(01-18-2018 07:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 06:59 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 02:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 01:22 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  

(01-18-2018 12:19 AM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='quo vadis' pid='15000310' dateline='1516250515']
[quote='msm96wolf' pid='14999983' dateline='1516243497']
Surprising the Citrus outdrew the Peach.

And the ACC, other than Clemson in the post season was really nowhere to be found. They did crack the regular season top 5 with Alabama vs F.S.U..

Except, you know, that ACC teams were involved in the highest-rated non playoff bowl, the largest audience in a NY6 bowl, and 3 out of the next 4 most watched bowls that didn't have a SEC or B1G opponent.

What did that get you? They don't give out parting gifts like on game shows. The key words are, "that didn't have a SEC

or B1G opponent" and I hope you aren't counting Notre Dame here. Their football team isn't ACC. I didn't see what the Louisville vs Miss State drew. And that N.C. State game drew 3 million?

Im just pointing out you're wrong that "ACC other than Clemson in the offseason was nowhere to be found". The ACC will never match the TV ratings for the SEC or the B1G. Neither will the B12 or Pac12 for that matter. It's a competition for third place and always will be. Empirically, the ACC is doing just fine in that regard ...

Agreed. Both on the field and on TV, the ACC has never been a better football conference, and is doing fine.

With Miami, FSU, and Clemson, the ACC has three tier-one draws, and also a few second-tier draws, such as VT, Louisville, and North Carolina.

ACC football will never be ACC basketball but it is more than holding its own.

Except those numbers he listed don't jibe with the last two regular season games of the SEC which both drew over 13 million, nor do they coincide with the SEC's CFP numbers.

And on another note, while you are right that Slive's first ESPN deal wasn't stellar, the renewal with the SECN contract may prove to be fortuitous yet, especially if things continue to sag with millennials. We also have something we really didn't have in the first deal, better built in escalators.

If the Big 10 bet wrong on their 6 year deal it could wind up costing them a little bit.

And then we always have the right to renegotiate with additions. The real upside Quo is still in our gate and donations. The Big 10 will make 5 million dollars more than the SEC in T1 & T2 revenue for football & basketball this year Quo, but the SEC even with that deficit will average 12 million more per school than the Big 10 in gross total revenue. Let that sink in a bit.

And then there was the devaluation of the BTN last year as it dropped 150 million in value. I'll be interested to see if that was an anomaly when the reports come in around April of this year, or if it was a divestiture. It will also be interesting to see if FOX bids high for them in 5 years or if ESPN has the door open for them to step in.

The Big 10 will be fine, and so will the SEC. If the ACCN pays off at 70% of the SECN they'll pass the Big 12 and put distance between themselves and the PAC. That will be narrative changer if they can do that.

So by April we'll know a lot more about 2017. In April of 2020 when the ACCN figures are released we'll know a lot more.

And another thing to watch this year is how many NCAA tourney entrants the SEC gets. That could be several million more that we pick up. We've been having 3 or 4 make it in and so far this year we are projected to place 8 in the field.