According to the Atl. Journal Constitution, it's all doom and gloom on the expansion front. They seem to think Tech, FSU, and Clempsun would be better off bolting for the SEC...

Quote:On Saturday, the ACC's nine presidents held their fourth meeting in the past 12 days and again took no vote on expansion. The three previous meetings with no votes could be explained away. This time, however, it may signal that the ACC's expansion movement is in trouble.

Saturday's meeting was supposed to be about the possibility of adding Virginia Tech as a 13th member. Boston College, Miami and Syracuse already have been wined and dined and are just waiting for the official invitation.

The ACC needs seven votes to extend invitations. Duke and North Carolina don't want to expand to 12 teams, period. Virginia can't vote yes unless Virginia Tech is included.

So last Thursday the ACC presidents said to Virginia Tech: Would you be interested if we asked? Their response: Ask first, and put it in writing.

The ACC presidents were expected to decide Saturday if they wanted take that formal step toward Virginia Tech. But, according to people familiar with Saturday's meeting, at some point it became clear that if Virginia Tech were voted on as the 13th member of the ACC, the seven necessary votes would not be there. So now the ACC is at an impasse. Duke and North Carolina won't budge. Virginia has to support Virginia Tech, but the votes aren't there for a 13-team league.

What happens next? It could get very ugly.

One option would be to invite Miami, Virginia Tech and then choose between Syracuse and Boston College. In that scenario, we hear Syracuse would be out.

North Carolina Chancellor James Moeser continues to push the compromise idea of only adding Miami. Before now, the idea has gotten little support among ACC presidents because NCAA rules say a conference must have 12 teams to hold a championship football game. UNC officials believe that rule could be changed. Adding only Miami also would salvage the Big East and therefore the lawsuit might go away.

The final, last-ditch effort would be to change the ACC's bylaws so that only six votes were needed to expand. But what took place Saturday, according to those familiar with the process, is an indicator that the six votes necessary would not be there either.

But keep this in mind. If expansion completely falls apart in the next 10 days and the ACC has to continue with nine teams into its next TV contract (2006), that will not be the end of the story. Life will not go on as normal.

Commissioner John Swofford probably would not stick around after such a major disappointment.

If this expansion effort blows up, causing the ACC national embarrassment, the reality is that two schools (Duke, UNC) made it happen.

Schools like Florida State, Georgia Tech and Clemson, who recruit against a 12- team SEC and have poured millions into their programs, will wonder if their interests are best served in a nine-team ACC.

The SEC is not currently in expansion mode, commissioner Mike Slive told me Friday. But what if some combination of FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Miami picked up the phone and said they wanted to come?

For years these schools have believed college football is headed in this direction. Those schools believe the era of 12-team super conferences in football is a train that already has left the station. If something doesn't change in 10 days and expansion dies, they may have to leave the ACC in order to get on board.

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JoltinJacket Wrote:According to the Atl. Journal Constitution, it's all doom and gloom on the expansion front. They seem to think Tech, FSU, and Clempsun would be better off bolting for the SEC...

Quote:On Saturday, the ACC's nine presidents held their fourth meeting in the past 12 days and again took no vote on expansion. The three previous meetings with no votes could be explained away. This time, however, it may signal that the ACC's expansion movement is in trouble.

Saturday's meeting was supposed to be about the possibility of adding Virginia Tech as a 13th member. Boston College, Miami and Syracuse already have been wined and dined and are just waiting for the official invitation.

The ACC needs seven votes to extend invitations. Duke and North Carolina don't want to expand to 12 teams, period. Virginia can't vote yes unless Virginia Tech is included.

So last Thursday the ACC presidents said to Virginia Tech: Would you be interested if we asked? Their response: Ask first, and put it in writing.

The ACC presidents were expected to decide Saturday if they wanted take that formal step toward Virginia Tech. But, according to people familiar with Saturday's meeting, at some point it became clear that if Virginia Tech were voted on as the 13th member of the ACC, the seven necessary votes would not be there. So now the ACC is at an impasse. Duke and North Carolina won't budge. Virginia has to support Virginia Tech, but the votes aren't there for a 13-team league.

What happens next? It could get very ugly.

One option would be to invite Miami, Virginia Tech and then choose between Syracuse and Boston College. In that scenario, we hear Syracuse would be out.

North Carolina Chancellor James Moeser continues to push the compromise idea of only adding Miami. Before now, the idea has gotten little support among ACC presidents because NCAA rules say a conference must have 12 teams to hold a championship football game. UNC officials believe that rule could be changed. Adding only Miami also would salvage the Big East and therefore the lawsuit might go away.

The final, last-ditch effort would be to change the ACC's bylaws so that only six votes were needed to expand. But what took place Saturday, according to those familiar with the process, is an indicator that the six votes necessary would not be there either.

But keep this in mind. If expansion completely falls apart in the next 10 days and the ACC has to continue with nine teams into its next TV contract (2006), that will not be the end of the story. Life will not go on as normal.

Commissioner John Swofford probably would not stick around after such a major disappointment.

If this expansion effort blows up, causing the ACC national embarrassment, the reality is that two schools (Duke, UNC) made it happen.

Schools like Florida State, Georgia Tech and Clemson, who recruit against a 12- team SEC and have poured millions into their programs, will wonder if their interests are best served in a nine-team ACC.

The SEC is not currently in expansion mode, commissioner Mike Slive told me Friday. But what if some combination of FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Miami picked up the phone and said they wanted to come?

For years these schools have believed college football is headed in this direction. Those schools believe the era of 12-team super conferences in football is a train that already has left the station. If something doesn't change in 10 days and expansion dies, they may have to leave the ACC in order to get on board.

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Maybe not the SEC but the Big East... :D

There is always the prreviously mentioned form a "new" conference! :chair:

The 4 North Carolina schools run this conference. They are committed to keeping this conference in the dark ages.

The ACC office is located in NC.

The ACC commissioner is a UNC graduate.

Did we expect them to be fair and honest?

Eff the NC schools.

Well...they'll be getting their wish soon.

'Cause in the end...There ain't gonna be nothing left
but Carolina schools.

Could there be a new conference on the horizon...

Hmmm...

North
Syracuse
Bost Coll
W Va
Pitt
Maryland
Va Tech

South
Fla St
Clemson
Ga Tech
Miami
UCF
USF

Football: 9 of the 12 schools were in bowls last year.
USF...was 9-2 and didn't go to a bowl...BUT beat
5 bowl teams.

Basketball: The last two National Champions...

Baseball: The southern division...all average 40 wins
a year or better.

The Best Extra of all: NC State is voting yes...because
it wants to keep Amato. No expansion...Then say
hello to the next Head Coach at Florida State.

There will be no new conference, they would have to wait to long to get bowl status and BBall tournament status...MsNole we would welcome you with open arms in the new BE conference... :D :D :D