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to be paid, right? can we just write all of this corporate welfare off to the world bank?)

The Hidden Costs of War
William D. Hartung
Executive Summary



War Without End? - The Costs of the New Military Buildup



The Bush administration’s war on terrorism and its proposed military intervention in Iraq have sparked the steepest increases in military and security spending in two decades.



Since September 11, 2001, the federal government has approved over $110 billion in increased military spending and military aid. Spending on national defense is slated to reach $399 billion in the FY 2004 budget, and to rise to over $500 billion by the end of this decade.



These vast sums do not include the costs of the ongoing war in Afghanistan or a war with Iraq. Those costs will be paid for through supplemental spending bills.



Steven Kosiak of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments estimates that only about one-third of the Pentagon’s new spending from 2001 to 2003 was devoted to anti-terror activities, and that only 5 to 10% of the FY 2003 Pentagon budget is being set aside for these purposes.



The greatest potential driver of military and security costs in the coming decade is the open-ended nature of the Bush administration’s national security strategy. The administration has moved from rapidly from a focus on acting against 'terror networks of global reach,' to a commitment to displace regional tyrants like Saddam Hussein, to a pledge to use American military might to promote 'democracy and free markets' worldwide.



The Hidden Costs of War: A Historical Perspective



As Robert Hormats of Goldman Sachs International has observed, 'History is littered with gross underestimates of the cost of war . . . The first world war was originally forecast to be short and inexpensive. The Vietnam War cost 90 percent more than forecast.'



Yale economist William D. Nordhaus has suggested that governments often understate the costs of conflict because 'If wars are thought to be short, cheap, and bloodless . . . it is easier to persuade the populace and the Congress to defer to the President.'



Major American wars of the past half century have differed widely in their budgetary and human costs, from $2.8 trillion and 290,000 U.S. casualties in World War II to $76 billion and 148 casualties for the 1991 Gulf War. Each conflict has also had its own unique 'hidden costs.' Deficit financing of the Vietnam War helped spur the 'stagflation' of the 1970s - slow growth and high inflation. The 1991 Gulf conflict had an unprecedented rate of 'postwar casualties': more than one-quarter of the veterans of that war are receiving benefits to deal with service-related medical problems ranging from memory lapses and fatigue to cancer and birth defects. The costs of treating Gulf War-related injuries and illnesses is $2 billion per year.



Rolling the Dice on 'Gulf War II': Real Money, Real Risks



'The big story of an Iraqi war will likely be all the negative consequences that arise, such as slumping confidence, an undermining of real equity wealth . . . and increased risk premiums. The negatives are the things that are going to shine through, because the positive boosts to GDP growth coming from a relatively modest defense buildup are not enough to make much of a difference in a $9/$10 trillion nominal economy.'



Joel Prakken, Chairman
Macroeconomic Advisors
November 2002

The Bush administration has yet to offer a detailed estimate of the costs of U.S. intervention in Iraq. In September 2002, then chief White House economic advisor Lawrence Lindsey made an off-the-cuff estimate of $100 to $200 billion, and suggested that substantial sum represented 'nothing' in the context of the U.S. economy. In December 2002, Office of Management and Budget Director Mitch Daniels suggested that the costs of a war with Iraq would more likely be in the range of $50 to $60 billion, but he offered no data to support that estimate.



Studies by Congressional analysts suggest that the budgetary costs of a war with Iraq are more likely to be in the $100 to $200 billion range suggested by Lawrence Lindsey than the $50 to $60 billion range cited by Mitch Daniels.



A September 2002 report by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office made the following estimates of the components of cost for a war in Iraq: 1) $9 to $13 billion to deploy a substantial military force to the Persian Gulf; 2) $6 to $9 billion for the first month of conflict, and $5 to $8 billion for each month of combat thereafter; 3) $1 to $4 billion per month for peacekeeping/postwar occupation; and 4) a $5 to $7 billion one-time cost for redeploying U.S. forces to their home bases after the war.



If CBO’s estimates hold true, a three month war followed by a two year occupation would cost between $58 and $92 billion.



A related analysis by the Democratic staff of the House Budget Committee puts the initial costs of a war with Iraq, involving 30 to 60 days of combat, at $48 to $93 billion. Once the additional costs of rebuilding and stabilizing the country in the aftermath of war are taken into account, the report suggests that 'a new war with Iraq could easily cost as much as $200 billion.'



