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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BlueDevil:
One definition of redneck is ... reactionary bigot</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">These statements are bigoted:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">majority are southerners not smart enough for Duke or Emory or other similarly priced schools</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Southerners as a group tend to be more conservative and racist</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
07-17-2002 01:27 PM
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BPD - he ain't 35. In fact I am certain this tool is under the age of 18 based on what I have seen in the member database.
07-17-2002 01:27 PM
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Basketball and football.

More importantly, why wouldn't Syracuse, BC, Miami, Penn State, UMD, UVA, Duke, UNC, GT, and FSU, want to be part of the best league in the nation in every way while doubling or tripling exposure and revenue?
07-17-2002 01:30 PM
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Damn, he's not 18 but he's already graduated from Duke. He must be on their new 3 month program.
07-17-2002 01:33 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BlueDevil:
the best league in the nation </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you are talking about all sports the best league in the nation is the Pac 10 and it's hardly even close for second.

However, this past season the ACC managed to place all 9 teams into the top 50 of the Sears cup rankings, which tells me the ACC is quite solid athletically.
07-17-2002 01:37 PM
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Bluedevil keeps saying:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wake, NCSU, and Clemson are mediocre to horrendous in everything and do not contribute</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Despite the fact that representatives from each school have stepped up and soundly disproved that, he keeps cutting and pasting the same paragraphs from earlier posts rather than facing the fact that those schools are competitive, in both a conference and national level, in several sports.

Keep repeating yourself Bluedevil, maybe it will magically become true the 1000th time <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" />
07-17-2002 01:39 PM
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Bottom line is Syracuse, BC, Miami, and Penn State are better in sports and TV markets, etc., than Wake, NCSU, and Clemson, whether the latter 3 are competitive or mediocre or horrendous or not, that's what matters along with the tremendous increases in exposure and revenue.

Clemson and NCSU fans have posted recently about wanting to leave the ACC. Why would Wake fans want to stay? Wake may get money it doesn't deserve but the fans don't get any of it, they just get to watch their team lose. Clemson fans often say they would rather be in the SEC and with 15 NCAA violations per year they would fit right in. A new Big East allsports conference with NCSU, Wake, Clemson, VT, WVU, Pitt, Rutgers, UConn, Louisville, Cincinnati, Temple, and East Carolina, could have good football and basketball and TV regions and keep its BCS bid while adding a lucrative conference championship game in football. That conference would be very competitive within itself in both football and basketball. All the schools could continue to play their old rivals, just like UVA plays VT, UGA plays GT, FSU plays UF, etc.

If Syracuse, BC, Miami, Penn State, UMD, UVA, Duke, UNC, GT, FSU, would be the best conference in the nation in every way, far better than ACC or Big East or Big 10 in every way, and far more profitable for each school, why shouldn't they form it?

<small>[ July 17, 2002, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: BlueDevil ]</small>
07-17-2002 01:48 PM
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Nice post Upper Deck Chevey. It's like there's a echo in here. Here's an idea Blue Balls, try responding to other posts instead of reapeating what you've already said.

And don't EVER say Clemson Football is not competitive. Duke is the last team to accuse any team of not being competitive in Football.
07-17-2002 01:48 PM
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When and where have you ever heard Clemson fans say they want to leave the ACC? Apparently dumb just became dumber.

And putting Clemson in the Big East would ruin some good rivalries. Clemson vs South Carolina is a given OOC game. Clemson is trying to restart the Clemson vs Georgia rivalry again, another OOC game. Clemson vs. GT has become a rivarly that I don't want to see end. And finally Clemson vs. FSU is the beginning of a rivalry that i would like to see continue.

That's 4 great rivalries and if Clemson moved to the Big East one or more would be ruined. I like the ACC and so do most Clemson fans.
07-17-2002 01:59 PM
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Your insistence in including BC in the discussion leads me to believe you are nothing more than some teenage chowderhead who has listened to one too many of Daddie's stories about Flutie.

Pausing for a second to consider your stupid suggestion, BC soooooo obviously does not belong in that group of schools.
07-17-2002 01:59 PM
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Lucy
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How interesting is this? Blue Devil, master of the "posts so long no one can read one without taking a nap in the middle", just posted this on the Duke board:

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here's an interesting Chronicle article about how Duke made the wrong choice for AD, they knew way back when he was hired that the choice and search process was handled very poorly, and this is long before Alleva showed he may be the worst AD in sports history:

<a href="http://www.chronicle.duke.edu/story.php?article_id=11654" target="_blank">http://www.chronicle.duke.edu/story.php?article_id=11654</a>

If Alleva is incapable of considering more than one candidate, Wake Forest's baseball coach has done very well lately making the College World Series, while Duke hasn't even made the NCAA tournament in several years if ever. Stanford has one of the best baseball programs in the nation, winning a number of national championships, and their AD Ted Leland is considered the best in the country. Notre Dame also has a great AD, athletics, and baseball. There is no reason Duke
shouldn't have an outstanding baseball or football
program or topnotch AD.

