - Attackcoog - 07-10-2018 06:54 PM
(07-10-2018 06:41 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:(07-09-2018 03:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: (Just killing some time during the off season. )
P5 expands so that each state has at least a school in the club. (Those who have football existing...sorry Alaska & Vermont)
All existing P5 schools are included, nobody is kicked out.
The P5 expands to 16 teams each with Notre Dame still as an Indy.
My scenario.
This gives the CFP (new FBS division) 81 teams.
Still the best 4 teams for playoff and major bowls stay the same tie-in.
ND still has ties to ACC bowls/Orange bowl.
All other P5 bowls remain the same but now have more choices available and probably better teams.
Allocation of the CFP $$ can increase from the 75% to 90%?
While there will still be some upset folks, it won't be quite the ruckus as the people in each state will have at least a school in the club.
CFP schools can play 1 FBS/FCS school...
All D1 conferences are still intact and the P5 is still part of the NCAA.
FCS can merge in the lower FBS system.
High Schollie Conferences can form bowls on their own accord or have a playoff of their own and bowls.
MW, CUSA, AAC, MAC, Sunbelt, Missouri Valley, Big Sky, Big South, Ohio Valley, Southland, CAA, SoCon.
Low Schollie conferences will form their own bowl.
Patriot League vs Northeast Conference
Non-Schollie conferences can form their own bowl if wanted.
Pioneer League vs Ivy League.
The Southwestern and MAAC already have their Celebration Bowl so nothing changes on their end.
The P5's would never agree to add those other state universities. The P5's are greedy and don't play well with others.
With each passing year, finances are becoming a bigger issue at G5 programs. I think the smart AD's realize we are in a G5 arms race, and the programs that can continue to invest and grow their programs over the next 10-15 seasons, will create a natural separation from other G5 programs. I don't think it's a conference vs. conference kind of battle either. Although I think everyone wants the programs in their conference to survive this purge, we all know that wouldn't be realistic. Because not every team can or will commit their financial resources, I think we are seeing an every man for themselves kind of Royal Rumble. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next several seasons. Just my take.
I tend to generally agree with that take--though I do think some G5 conferences are blessed with more high investment teams than others. To that extent--there will be a secondary affect at the conference level as well.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - Side Show Joe - 07-10-2018 07:36 PM
(07-10-2018 06:54 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:(07-10-2018 06:41 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:(07-09-2018 03:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: (Just killing some time during the off season. )
P5 expands so that each state has at least a school in the club. (Those who have football existing...sorry Alaska & Vermont)
All existing P5 schools are included, nobody is kicked out.
The P5 expands to 16 teams each with Notre Dame still as an Indy.
My scenario.
This gives the CFP (new FBS division) 81 teams.
Still the best 4 teams for playoff and major bowls stay the same tie-in.
ND still has ties to ACC bowls/Orange bowl.
All other P5 bowls remain the same but now have more choices available and probably better teams.
Allocation of the CFP $$ can increase from the 75% to 90%?
While there will still be some upset folks, it won't be quite the ruckus as the people in each state will have at least a school in the club.
CFP schools can play 1 FBS/FCS school...
All D1 conferences are still intact and the P5 is still part of the NCAA.
FCS can merge in the lower FBS system.
High Schollie Conferences can form bowls on their own accord or have a playoff of their own and bowls.
MW, CUSA, AAC, MAC, Sunbelt, Missouri Valley, Big Sky, Big South, Ohio Valley, Southland, CAA, SoCon.
Low Schollie conferences will form their own bowl.
Patriot League vs Northeast Conference
Non-Schollie conferences can form their own bowl if wanted.
Pioneer League vs Ivy League.
The Southwestern and MAAC already have their Celebration Bowl so nothing changes on their end.
The P5's would never agree to add those other state universities. The P5's are greedy and don't play well with others.
With each passing year, finances are becoming a bigger issue at G5 programs. I think the smart AD's realize we are in a G5 arms race, and the programs that can continue to invest and grow their programs over the next 10-15 seasons, will create a natural separation from other G5 programs. I don't think it's a conference vs. conference kind of battle either. Although I think everyone wants the programs in their conference to survive this purge, we all know that wouldn't be realistic. Because not every team can or will commit their financial resources, I think we are seeing an every man for themselves kind of Royal Rumble. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next several seasons. Just my take.
I tend to generally agree with that take--though I do think some G5 conferences are blessed with more high investment teams than others. To that extent--there will be a secondary affect at the conference level as well.
I agree. Every program in the AAC is on board, while the MWC probably has 8 programs, and C-USA might have 4. I don't know about the MAC or Sun Belt, but my guess would be there might be 1 or 2 between them. Down the road as programs consistently outperform others in their conferences, on the field, in facilities, in personnel, and in recruiting, we could see some sort of reconfiguration or scheduling alliance among the higher revenue G5, but I think that is at least a few years down the road.
RE: Random thought of letting the P5 split-off - DavidSt - 07-11-2018 01:31 PM
One thing would hurt the P5. NCAA could boot them all from the NCAAs for all sports. They do not have enough schools playing certain sports. What I said before, there could be 4 tiers of D1 football and 2 divisions in D1 for all sports.
Tier 1 P5, and schools that they do considered P5 like. That means only some AAC and MWC schools get the P5 by named and Army.
Tier 2 would be the rest of the G5, Big Sky, MVFC, CAA, OVC, Southern, Southland, Kennesaw State, North Alabama, West Texas A&M and some others who expressed interests in FBS. Not sure all southern schools want to make the jump. Bring up the ones that are willing to move from OVC, A-Sun, Southern Conference to move up. Tier 2 could have a limit of having 10,000 for football attendance as a requirement. Tier 1 would be 25,000. Toledo would fit Tier 1 as well.
Tier 3 would be the rest of FCS, Lone Star Conference, GNAC, RMAC, CCAA, GAC, GLIAC, Gulf South, MIAA, PSAC, Sunshine State, and any D2 schools that want to move up.
Tier 4 would be little scholarships or no scholarships in football and other sports. Rowan and any D3 schools that want to try out D1 at the lowest level before moving up to Tier 3 could do so. Georgetown could fall down here if they want to. Would M.I.T. make the move as well if they could play IVY League schools every year? Some of the private schools that want to move up from D2 could try Tier 4 out for football and 1AA for the rest of the sports.