nate jonesacc Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

nate jonesacc Wrote:And what's this? Duhon is averaging less turnovers than Gilchrist, Duhon, Jack and Hodge?

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Are you kidding me? This coming from the guy who continually bashed Steve Blake (who might I add has far better numbers than Duhon ever could). Give up please. Duhon leads the ACC in Assists...ok. What else does he lead in?

WHERE DID I BASH STEVE BLAKE?

He is having a better year than your beloved John Gilchrist. Just face the facts.

Techfan, a PG's first and foremost responsibility is to get assists. If he can score too... great. But someone who scores but does not dish out plenty of assists is NOT a good point guard.

Face what facts? On a previous post I did state the facts that clearly state that while Duhon leads in assists, he is clearly less of a offensive player than JC. Remember Nate, JC is a sophomore. His numbers are already leading him to be one of the best PG's in the history of the ACC. Duhon won't even come close. Let's look into the future a little. Who do you think will be a better nba player? If you say Duhon, you are a fool.

Of course by his senior year Gilchrist will be better than Duhon. I have never argued otherwise.

But we are talking about THIS YEAR.

Duhon is the 2nd best PG in the ACC THIS YEAR.

nate jonesacc Wrote:Of course by his senior year Gilchrist will be better than Duhon. I have never argued otherwise.

But we are talking about THIS YEAR.

Duhon is the 2nd best PG in the ACC THIS YEAR.

What basis are you establishing this 2nd best crap? He is second in assists...that's it...nothing else. So who ever leads in assists is the best point guard? Just stupid Nate.

Based on that assumption then I can say the same based on scoring....JC scores the most so he is the best....or Billet has the highest 3 pt % so he is the best...or Jack has the most rebounds so he must be the best.

Why don't you admit that the stats don't lie and Duhon is the 4th or 5th at best complete PG?

1) Felton
2) JC
3) Paul
4-5) Jack or Duhon

kaisersayzo Wrote:Why don't you admit that the stats don't lie and Duhon is the 4th or 5th at best complete PG?

If the stats don't lie, then Duhon should be the POY. His numbers are comparable to TJ Ford's so obviously they should just go on and hand out the trphy to Duhon. :rolleyes: Being the best PG means more than just what your stat line is.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:Why don't you admit that the stats don't lie and Duhon is the 4th or 5th at best complete PG?

If the stats don't lie, then Duhon should be the POY. His numbers are comparable to TJ Ford's so obviously they should just go on and hand out the trphy to Duhon. :rolleyes: Being the best PG means more than just what your stat line is.

For someone who has a lot to say, you sure are stupid. TJ was the glue of the team and the last second hero. Duke has 4 other players that support Duhon (not the other way). TJ had to work with much less of a team, thus he had to carry them. When has Duhon ever carried Duke?

Let's face it, without Deng, Reddick, and Williams...Duhon would just plain suck. TJ was POY because he made his team much better than they were. Duhon does nothing like that.

Quote:JC scores the most so he is the best....or Billet has the highest 3 pt % so he is the best...or Jack has the most rebounds so he must be the best.

JC? Jesus Christ? I think you meant JG, or am I missing something???

Ford did a whole lot more with his speed, thats totally off the subject.

kaiser---I'm not following your rankings with JG as #2. I would say Duhon is better than JG. Gilchrist is a little raw still. He only had 1 assist vs. Tech the other night. He hit a lot of his shots, but was very selfish the entire game. He has to learn to be unselfish. Paul and Jacj are pretty close...we'll see tonight who is better.

Quote:When has Duhon ever carried Duke?

