(01-17-2018 02:48 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 11:05 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 11:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 10:51 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 10:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You know what, how about this...lets see if anyone wants to do a straight-up swap of property in Hattiesburg and San Francisco.

What does that have to do with anything? My folks had a large lot on Benedict Canyon road in Los Angeles/Beverly Hills. Sold it for a fortune. Took a TINY bit of that money and bought a quaint piece of property south of Hattiesburg that's fantastic, peaceful and very private.
We had a condo in San Francisco that used to be very nice but then the city became a garbage dump so we sold it for another ridiculous sum. San Francisco has become a cesspool of insanely overpriced concrete. Everyone we knew there got out while the gettin was good. It's a total freak show.

Again, there's a very small number of people that trade California for Mississippi. Especially those that had housing taken care of there. Again, if one is straight, conservative, white, cis, Christian, and conservative (or at least willing to agree that those things should be supreme) then Hattiesburg is doable. Most people who leave California do it for liberal areas in other states or within California.

I lived in California for 5 years. Housing was always the big cost. Once I got that sorted, I noted that my expenses were really only about 10 percent more than Texas. Including taxes. Now, this was San Diego, not SFO.

Nope. Not letting you get away with this one.

I'm about 95% sure you can be gay in the deep south and do just fine. I also don't think that atheists, agnostics, Jews, or Hindi populations have issue in the deep south as well.

There are non-accepting families all across America - and the Northeast is actually TERRIBLE for this. I've heard so many white/liberal NYers use the n-word that it would blow your mind. I never heard it fricking once in Louisiana.

A lot of the "hateful" shite the South gets is just dated reputation that doesn't actually hold water in 2018.

This statement in bold is foolish.

Outside of the City of New Orleans and Atlanta, its not really doable to be Gay.

Heck in Mississippi you can't even get your partner buried.
In Alabama, you can't get a hospice bed.
You can't get a nursing home bed within 80 miles of Layfayette, Louisiana.

In Mississippi, you also can be legally denied healthcare. Its getting so bad, I'm about to ask if my medevac policy covers domestic travel.

My God, if you're the parent of a Transgendered kid, where the hell would you even send the child to school?

The only son of a Southern Governor is Gay. From what I've been told (repeatedly), He was beat half to death in what was described as a gay bashing outside a college bar and his father, the then Attorney General....did everything to avoid getting justice for his own kid. They shipped the kid to Austin. That kids dad is now an extremely anti-Gay governor of a Southern state, where he has been a leader in advancing extreme levels of discrimination. While its true that this particular Governor is a truly repulsive human being, hes really a product of the state. Now that was told to me third hand by about 20 different people, so caveat emptor. BTW, I'm friends with a child of another ex-Attorney General from that same state. That kid's dislike of the Deep South is extremely intense.

I know Gay people who've stayed. There's always the one kid who for whatever reason that can sail thought it. Good for him. The others who stay are really accepting of their third or fourth class status, or who don't have other choices. And then there are a few that just cant imagine living anywhere else (They know it sucks).

If youre outside New Orleans and Atlanta, the Gays you run into are a small subset of the people from there.

Going out in a place like Mobile is always interesting. Its usually a really young crowd. Basically, 70 percent of the people there at 21, are somewhere else by age 25. Jackson and Lafayette are the same way.

For a company looking to transfer a Gay person who isn't from the Deep South to the Deep South....whoa...that would be a huge problem. Gays from outside the Deep South are frequently raised in the belief that they are to expect to always be treated like they're human beings. No. They're not going to be able to adjust easily to fifth class status in Tupelo.

I get it. People who aren't Gay don't see the same marginalization and exclusion that we do. And perhaps they WANT to think that there isn't a problem. But there are still lots of problems. If you're Gay, you're better off leaving in the vast majority of cases.

Companies that want to attract the talents of LGBT persons, are better off just paying the extra money to be outside the Deep South. People won't move there. And a raft of RFRA laws aren't going to make it easier to attract them.

Honestly, unless HR is quota shopping for diversity, companies aren't looking for prospective employees based on who they sleep with. They just aren't.

As well, you talk about gays not wanting to live in the deep south, my bet is they would rather not be in any non-coastal area of the country save for the largest cities. There just isn't much of a "gay community" in any sort of numbers except the biggest cities. For example, I doubt that Decatur Illinois, Rapid City South Dakota, or Mansfield Ohio have much of a gay scene going on.....