T-Monay820 Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but I am assuming that you live in the Triangle area, as do I.  If you don't, I apoligize in advance for my presumption.  But I must ask how many NBA Finals games you have been to, how many NBA players you have met?  I had the pleasure of being an aquaintance of Hakeem Olajuwon, my favorite athlete of all time and a brilliant person.  The passion with which he played the game, and the way many players play today was extraordinary.  If have been to a Carolina-Duke game, two actually.  One at Cameron and one at the Dean Dome.  If have also been to an NBA Finals game, twice also.  One in San Antonio in 1999 and one in Houston in 1994.  The intensity of those games far outdid both UNC-Duke games.

Intensity, no possible way. Loudness, yeah you would have a point. But there is no bitter hatred in the NBA like there is in College Basketball. Duke-UNC is almost a 100 year old rivalry. And that's only one rivalry. College basketball far outdoes the NBA in both passion, pagentry, tradition, intensity, and soul. The majority of college players have far more heart than the NBA, because they understand that there isn't always next season. They have four years and not all of them are playing for free.

The hatred of the Lakers-Celtics far outdoes Duke-UNC. Again, how many NBA Finals games have you been to? If I may say myself, I am in a better position to argue this than anybody else here unless somebody else steps up that has been to the best of each sport. If you claim that UNC-Duke is the best it gets in college basketball, which I would not totally disagree with, I have been to an overtime UNC-Duke game and a Game 6 NBA Finals game, where if the Knicks had lost they would have gone home. There is no question Knicks-Rockets was far better than UNC-Duke. Take off the blindfold.

Damn you kids are dumb. It is called an opinion everyone has one. You are neither right nor wrong. There is no "proof" in the matter.

Getting back to the original point of this thread for a minute...

Watching ACC basketball is a nervous breakdown waiting to happen. Like Mike Gminski said last week, "in every ACC game, you take your life into your own hands." And those hands have no fingernails left on them at the end of the night. :laugh:

Quote:Who does everyone else yell at? refs? coaches? players?

With the awful officials in the league, I get a workout just pointing out the fouls, travels, etc that are never called (and of course every call that goes in Duke's favor ). I usually don't yell at any of the ACC coaches. I have respect for pretty much all of them. I do get disgusted when K rides the officials non-stop, and I laugh at Pete Gillen when he uses his 3rd timeout midway through the first half, but that's about it.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:both suck.  College basketball has an ending which is always drawn out and has low scoring with a low talent level, and the NBA is a slow paced, low scoring, one on one game.

Coming from a person who loves to watch baseball. You're one to talk about long and drawn out.

so are you saying that the end of college basketball games aren't long and drawn out?

[quote="Terpy"]Damn you kids are dumb.

1. The NBA does not play defense. Thus a key element in the game of basketball is missing.
Point: college hoops

2. What's wrong with a long, drawn out ending? I'd take that 3 OT game between Wake & UNC over any game involving the Hawks. You are assured of staying awake past the halftime...

3. College hoops has a low talent level? Well, gee, where does the NBA get its players? Primarily from colleges. I somehow doubt they suddenly develop talent at age 20-22 when they make the jump to the NBA. :rolleyes: :laugh:

see it only gets exicting by game 6


where there is always great games and huge upsets in the first round of March Madness.


and the regular season of NBA sucks. nobody cares bout it.

the greatest games of the NBA pale in comparision to the greatest college games.



Cant wait for Saturday!!

Mike vs. Roy Round II

GO TO HELL CAROLINA
GO TO HELL!!!!!!! and take Kentucky with out

Duke/UNC Rivalry goes back to the 1880's


it was the first football game played south of the Mason Dixie Line

one of the earliest basketball games in the South

we have been hating each other since our great grandaddys!


what nba rivalry can match that?

Laettner's Legacy Wrote:Duke/UNC Rivalry goes back to the 1880's


it was the first football game played south of the Mason Dixie Line

one of the earliest basketball games in the South

we have been hating each other since our great grandaddys!


what nba rivalry can match that?