Now this is just plain ignorant. You obviously don't watch much Duke basketball cause your statments clearly proves it. Duhon is the center of the team. Duke's starting lineup consists of 1 senior, 2 sophmores, a junior, and a freshman. Who else would run the point on this extremely young team? He's held Duke together for almost 2 whole years. Duhon is not the great scorer people predicted him to be, but he has developed into a PG with the role of distributing the ball. Look his sophmore year. He had the likes of Jason Williams, Carlos Boozer, Dahntay Jones, and Dunleavy. That doesn't give him many points to score. But he became the PG which allowed JWill and Dunleavy to get open because they didn't have to handle the ball. Last year, he had to help players like Redick and Williams adjust to a new level of play. Now, that carries over to this year, with Williams, Redick, and Deng. Without him, the above three would be extremely ineffective considering none of them are PGs and require that someone maintain a steady, focused game. Duhon's ballhandling is essential to Duke's success.

Quote:Let's face it, without Deng, Reddick, and Williams...Duhon would just plain suck.

And vice versa. Duhon is the reason these players are so effective.

All of you are wrong. It is blatantly obvious that Duke would suck if Duhon AND Deng, Reddick, and Williams were missing. It takes you people so long to get things sometimes.

techfan4 Wrote:

Quote:JC scores the most so he is the best....or Billet has the highest 3 pt % so he is the best...or Jack has the most rebounds so he must be the best.

JC? Jesus Christ? I think you meant JG, or am I missing something???

Ford did a whole lot more with his speed, thats totally off the subject.

kaiser---I'm not following your rankings with JG as #2. I would say Duhon is better than JG. Gilchrist is a little raw still. He only had 1 assist vs. Tech the other night. He hit a lot of his shots, but was very selfish the entire game. He has to learn to be unselfish. Paul and Jacj are pretty close...we'll see tonight who is better.

I refer to JG as JC as a Christ joke. As for the Paul and Jack contest...I agree. Those guys have a whole world of talent. Right now, I just believe Gilcrist has as much talent as either and the ability to score at will. Remember JG has gone against Jack and Felton so far and both had to switch off JG because they just couldn't handle them.

Bottom line though, Paul, JG and Jack are better basketball players than Duhon. Rank them however you want. All I know is 3 sophomores and one freshman are making one over-hyped senior very nervous.

ps. Very impressive win last night. That Bynam kid is on fire.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

Quote:When has Duhon ever carried Duke?

Now this is just plain ignorant. You obviously don't watch much Duke basketball cause your statments clearly proves it. Duhon is the center of the team. Duke's starting lineup consists of 1 senior, 2 sophmores, a junior, and a freshman. Who else would run the point on this extremely young team? He's held Duke together for almost 2 whole years. Duhon is not the great scorer people predicted him to be, but he has developed into a PG with the role of distributing the ball. Look his sophmore year. He had the likes of Jason Williams, Carlos Boozer, Dahntay Jones, and Dunleavy. That doesn't give him many points to score. But he became the PG which allowed JWill and Dunleavy to get open because they didn't have to handle the ball. Last year, he had to help players like Redick and Williams adjust to a new level of play. Now, that carries over to this year, with Williams, Redick, and Deng. Without him, the above three would be extremely ineffective considering none of them are PGs and require that someone maintain a steady, focused game. Duhon's ballhandling is essential to Duke's success.

Quote:Let's face it, without Deng, Reddick, and Williams...Duhon would just plain suck.

And vice versa. Duhon is the reason these players are so effective.

No actually I watch every Duke game that I can (which is basically all of them). What you fail to understand is that Duhon could be easily exchangeable with any other non-scoring point guard in the ACC. It's so funny how you Dukies now praise him when 2 years ago you bashed Steve Blake for not being more like JWill. Now that you have a lesser (and I mean lesser) Steve Blake style player on your team, you try to build him up to be greater than he is. Don't even try to tell me that having one more outside and inside scoring threat wouldn't help your team. The fact is Duhon is a good passer and that's it. Chris Paul, Felton, Jack ad JG would all be much better on Duke's team than Duhon. Can you imagine how much better these other PG's are going to be in their senior year's?

kaisersayzo Wrote:

techfan4 Wrote:

Quote:JC scores the most so he is the best....or Billet has the highest 3 pt % so he is the best...or Jack has the most rebounds so he must be the best.

