(02-27-2018 10:33 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 08:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 01:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 09:34 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 12:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  If the bolded statement were true, then we should include all of Division I in a post season tournament to determine a national champion. But the FBS was a subdivision created by the NCAA for the express purpose of having a group of schools that will NOT have an NCAA championship tournament.

These are schools who prefer to participate in bowl games instead. Every school in the FBS made that choice voluntarily and willingly. They did so because they felt that it was in their self interest to do so. They were not coerced in any way, despite the labored analogies that would paint the P5 in the role of the Mafia.

Yes, that's one reason why i keep mentioning the MEAC, though I could mention any other FCS conference.

G5 clowns who whine about the lack of a playoff with their conference champ included don't seem to mind that the MEAC and other FCS conferences would be excluded, even though they are all included in the NCAA hoops tournament.

FBS was never created with a playoff among FBS schools/conferences in mind, so there is no natural, moral, or competitive sense in which it is a "league" that should have its own playoff with auto-entry from all conferences.

???? We dont mind because no FCS team is in the FBS. Are any FCS teams eligible for FBS bowls? They are different subdivisions. In fact, that pretty much destroys this silly point. FCS teams are not not eligible for bowls---which is essentially the FBS post season. G5's ARE eligible for bowls (just like the SEC). Why on earth would any thinking person believe that another subdivision would be eligible for the FBS playoff? You're not making any sense whatsoever. Your MEAC point really couldnt be more off target.

I think you are missing the salient point here. That point is that the FBS is in no sense a "league". This point was made in response to the suggestion that every league has a championship that is equally open to all its members.

I think G5 supporters who wish for a tournament that includes all conference champions should be careful what they wish for. Because then there may well be a league that forms that does not include them at all. And it may not include them for other sports as well, including basketball.

Would you want that?

YES, I’ll take a 100% separation including all sports and leaving the NCAA, I feel like the timing is right for a change like this, and yeah, I am wishing for this, sooner the better

I suspect you would be part of a very small minority of fans. I also suspect that no current FBS schools would join your movement (they could leave today if they wanted to).

Essentially, they would be following the Ivy League's approach, except most don't have the huge endowments that enable the Ivies to have athletics with little to no outside revenues to fund them.

Right now, the only reason most D-I schools get to compete against the major conferences is NCAA membership. The power conferences, once freed from the NCAA, no longer would have any real need to include, and share revenues with, between 250 and 300 schools they have little to no affinity with. For most of those schools, athletics will cease to be a marketing arm for their schools, and will be conducted for their own sake if at all.

Maybe pure amateur athletics for its own sake is an admirable thing. I just doubt you would have that many takers from among schools that are already struggling financially.