(03-03-2018 06:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 08:58 AM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 08:07 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 09:02 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  All it tells me is Alabama and Notre Dame got a chance to prove it on the field. Undefeated UCF didn't get that opportunity.

It should tell you a few other things:

1) On its own terms, Colley-Matrix seems to be a bizarro system, as it actually picked ND #1 and Alabama #1 despite losing title games.

2) The fact that these power teams, famous for claiming whatever titles they can, haven't claimed their alleged Colley titles tells you that Colley has zero credibility as a stand-alone title selector.

Truth is, even if you think the CFP is still mythical and doesn't produce a legit champ like the NCAA hoops tourney, the accepted standard in college football for the past 45 years is that you can claim a 'share' of a title if you win either the coaches or AP poll. That's the standard, and UCF doesn't meet it.

3) Actually, 126 other teams didn't get a chance to "prove it on the field" either, because only 4 teams made the playoffs. Undefeated means nothing, as no other sports league requires that you be undefeated to make the playoffs.

Usually, the designation is division/conference. If you win your division or conference, you make the playoffs regardless of your record. E.g., the Giants can go 9-7, but if they win the NFC East, they make the playoffs.

The equivalent in college football is the conference, but UCF wasn't the only conference champ not to make the playoffs. Only 3 of the 10 FBS conference champs made the playoffs. 7 were left out, including two P5 champs, but only one is claiming "national title", LOL.

4) Even if we agree that UCF should have been in the playoffs and was screwed out of being in them, it is still absurd for them to claim the title, because it assumes they would have won something they didn't win, the playoffs. It's like me thinking "you know, my Redskins should have made the playoffs but the NFL screwed us, therefore since we didn't get to PLAY in them but should have, we can act like we not only played in them but WON them, and declare ourselves champs over the Super Bowl winner!" That's just absurd, acting like you won something you didn't.

Those are the things you should have learned from my post.

What other sport do you go undefeated an not make the playoffs?

Again you're NFL comparison is beyond dumb. Did the Redskins win all their games and get kept out of the playoff?

Did you really just mention UCF going undefeated yet again? As I've explained, that's completely irrelevant, because in the NFL or NBA, teams all have very similar schedules, and that's because they have ZERO control over their own schedules. Whereas in college football, SOS can be very different, and teams get to schedule 4 games of their own choosing, meaning they can cherry pick who they play.

It is ridiculous for any team to be able to schedule 1/3 of their games, and then shout "We went unbeaten! Therefore we belong in the playoffs!"

The "if you are unbeaten you automatically make the playoffs" concept only works if an impartial body is doing the scheduling for the teams involved. It can't be an imperative if the teams control the scheduling of any of their own games.

Really, really dumb.

And the NFL comparison is spot-on, because in the example it doesn't matter why the Redskins were screwed out of the playoffs. It could be because of record, or rules, whatever. They, like UCF allegedly, were "screwed" when they should have made the playoffs.

But even if UCF was totally screwed out of being in the playoffs, it does not follow at all that this means they can act AS IF they won those playoffs. They didn't win them, so they didn't win the title.

Good Lord.

Don't be ridiculous. Any school outside the P5 is very limited with their schedule. Even BYU as an independent can't get that strong a schedule. This system is stacked against them.

They aren't acting as if they won the playoffs. They aren't claiming the playoff title. They are claiming they are the best since everybody else lost and they beat the team who beat the two teams in the title game.

I don't think they are nearly as good as Alabama or Georgia (or even Auburn), but its not an absurd argument as you claim.

Nothing here refutes my point that shouts of "we were unbeaten!" mean nothing if a team got to craft its own schedule. That's setting up your own pins to knock them down.

The reason the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. guarantee that an unbeaten team must make the playoffs is because their schedules are 100% impartially created.

And transitivity is ridonculous. We can see that by the fact that Clemson and LSU also both beat Auburn - who beat Georgia and Alabama. So using UCF logic, that means they can claim they were better than Alabama too, because they beat the team that beat Alabama.

But guess what? When LSU and Clemson both played Alabama - they both lost! I guess that means that if you beat a team that beat Alabama, it doesn't quite necessarily mean you are better than Alabama, LOL.

UCF has no claim to be "best" at all. They went unbeaten vs the #75 schedule and they didn't win the playoffs. That's the formal truth.

The informal truth, for those who like tradition, is the polls. And both polls picked someone other than UCF. Those pollsters all knew that UCF was the only unbeaten, and had beaten Auburn, who beat Alabama and Georgia. It wasn't like that information was kept hidden from them until after they voted, LOL.

And guess what? They didn't vote UCF anywhere near #1. Not even in the top 5. And historically, at least since the 1970s, no claim of a "split" title has had any credibility if you didn't win one of the polls. Zero. That's what "split" has meant since at least 1975.

UCF has nothing. Zero.