It is intense here on Tobacco Road. My Dad threatened to disown any of us that even considered dating a tarhole. He begrudgingly accepted a State grad as a daughter-in-law and is accepting my sister's Purdue grad boyfriend. We were raised believing that Dean Smith is the Anti-Christ and carowhina blue is an offensive and obnoxious color not to be used in any clothing or home decor choices.

Lowe's Hardware markets and sells Carolina Blue paint nation wide!

I personally find most NBA games boring til the play-offs. I cringe when I think how much money those guys make to entertain. (Epecially when it's compared to how little teachers are paid to educate but that's another soapbox.)

To each his own but don't try to convince diehard ACC fans that our chosen pasttime is dull, boring or not up to the standards you perceive are higher. We'll never agree or give in.

The NBA has more talented players. That's where I think the NBA's advantages stop.

College basketball is more pure than the NBA, and that's what I enjoy about it. Sadly, it's not quite as pure as it used to be -- but it still has players that are playing for the uniform they put on every night, and not so they can line their pockets with money.

Also, there are 50,000,000 NBA games in a season (okay, really just 82 for each team). The product is diluted because every game means so little. (Actually, all of pro sports is like this except the NFL). As LL said, the championship is even diluted by seven-game series. I mean, heck, that's practically a college football season right there. Why even play the other 82 games? (I know the an$wer, so that's pretty much a rhetorical question.)

I used to be a huge fan of the NBA in the early days of the Charlotte Hornets. Players played for the love of the fans and fans showed up for the love of the game. I was a big Celtics fan before that, and I also think the NBA was great back in the days of the Celtics-Lakers epics.

The product has fallen a long way since then. Who gives a flip about the Celtics vs. Lakers nowadays? The Kings and Lakers have a nice little rivalry brewing, but that's about it when it comes to NBA rivalries these days.

The one-on-one game of the NBA is about as boring as it gets. If I wanted to watch street ball, there are some great courts up the street from me where I could watch it for free. There are some instances of teamwork in the NBA (Malone-Stockton was one of them), but they are few and far between. But, basically, the NBA is a one-on-one show that doesn't really have all that much more scoring than college, given the eight more minutes of each game.

In college, you get to see kids grow and become men. You get to see teamwork taught by some of the best professors of the game (in comparison, NBA coaches are basically babysitters). You have rivalries that actually matter to people. Where in the NBA am I going to come into contact with tons of fans of another team? If I live in Charlotte, there are going to be mostly Bobcats fans around me. With college, I'm surrounded by fans of my deepest rivals. I see dookies and wuffies and Deacs and Tigers and Hoos every day of my life.

Most importantly, I feel like my college team actually represents me. Yes, it's great to see a team with "Charlotte" on their jerseys do well, but what kind of connection do I really feel with those players? They are overpaid athletes who just happened to end up in my city -- mostly by chance. They live a life much different than mine. In contrast, I know that UNC players go through experiences much like the ones I went through at UNC. I can relate to them.

I can go on and on, but I won't. Suffice it to say that I like college basketball better.

-JD

bout the talent being better---its called "professional" for a reason

flyingswoosh Wrote:so are you saying that the end of college basketball games aren't long and drawn out?

I never denied it. I'm saying you have no right to complain about things that are long and drawn out and spew praise about baseball being exciting.

Lucy Wrote:2. What's wrong with a long, drawn out ending? I'd take that 3 OT game between Wake & UNC over any game involving the Hawks. You are assured of staying awake past the halftime...