Unlike the first Gulf War, when more than 80% of U.S. war costs were paid for by allies like Germany, Japan, and Saudi Arabia, this time around the United States will have to pay the costs mostly on its own. In some cases there will actually be substantial net costs involved in recruiting allies. For example, the Bush administration has pledged an aid package of approximately $14 billion in grants and long-term loans for Turkey in exchange for Ankara’s agreement to let U.S. air and ground forces launch a 'northern front' against Iraq from Turkish soil.



Two non-governmental studies of the costs of war with Iraq beyond go beyond the budgetary costs addressed in Congressional analyses to examine the full costs of war to the U.S. economy. Economist William Nordhaus has evaluated six major cost factors involved in a war with Iraq:
1) the direct costs of combat; 2) occupation and peacekeeping; 3) postwar reconstruction; 4) humanitarian assistance; 5) the impact on oil markets; and
6) the impacts on the economy as a whole.



Nordhaus estimates that the costs of a conflict with Iraq could range from $99 billion to $1.9 trillion over the next decade. He explains the wide range of the estimates as follows:



'Returning to the metaphor of war as a giant roll of the dice, we might say that the United States could end up paying the low costs of around $100 billion if the dice come up favorably. If some dice come up unfavorably, the costs would be between the high and low cases. However, if the United States has a string of bad luck or misjudgments during or after the war, the outcome could reach the $1.9 trillion of the high case.'



The Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) has also produced a range of estimates of the costs of war with Iraq.



Under CSIS’ best case, a four to six week war 'without any problems,' economic growth actually increases slightly, and U.S. unemployment moves down steadily from over 6% now to about 5% by the end of 2004. In the intermediate case, a six to twelve week war with difficulties but 'no political catastrophes,' the war pushes oil prices up substantially, resulting in a 1.75 percent drop in U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and unemployment stays above 6% for a year or more. In the worst case, which involves 'serious attacks on oil facilities, serious use of chemical or biological weapons, and serious problems with our allies,' oil prices hit $80 per barrel, GDP drops 4.5 percent in the first year after the conflict, and unemployment jumps to 7.5% and stays above 7% for a year or more.



This wide range of economic outcomes - from mildly positive to seriously negative - underscores the uncertainties involved in going to war with Iraq at this time. These uncertainties are compounded by the fact that a 'Gulf War II' will be substantially different than the first Persian Gulf conflict or the war in Afghanistan.



General Joseph Hoar, the retired former chief of the U.S. Central Command, has suggested that driving Saddam from power could be substantially more difficult than driving Iraqi troops from Kuwait, particularly if it involves significant urban combat. Military expert Anthony Cordesman notes that Iraq still retains substantial military forces, and that 'some of these forces are almost certain to be loyal and to fight effectively. . . there are some [Iraqi] Republican Guard brigades that have more heavy weapons than were operational in all of the Al Qaeda and Taliban forces combined in Afghanistan.'[emphasis added]



The economic impacts of a war with Iraq will be made more severe by the way in which the Bush administration is choosing to finance the war effort, by running deficits and pressing for major tax cuts even as military spending costs continue to mount. With deficits slated to top $300 billion in 2004 even before the costs of war are factored in, there is a real danger that the United States will project an image of ongoing budgetary disarray that could undermine private investment and the value of the dollar. David Gilmore of Foreign Exchange Analytics suggests that 'investors are not happy with the fact that [a war] is more or less a go-it-alone operation . . . The geopolitical risks get spread more if it’s multilateral, and the economic cost gets spread more.'



A rush to war without full allied support could also prompt a backlash against U.S. products. From airliners and computer software to soft drinks and fast food, analyst Jon Alterman of CSIS suggests that in a worst case scenario, war with Iraq 'could drive anti-Americanism that hits American producers pocketbooks.'



Considering the Alternatives: Opportunity Costs of Military Spending and War



The federal government’s ability to respond to non-military needs, both domestic and international, is already severely circumscribed. Spending on national defense accounts for 51% of federal discretionary spending in the FY 2004 budget, more than all other federal priorities combined. Interest on the national debt is slated to grow from roughly $160 billion this year to $254 billion by 2008. Something will have to give.