Duke needs to have a capable AD and competent search committees that work with discretion to handle hiring of new ADs and coaches in the future. Wake Forest AD Ron Wellman has done a fantastic job, hiring great coaches like Grobe in football and Prosser in basketball, along with the best field hockey coach in America and others, plus he has an influential position within the NCAA. Arizona State wanted him last year even before he made his two big hires of
Grobe and Prosser. Wellman should get many more
offers in the near future, and Duke, one of the top athletic programs in the nation which has the
potential to equal Stanford overall, should do what it takes to hire him as soon as possible.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Contradicting yourself, Blue Devil? Actually admiring Wake Forest's baseball coach, AD, field hockey coach, football & basketball coaches? And you want them to leave the ACC? Hmmm, maybe because you see the day coming soon when Wake will supplant Duke? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
07-17-2002 02:10 PM
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That's why I want them to leave ACC, Wake has had the best luck in recent years they could possibly hope for and yet they still suck in sports and always will because of size and location and lack of name recognition, etc., imagine how bad they'll be if their best coaches leave after being offered by better schools. Duke's AD sucks but it's still the most nationally televised sports program pro or college in the world and therefore perhaps the most valuable conference member in America, imagine how great Duke would be with a good AD.

BC has tremendous potential in all areas, good academics and basketball, football is on the rise and finished top 25, plus they won hockey national title going to 4 straight final fours, the real benefit of BC is it's the only school in the nation with a whole huge region New England all to itself and that means great recruiting territory and much more TV coverage and revenue for all Atlantic League schools.

Clemson has a rivalry with South Carolina, in the ACC their biggest rivalry is NCSU with the socalled textile bowl and even NCSU barely cares about CU. The Bowdens would much rather not play each other, Tommy Bowden is supposedly on the hot seat according to football writers and Bobby really doesn't want to have to beat his son while trying to win a national title. CU has played VT plenty of times recently, plus a rivalry with WVU is a natural, and other football schools like Pitt, and maybe other good programs ECU, Louisville, etc., plus of course NCSU and Wake.

<small>[ July 17, 2002, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: BlueDevil ]</small>
07-17-2002 02:12 PM
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So we are now down to basketball and football as sports the NCSU, Wake, and Clemson do poorly in?

Two out of three of these teams played in the NCAA tourney last year, and two out of three played in bowl games.

First of all, NCSU has two national championships in basketball. The went through a little drought in basketball (basically the worst they've been ever), and now they are on the rise again. They also played in bowls the last two years....

Wake is the last team other than UNC or Duke to win the ACC tournament. They have traditionally been good at basketball for awhile now, and are consistently in the NCAA tournament. Wake has a relatively poor history in football but has begun to turn that around under Grobe.

Clemson has a national championship in football and ruled the ACC for years until FSU arrived. Except for a few blips here and there, they have never been "bad" in football -- not recently, at least.

Clemson basketball is about the only argument you have here.

Want to try again?

<small>[ July 17, 2002, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: JD Heel ]</small>
07-17-2002 02:16 PM
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So now Clemson doesn't have a rivalry with Georgia Tech. Any Tech fans want to comment on how intense the past couple or six football games have been. Or how closely the two baseball teams have played. Plus with Georgia Tech being the closest ACC school to Clemson it's a natural rivalry. Clemson vs Georgia Tech is one of the most intense football games in the ACC.
07-17-2002 02:24 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BlueDevil:
That's why I want them to leave ACC, Wake has had the best luck in recent years they could possibly hope for and yet they still suck in sports and always will because of size and location and lack of name recognition, etc., imagine how bad they'll be if their best coaches leave after being offered by better schools. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Excuse me while I laugh. <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[laugh]" title="" src="graemlins/laughing.gif" />

Suck at sports...3 ACC championships in baseball in past 5 years (1998, 1999, 2001)...final four in field hockey past 2 years...NCAA appearance in men's basketball and NIT championship in men's basketball...2 bowl appearances in past decade (1992, 1999)...nationally ranked men's & women's cross-country, track, golf & tennis teams...national women's tennis player of the year...Yeah, Wake sucks. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />

Keep digging that hole.

