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(01-22-2018 01:01 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(01-22-2018 09:21 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-21-2018 09:09 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  

(01-21-2018 08:29 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Kelce and Celek were both gone before even Butch was here

I'm aware of that, I also don't need to be told that Mike Zimmer didn't coach under Tubs...
I was referencing Wilson + the receiver corps, Tion Greene etc.

With the exception of Wilson, Johnny Holton and MeKale McKay, those were all Butch's guys.

Looking back on Tubs recruiting, he brought in some decent transfers from other schools and JUCOs (Wilson, Kiel, McKay, Tyreek Burwell, Jaylyin Minor, , but his high school recruiting was the absolute drizzling shytes.

I understand why we're in our current predicament. That doesn't excuse his inability to win anything with what he initially inherited. I'm just bemused that he had that level of talent at the skill positions, the line wasn't nearly as bad as it is now and what did we have to show for it? It's like we might as well have had a strawman for a coach.