JC? Jesus Christ? I think you meant JG, or am I missing something???

Ford did a whole lot more with his speed, thats totally off the subject.

kaiser---I'm not following your rankings with JG as #2. I would say Duhon is better than JG. Gilchrist is a little raw still. He only had 1 assist vs. Tech the other night. He hit a lot of his shots, but was very selfish the entire game. He has to learn to be unselfish. Paul and Jacj are pretty close...we'll see tonight who is better.

I refer to JG as JC as a Christ joke. As for the Paul and Jack contest...I agree. Those guys have a whole world of talent. Right now, I just believe Gilcrist has as much talent as either and the ability to score at will. Remember JG has gone against Jack and Felton so far and both had to switch off JG because they just couldn't handle them.

Bottom line though, Paul, JG and Jack are better basketball players than Duhon. Rank them however you want. All I know is 3 sophomores and one freshman are making one over-hyped senior very nervous.

ps. Very impressive win last night. That Bynam kid is on fire.

No the reason JG was swapped off was because Muhammad plays much tighter defense, is taller and bigger, and as we saw, forced turnovers out of JG.

Gilchrist was a little too selfish. He often had guys wide open underneath, but never got them the ball. Not just that, he doesn't have as many guys to go to, but I think if there is someone wide open you have to get them the ball.

techfan4 Wrote:

kaisersayzo Wrote:

techfan4 Wrote:

Quote:JC scores the most so he is the best....or Billet has the highest 3 pt % so he is the best...or Jack has the most rebounds so he must be the best.

JC? Jesus Christ? I think you meant JG, or am I missing something???

Ford did a whole lot more with his speed, thats totally off the subject.

kaiser---I'm not following your rankings with JG as #2. I would say Duhon is better than JG. Gilchrist is a little raw still. He only had 1 assist vs. Tech the other night. He hit a lot of his shots, but was very selfish the entire game. He has to learn to be unselfish. Paul and Jacj are pretty close...we'll see tonight who is better.

I refer to JG as JC as a Christ joke. As for the Paul and Jack contest...I agree. Those guys have a whole world of talent. Right now, I just believe Gilcrist has as much talent as either and the ability to score at will. Remember JG has gone against Jack and Felton so far and both had to switch off JG because they just couldn't handle them.

Bottom line though, Paul, JG and Jack are better basketball players than Duhon. Rank them however you want. All I know is 3 sophomores and one freshman are making one over-hyped senior very nervous.

ps. Very impressive win last night. That Bynam kid is on fire.

No the reason JG was swapped off was because Muhammad plays much tighter defense, is taller and bigger, and as we saw, forced turnovers out of JG.

Gilchrist was a little too selfish. He often had guys wide open underneath, but never got them the ball. Not just that, he doesn't have as many guys to go to, but I think if there is someone wide open you have to get them the ball.

Hey I agree. Don't pretend though that Jack could handle JG. The switch was smart and a good call. If Jack would have stayed on JG, JG would have either fouled him out of scored 40. I agree that he should have passed the ball more. G'Tech played great defense though. Everytime I saw a dribble penetration, the defenders had the lanes cut-off. McCray never saw the hoop the entire night. Christ, Nik couldn't drive at all. He went 1 for 10. Sure, he shot badly but keeping him stationary is a sign of great defense. My hat is off to G'Tech...they won the game fair and square.

Can't wait to see you in Comcast though.

Bwahaha...if we can win at Joel, we can win in Comacst

kaisersayzo Wrote:It's so funny how you Dukies now praise him when 2 years ago you bashed Steve Blake for not being more like JWill.

Show me where I bashed Blake.

The lack of college basketball knowledge on this thread is just ridiculous.

I have no reason to like Duhon over any other Duke player. You have a reason to dislike him (announcers kissing his *** like hell).

techfan4 Wrote:Bwahaha...if we can win at Joel, we can win in Comacst

Don't get any ideas techie....

:laugh: