(03-03-2018 04:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 08:58 AM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 09:02 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 06:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  To my knowledge, nobody in the SEC or any place else has claimed a national title based on anything but the BCS/CFP, or AP or coaches poll the past 45 years. All those cases where SEC and others make bizarro claims are from before 1975, when the polls voted before the bowls, and when other institutions were recognized as also being title designaters.

But UCF claims based on Colley-Matrix computer?

Who else does that? E.g. Alabama was #1 in Colley-Matrix in 2016 (when they lost to Clemson in the CFP title game), but they don't claim that as a title.

You know when even Alabama declines to claim a title, it's truly bogus, LOL.

Notre Dame, like UCF, was #1 in Colley-Matrix in 2012, they have never claimed that as a title.

This notion that Colley-Matrix alone means there is a "split title" is absurd.

Heck, the fact that CM had Alabama and Notre Dame #1 those years even after they lost the BCS/CFP title games tells us what we know about its credibility.

All it tells me is Alabama and Notre Dame got a chance to prove it on the field. Undefeated UCF didn't get that opportunity.

It should tell you a few other things:

1) On its own terms, Colley-Matrix seems to be a bizarro system, as it actually picked ND #1 and Alabama #1 despite losing title games.

2) The fact that these power teams, famous for claiming whatever titles they can, haven't claimed their alleged Colley titles tells you that Colley has zero credibility as a stand-alone title selector.

Truth is, even if you think the CFP is still mythical and doesn't produce a legit champ like the NCAA hoops tourney, the accepted standard in college football for the past 45 years is that you can claim a 'share' of a title if you win either the coaches or AP poll. That's the standard, and UCF doesn't meet it.

3) Actually, 126 other teams didn't get a chance to "prove it on the field" either, because only 4 teams made the playoffs. Undefeated means nothing, as no other sports league requires that you be undefeated to make the playoffs.

Usually, the designation is division/conference. If you win your division or conference, you make the playoffs regardless of your record. E.g., the Giants can go 9-7, but if they win the NFC East, they make the playoffs.

The equivalent in college football is the conference, but UCF wasn't the only conference champ not to make the playoffs. Only 3 of the 10 FBS conference champs made the playoffs. 7 were left out, including two P5 champs, but only one is claiming "national title", LOL.

4) Even if we agree that UCF should have been in the playoffs and was screwed out of being in them, it is still absurd for them to claim the title, because it assumes they would have won something they didn't win, the playoffs. It's like me thinking "you know, my Redskins should have made the playoffs but the NFL screwed us, therefore since we didn't get to PLAY in them but should have, we can act like we not only played in them but WON them, and declare ourselves champs over the Super Bowl winner!" That's just absurd, acting like you won something you didn't.

Those are the things you should have learned from my post.

What other sport do you go undefeated an not make the playoffs?

Again you're NFL comparison is beyond dumb. Did the Redskins win all their games and get kept out of the playoff?

Did you really just mention UCF going undefeated yet again? As I've explained, that's completely irrelevant, because in the NFL or NBA, teams all have very similar schedules, and that's because they have ZERO control over their own schedules. Whereas in college football, SOS can be very different, and teams get to schedule 4 games of their own choosing, meaning they can cherry pick who they play.

It is ridiculous for any team to be able to schedule 1/3 of their games, and then shout "We went unbeaten! Therefore we belong in the playoffs!"

The "if you are unbeaten you automatically make the playoffs" concept only works if an impartial body is doing the scheduling for the teams involved. It can't be an imperative if the teams control the scheduling of any of their own games.

Really, really dumb.

And the NFL comparison is spot-on, because in the example it doesn't matter why the Redskins were screwed out of the playoffs. It could be because of record, or rules, whatever. They, like UCF allegedly, were "screwed" when they should have made the playoffs.

But even if UCF was totally screwed out of being in the playoffs, it does not follow at all that this means they can act AS IF they won those playoffs. They didn't win them, so they didn't win the title.

Good Lord.

Look your NFL comparison is terrible, every NFL team starts the season in control of their own destiny. No NFL team gets screwed out of the playoffs.

As far as scheduling a team in the AAC has to schedule their big game or 2 big games against an elite team 3 or 4 years in advance and hope that's not the year FSU, USC, Michigan or whoever they schedule goes 8-5.

If the flawed system doesn't allow an undefeated team the opportunity to compete for a National Championship, I have no problem with the only undefeated team in college football claiming they are co-national champion.