<small>[ July 17, 2002, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: Lucy ]</small>
07-17-2002 02:35 PM
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Wake has the worst alltime winning percentage of all 117 div.IA football programs, and one final four from 40 years ago, it really has done nothing for the ACC and in fact taken money from the schools that earned it. College basketball changed completely in mid 80s with shot clock, 3 pointers, and 64 team NCAA field, before that there were final scores like 7-6 and huge underdogs like Villanova or NCSU having a chance in NCAA, but no more. NCSU benefitted tremendously from having first 13 ACC tourneys in Raleigh in Reynolds Coliseum, enrolling 400 SAT bball morons, and cheating with Valvano, but haven't done squat with 1 NCAA bid in over 10 years, plus it has second worst football history in NC. Clemson had to fire their titlewinning coach for cheating, and still has 15 NCAA violations every year and bad basketball.

Those 3 can't measure up to Syracuse with 15 straight winning seasons and counting in football plus national title and ESPN's best player ever Jim Brown, biggest basketball stadium in world, and best lacrosse national champs, and NY market, BC with all of New England to itself as well as good football and basketball, best hockey national champs, and great potential, Miami with 5 football national titles and baseball too, and Penn State which also has multiple football titles and biggest school and stadium in east and great overall sports and TV market.

Even if NCSU, Wake, and Clemson, were just as good or even better than Syracuse, Miami, BC, and PSU, and of course they're not, the new locations and TV markets would be far more profitable for UMD, UVA, Duke, UNC, GT, and FSU.

Wouldn't the Atlantic League be better in football, basketball, overall sports, rivalries, exposure, revenue, etc. compared to ACC, Big East, Big 10, as well as best in the nation instead of 2nd of 2 in southeast?

<small>[ July 17, 2002, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: BlueDevil ]</small>
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BlueDevil:
still has 15 NCAA violations every year</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Link please?
07-17-2002 02:39 PM
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This 15 violations a year thing is starting to piss me off. Do you even know the background of these violations. No. Well let me inform you.

All of our violations are self reported. While most colleges wait until they are caught we have the morals to admitt a mistake has occurred. And mistakes is all that they are. I haven't heard of any violations from this past recruiting season but i do know of a couple from the year before.

One violation occured when a group of recruits and their parents were touring the campus. Some of the parents complained of the heat and asked for something to drink. They were provided with water while on the tour. Giving the parents water was in violation with NCAA rules and Clemson reported itself.

Another violation occured when a recruit was touring the campus and saw a friend that attends Clemson. The two had a conversation while the recruit was on his tour. This is also in violation of NCAA and again Clemson reported itself.

How many schools do you know that would have self reported themselves for these violations? Not many. If Blue Balls wants to kick Clemson out for these "15 violations a year", they need to kick out every other school in the ACC, because I guarantee these things happen at every school we just happen to admitt to it.
07-17-2002 02:54 PM
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Actually it may be more than 15 per year.

<a href="http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/sports/3378707.htm" target="_blank">http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/sunnews/sports/3378707.htm</a>

"Posted on Sat, Jun. 01, 2002

Clemson reports 15 NCAA violations
The Associated Press

CLEMSON — Clemson's athletic department has reported 15 cases of NCAA rules violations between June and April, including athletes who racked up long-distance charges on a coach's calling card."

<a href="http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:Y34Z0EF8DVUC:www.angelfire.com/folk/clemsonscolors/+clemson+13+ncaa+violations&hl=en&ie=UTF-8" target="_blank">http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:Y34Z0EF8DVUC:www.angelfire.com/folk/clemsonscolors/+clemson+13+ncaa+violations&hl=en&ie=UTF-8</a>

"News & History
2002 ...

