(02-26-2018 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 09:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 06:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 06:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 02:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Your explanation is no explanation at all, as it assumes the validity of the NCAA Subdivision designation as defining who a school's peers are for the purpose of determining a champion.

But I've explained to you at least twice now why that designation is meaningless. Your job, therefore, isn't just to declare it meaningful because that designation merely exists, but to explain why a national championship that doesn't comport with the outlines of that NCAA designation is a farce.

Explain why the fact that the MEAC isn't in the same NCAA subdivision as the SEC while the Sun Belt is means that the SEC is obligated to systematically compete with the Sun Belt champ and not the MEAC champ for a national title it earns to be regarded as not a Farce.

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Because your premise is flawed. The MEAC is NOT in the same SUBDIVISION as the SEC (The Football Championship Subdivision is not the same as the Football Bowl Subdivsion). In EVERY sport where the two conferences are in the same NCAA subdivision, they each compete for the same trophy and each conference champ has an autobid to said championship. Heck, FCS championship didnt exist until the late 1970"s. The only reason the FBS subdivision operates as it does is tradition. The quasi private/public bowl partnership was unique to college football and the accepted method of naming a champion sort developed unofficially over time. Thats why you have disputed championships. We now have a mechanism to create a unified champion, though its unified in name only--and in practice is rigged and has lost credibility with about half the member schools. There isnt a single reasonable college sports reporter that really believes it would ever allow a G5 to play in the CFP.

Finally, if they dont compete for the same championship--why are so many Bama fans whining and crying on twitter because UCF has declared 2017 to be a Knights National Championship season? Bama' fans arent whining about the FCS National Champ.

First, I said that the MEAC isn't in the same subdivision as the SEC so why repeat it back to me?

Second, Alabama fans aren't 'whining', they are laughing at UCF. They would laugh just the same if the FCS champion was claiming they were champs alongside or over Alabama as well.

Third, you keep bitterly talking about the "hand-picked P5 committee members" who make the selection, but fail to mention that it's not just the committee, but every other significant selecting mechanism, human or computer, would have made the same selections. AP poll? Coaches poll? Neither would have had UCF in the playoffs. Heck, neither would have UCF in a 4-team playoff *after* they beat Auburn. Sagarin? Massey Composite? Composite of former BCS computers? All had UCF well outside the top four. So it's silly to harp about the alleged 'P5 bias' of the committee when its selections just about perfectly comport with all other entities that don't have a P5 bias. And heck, the mechanism is such that it always keeps at least one P5 champ out too. This year, two P5 champs were kept up, you don't hear them whining.

There's still zero explanation as to why mere membership in the same NCAA subdivision means that the SEC is obligated to compete with the Sun Belt for a national championship. The reason is, there is no such reason.

The CFP bills itself exactly as what it is: The national championship of those conferences that have agreed to choose their champion via the CFP. That's it, no different things an the Super Bowl being the official championship game of the NFL.

Beyond that, though, even if you think the CFP is bogus because its selection mechanism keeps the G5 out, there's still not been a good reason given as to why this makes the CFP champ "bogus".

All you're saying is that the CFP champ is really the champ of just the P5 conferences, and not of the G5 conferences. But that doesn't make the CFP/P5 champ any more or less bogus because they also didn't allow FCS or DII teams to compete for their title either.

No. The SEC doesn’t have to compete with the Sunbelt for championships. What does that have to with anything when the SEC actually designed the system and chose to be in a championship with the Sunbelt. Your talking in circles. That said they are in FBS with the Sunbelt. That’s a fact. Any silly semantic argument you wish to make won’t change that. Only the schools can change that.

I'm not talking in circles, I've just asked for an answer to questions that those harping about the bogus-ness of the CFP keep refusing to answer.

I've explained why the Sun Belt "being in the FBS" with the SEC is irrelevant to this issue, and ColKurtz did a great job of explaining why it is irrelevant - better than I did but the point was made.

As for the CFP and who is in: That makes the point as well. The Sun Belt agreed to participate in the CFP system, as did the AAC, etc. so they have zero grounds to complain about it.

Lol. You can whine and stamp your feet and roll on the ground in tears. At the end of the day, the Sunbelt and SEC are both FBS. You don’t have to agree for it to be a fact. As for the CFP system, it’s a rigged system. Pretty obvious as well. Nobody, even yourself, believes a G5 will ever be selected, even if Bama and ULL switched players for a season.