To give a sense of the opportunity costs involved in running high military budgets and pursuing a policy of 'preemptive'
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Okay, JBR, point was made, but this is nothing new. George the Dumber is going to be, already is, the Repub version of that great Demo, Lyndon Baines Johnson. The Repubs here will be offended, but the conservatives here actually find a narrow bit of ground to agree upon with you pie in the sky types.

So what's to do. Put the government on a war footing, forget new or enhanced entitlements, place conservative judges on the federal bench to protect the treasury, and tell the young spoiled punks who make up so much of the electorate to suck it up and get on with their lives by their own efforts. Taxation should be radically reformed, with the sole purpose of raising revenue for serious government purposes. (Robert Byrd projects, TRentalottus Rex projects are not). Cut back on entitlements, privatize social security, tell the various victim groups to screw themselves. In a word, serious government for serious times.
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"Cut back on entitlements, privatize social security, tell the various victim groups to screw themselves. In a word, serious government for serious times."

Yes, let's cut back on the biggest sow sucking on the biggest teat: the military-industrial complex.

This war did not have to be fought. Just keep that in mind.

And where does social security come into play? If anything's ever worked the way the government said it would, it's that.

And wipe out what little is left of the social safety net.

Do you realize how incompatible with your faith that is?
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Quote: Yes, let's cut back on the biggest sow sucking on the biggest teat: the military-industrial complex.

'Peace through strength' no good anymore? Oh, that's right, I forgot. We're the bad guys. Wouldn't hurt my feelings to live in the bubble where wars aren't neccesary. Since I don't, I'll just let that sow keep sucking my teat.

Quote: And where does social security come into play? If anything's ever worked the way the government said it would, it's that.

And wipe out what little is left of the social safety net.

And it's almost bankrupt because gov't handles it.

Quote: Do you realize how incompatible with your faith that is?

As an anarchist, isn't any gov't function incompatible with your beliefs? That's not an invitation to educate me, FYI.
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Suddenly, everybody wants some action.

::sigh:: It's so hard to be the big gun in the Wild West. :eek:

"We're the bad guys. Wouldn't hurt my feelings to live in the bubble where wars aren't neccesary. Since I don't, I'll just let that sow keep sucking my teat."

Did I say we were the bad guys?

And did I say we had to live in a perfect world?

Straw, meet man.

Hi, Strawman!

Your sow got out of the gate and is gutting the cow next door. You'd better go check on her.

"And it's almost bankrupt because gov't handles it."

Uh huh. Just because you say so, right?

"As an anarchist, isn't any gov't function incompatible with your beliefs? That's not an invitation to educate me, FYI."

Any display of ignorance is an invitation to educate, my dear boy.

As an anarchist, I believe that ultimately we would all be a lot happier without government, yes. If you would like to hear all about anarchosyndicalism, I'll tell you (and how it differs from anarchism). We can spin our own utopias as far as the eye can see.

But since we live in this world, I'd rather have the government holding my pension rather than Enron, WorldCom, et al.
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joebordenrebel Wrote:"Cut back on entitlements, privatize social security, tell the various victim groups to screw themselves. In a word, serious government for serious times."

Yes, let's cut back on the biggest sow sucking on the biggest teat: the military-industrial complex.

This war did not have to be fought. Just keep that in mind.

And where does social security come into play? If anything's ever worked the way the government said it would, it's that.

And wipe out what little is left of the social safety net.

Do you realize how incompatible with your faith that is?
Maybe I am wrong, but nowhere have I seen in scripture that Christ came to ordain Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, etc. So far as I can determine, he didn't even come to abolish slavery.

Christ did not found a charitable foundation, one that was to give money out. Rather, he focused his teachings on the individual,and charity was an important thing. But not of itself. It was because by practicing charity one shows and practices God's love. Charity, properly understood, is a moral virtue that individuals practice. It is not a government program.

Beyond that, one ought to remember that Christ didn't have much patience with liars and politicians. Since Social Security is a mere pyramid scheme, he would not have thought much of it. And if you Gen x types don't hurry up and get jobs and have lots of babies, y'all are going to be in a world of hurt when you start looking for yours.
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"Charity, properly understood, is a moral virtue that individuals practice. It is not a government program."

But it was the very failure of this individual charity that led to the establishment of the government program known as social security, correct?

And you really think a private company (paying company CEO's 1,229 times what the average worker makes) will be a better way?