02/21 Football - An article on cnnsi.com revealed that Clemson is tied for 8th on the all-time offenders list by the number of violations committed by a football program.
02/08 Track - Clemson's David Collins was arrested for firing a gun on campus.
02/02 Football - Clemson quarterback Willie Simmons was arrested following an incident involving campus police. Simmons was charged with public disorderly conduct.
2001
12/04 Football - Travis Zachery and Akil Smith were arrested. Smith is charged with three counts of sale of marijuana and sale of marijuana within proximity of a school. Zachery faces a charge of distribution of marijuana.
06/19 Football - Alex Ardley Ardley was arrested and charged with drunken driving after crashing a SUV through the living room of a Tallahassee home.
05/15 Football - The NCAA has decided to re-open their investigation into The Gaffney Gate Scandal.
05/11 Football - Clemson officials are scrambling to report secondary violations to the NCAA and discipline themselves in hopes that the NCAA will not decide to launch a thorough investigation into the illegal activities surrounding the football coaching staff.
04/04 Football - William "Refrigerator" Perry has been arrested and charged with criminal domestic violence after asaulting his wife.
03/29 Football - Paul White, Marcus Lewis, and Tyrone Dickerson were dismissed from the team after being charged with five counts each of first-degree burglary, one count each of interference with a fire alarm and one count each of simple larcency.
03/03 Football - Tommy Bowdon's released the Spring depth chart and revealed that the 2 felons from 12/07/2000 case were indeed still on the team.
02/16 Athletics - Clemson University reported 10 NCAA violations between July of 2000 and January 2001 .
01/02 Football - Alex Ardley was kicked off the football team for vialoation of team rules. All he did was get ejected from the Gator Bowl and then told Tommy Bowdon exactly what he thought of him.
2000
12/24 Football - Wells-Scott case is uncovered. South Carolina Grad. Asst. Robby Wells was fired after it was learned he turned over materials sensitive to the USC football program to Brad Scott.
12/07 Football - Four Clemson University students, including two football players, have been indicted by a federal grand jury on felony charges related to counterfeiting. Football player Eugene Koon and Paul White have been suspended from the team.
10/04 Football - The Gaffney Gate Scandal was revealed by an unknown source. What is known is that recuits from Gaffney High School were paid large sums of money to do yard work at Tommy Bowden's new house.
08/30 Football - Recruit Todd McClinton became the second recruit to fail to qualify after it was evident that he had cheated on his SAT.
07/22 Athletics - Clemson released its bi-annual report of NCAA violations. Eleven violations were reported for the period January of 2000 through June 2000. Most infractions were committed intentionally by the football coaching staff knowing that the infractions would not be harsh. Clemson repeats the same violations over and over again, but it's a case where the benefits outweigh the consequences.
07/17 Football - Recruit Brandon Jamison failed to qualify after it was evident that he had cheated on his SAT. "The Clemson Informant" told me Clemson did not assist him, but did put a lot of pressure on the young man.
07/08 Football - Keith Jennings, a former Clemson star and tight end for the Chicago Bears, was arrested and charged with cocaine possession.
06/16 Baseball - Casey Stone has been suspended for his next NCAA Tournament game for his role in the brawl with Louisiana-Lafayette following the Tigers' 5-4, season-ending loss at the CWS.
06/14 Baseball - The Clemson baseball players started a fight following their loss to UL-Lafayette in the CWS. In that moment they managed to sum up Clemson's entire athletic history - classless.
04/30 Football - Brandon Rouse died at a Clemson movie theater after suffering a heart attack caused by a congenital heart defect. "The Clemson Informant" tells me there has been some discussion concerning why the condition was not caught during previous physical examinations. The feeling of some on campus is that a lawsuit should and will be filed against Clemson. The hope is that Clemson will not continue to commit such huge oversights in the future.
03/29 Football - Prospects Cov Woodley(OT), Alvin Young(OT), and Clark Hadley(DL) from Union County High School in north Florida had planned to spend some time visiting Clemson, but left the campus abruptly because they were treated rudely. The 3 stayed there about 15 minutes and left.
03/28 Football - During a local interview session Tommy Bowdon called a DNR official a clown and a bad citizen after he received a $125 ticket for fishing without a license. Tommy Bowdon feels he is above the law and should have received special treatment from the officer.
02/11 Athletics - Clemson reported 9 violations to the NCAA and 4 violations to the ACC for the period of June '99 to January 2000. Most of them were recruiting violations by the football coaching staff.
01/27 Football - In an interview with Rick Dorsey of the Augusta Chronicle, Tony Horne complained that he was a victim of politics, racism and prejudice by the students and fraternities while at clemson.

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1999
11/18 Football - DoMarco Fox intentially broke the jaw of South Carolina's punter Courtney Leavitt. The play was over and the kicker had already made it off the field when Fox speared Leavitt in the chin. It's believed that the hit was ordered from the Clemson staff because Leavitt's poor career was the cause for Brad Scott's firing from University of South Carolina.
11/18 Football - Javis Austin attempted suicide. "The Clemson Informant" tells me that the growing cocaine problem among Clemson football players and the inability to cope with Tommy Bowden's rhetoric may have played a part in Austin's decision.
08/05 Athletics - Clemson Official tells reporters that 20 or more NCAA violations is not unusual for Clemson.
07/27 Athletics - Clemson reports 13 violations for the 1997-98 academic year and 21 violations for the 1998-99 academic year. "
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