3. College hoops has a low talent level? Well, gee, where does the NBA get its players? Primarily from colleges. I somehow doubt they suddenly develop talent at age 20-22 when they make the jump to the NBA. :rolleyes: :laugh:

2) i didn't mean long and drawn out, as in OT. Every league has OT. I'm talking about calling times out and fouling when you're down by 10 with 10 seconds left. The last 30 seconds of college games usually takes upwards of 8 minutes.
3) I can't belive you just said that. You do recognize that most college players don't make the NBA. If a college team has 2 players that get drafted, they're lucky. So how can you say that the talent level is the same, when most college teams have 4 guys who don't make the NBA? Which is better talent-wise, an NBA team that has 5 guys who got drafted, or a college team that has one player who's gonna get drafted?

flyingswoosh Wrote:2) i didn't mean long and drawn out, as in OT. Every league has OT. I'm talking about calling times out and fouling when you're down by 10 with 10 seconds left. The last 30 seconds of college games usually takes upwards of 8 minutes.
3) I can't belive you just said that. You do recognize that most college players don't make the NBA. If a college team has 2 players that get drafted, they're lucky. So how can you say that the talent level is the same, when most college teams have 4 guys who don't make the NBA? Which is better talent-wise, an NBA team that has 5 guys who got drafted, or a college team that has one player who's gonna get drafted?

2) And an inning of baseball can take an hour.

3) I'd say that half of the ACC teams, Mississippi State, Kentucky, LSU, Stanford, and a few other select college teams could beat the Hawks and other bottom-feeding NBA teams at least 75% of the time.

Lucy Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:2)  i didn't mean long and drawn out, as in OT.  Every league has OT.  I'm talking about calling times out and fouling when you're down by 10 with 10 seconds left.  The last 30 seconds of college games usually takes upwards of 8 minutes.
3)  I can't belive you just said that.  You do recognize that most college players don't make the NBA.  If a college team has 2 players that get drafted, they're lucky.  So how can you say that the talent level is the same, when most college teams have 4 guys who don't make the NBA?  Which is better talent-wise, an NBA team that has 5 guys who got drafted, or a college team that has one player who's gonna get drafted?

2) And an inning of baseball can take an hour.

3) I'd say that half of the ACC teams, Mississippi State, Kentucky, LSU, Stanford, and a few other select college teams could beat the Hawks and other bottom-feeding NBA teams at least 75% of the time.

2) tell me how many times that happens. not many considering the average MLB game lasts around 2 hrs and 40 minutes.

3) there is no way that any college team could beat the Hawks 75% of the time. Maybe once out of every 100, and that's being generous to college.

Lucy Wrote:1. The NBA does not play defense. Thus a key element in the game of basketball is missing.
Point: college hoops

2. What's wrong with a long, drawn out ending? I'd take that 3 OT game between Wake & UNC over any game involving the Hawks. You are assured of staying awake past the halftime...

3. College hoops has a low talent level? Well, gee, where does the NBA get its players? Primarily from colleges. I somehow doubt they suddenly develop talent at age 20-22 when they make the jump to the NBA. :rolleyes: :laugh:

1. your kidding right, the defense in the NBA is really good, hence the low scoring games.

3. the majority of players in college will never make it to the NBA, only the very best are taken

Let me try to express this for the last time. I realize many of you will never like the NBA over college basketball, and I have now changed my intentions. All I wish to do is urge you to not dismiss the NBA as a bunch of overpaid morons who only play one on one. It is much more than that. You may think college ball has more passion and is more exciting, but I disagree wholeheartedly. Sure there are corrupt people in the NBA, but are there none in college basketball? All of you like college basketball because of the heart of the players and how it moves you. Just understand that the NBA does the same, and to more people because it is a global sport. Try to see this from a different point of view.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:Just understand that the NBA does the same, and to more people because it is a global sport.

Global? One team outside of the US (Toronto) and thats it. Doesn't sound very global.

T-Monay820 Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:Just understand that the NBA does the same, and to more people because it is a global sport.

Global? One team outside of the US (Toronto) and thats it. Doesn't sound very global.

The impact of the NBA reaches at least 10 times more people than college basketball.

umm europe has some good leagues, and good players, China, Brazil, AUSTRALIA, its an ever expanding global extravaganza