Published on Friday, March 5, 2004 by the New York Times



Social Security Scares



by Paul Krugman

 



The annual report of the Social Security system's trustees reveals a system in pretty good financial shape. In fact, it would take only modest injections of money to maintain that system's current benefit levels for at least the next 75 years. Other reports, however, appear to portray a system in deep financial trouble. For example, a 2002 Treasury study, described on Tuesday in The New York Times, claims that Social Security and Medicare are $44 trillion in the red. What's the truth?

Here's a hint: while even right-wing politicians insist in public that they want to save Social Security, the ideologues shaping their views are itching for an excuse to dismantle the system. So you have to read alarming reports generated by people who work at ideologically driven institutions — a list that now, alas, includes the U.S. Treasury — with great care.

First, two words — "and Medicare" — make a huge difference. According to the Treasury study, only 16 percent of that $44 trillion shortfall comes from Social Security. Second, the supposed shortfall in both programs comes mainly from projections about the distant future; 62 percent of the combined shortfall comes after 2077.

So does the Treasury report show a looming Social Security crisis? No.

Social Security's problem, such as it is, is a matter of demography: as the population ages, the number of retirees will rise faster than the number of workers. As a result, benefit costs will rise by about 2 percent of G.D.P. over the next 30 years, and creep up slowly thereafter. By comparison, making the Bush tax cuts permanent would reduce revenue by at least 2.5 percent of G.D.P., starting now. That — combined with the fact that Social Security, unlike the rest of the federal government, is currently running a surplus — is why the Bush tax cuts are a much bigger problem for the nation's fiscal future than the Social Security shortfall.

Medicare, though often lumped in with Social Security, is a different program facing different problems. The projected rise in Medicare expenses is mainly driven not by demography, but by the rising cost of medical care, which in turn mainly reflects medical progress, which allows doctors to treat a wider range of conditions.

If this trend continues — which is by no means certain when we are considering the very long run — we may face a real long-term dilemma that involves all medical care, not just care for retirees, and is as much moral as economic. It may eventually be the case that providing all Americans with the full advantages of modern medicine will force the government to raise much more money than it now does. Yet not providing that care will mean watching poor and middle-class Americans die early or suffer a greatly reduced quality of life because they can't afford full medical treatment.

But this dilemma will be there regardless of what we do to Social Security. It's not even clear that we should try to resolve the dilemma now. I'm all for taking the long view; when the administration makes budget projections for only five years to hide known costs just a few years further out, that's an outrage. By all means, let's plan ahead. But let's set some limits. When people issue ominous warnings about the cost of Medicare after 2077, my question is, Why should fiscal decisions today reflect the possible cost of providing generations not yet born with medical treatments not yet invented?

The biggest risk now facing Social Security is political. Will those who hate the system use scare tactics and fuzzy math to bring it down?

After Alan Greenspan's call for cuts in Social Security benefits, Republican members of Congress declared that the answer is to create private retirement accounts. It's amazing that they are still peddling this snake oil; it's even more amazing that journalists continue to let them get away with it. Yesterday in The Wall Street Journal, a writer judiciously declared that "personal accounts alone won't cure Social Security's ills." I guess that's true; similarly, eating doughnuts alone won't cause you to lose weight. Why is it so hard to say clearly that privatization would worsen, not improve, Social Security's finances?

Should we consider modest reforms that reduce the expenses or widen the revenue base of Social Security? Sure. But beware of those who claim that we must destroy the system in order to save it.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
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Wryword Wrote:Maybe I am wrong, but nowhere have I seen in scripture that Christ came to ordain Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, etc. So far as I can determine, he didn't even come to abolish slavery.

Christ did not found a charitable foundation, one that was to give money out. Rather, he focused his teachings on the individual,and charity was an important thing. But not of itself. It was because by practicing charity one shows and practices God's love. Charity, properly understood, is a moral virtue that individuals practice. It is not a government program.
Where in the New Testament does Jesus rail against government programs?

I thought so.

Quote:Beyond that, one ought to remember that Christ didn't have much patience with liars and politicians.  Since Social Security is a mere pyramid scheme, he would not have thought much of it. 

:rolleyes:

Quote:And if you Gen x types don't hurry up and get jobs and have lots of babies, y'all are going to be in a world of hurt when you start looking for yours.

That's because we keep electing Republicans who want to private it.
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