GDawgs88 Wrote:

joebordenrebel Wrote:

GDawgs88 Wrote:Hey, I'm gonna go smoke some pot. It's not right, but it's my life, right? :rolleyes:

And your point is. . .

Duh! My point is that saying "It's my life, I can do whatever I want" is lame.

i don't see how it's lame. Also, being gay and smoking pot shouldn't be compared. Why shouldn't people have the freedom to choose their sexual preference? Like i said, it's their life, the government shouldn't tell them how to live it.

flyingswoosh Wrote:Why shouldn't people have the freedom to choose their sexual preference?

It's not a choice. Nobody will ever convince me that it is a choice...

flyingswoosh Wrote:no, but their is a difference. Murder is the problem with murder. The problem with drugs is the small crime it spawns.

I know there is a difference but you're missing the point. They're both wrong, and so they both should be illegal.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:Why shouldn't people have the freedom to choose their sexual preference?

It's not a choice. Nobody will ever convince me that it is a choice...

wait a second. i think we're agreeing on something without knowing it. I think one is born gay, what do you think.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:no, but their is a difference.  Murder is the problem with murder.  The problem with drugs is the small crime it spawns.

I know there is a difference but you're missing the point. They're both wrong, and so they both should be illegal.

forget this right now. If you want to argue this point make a new thread.

flyingswoosh Wrote:I think one is born gay, what do you think.

Absolutly not. I'm a Christian, and I beleive that God created us all to be atractted to the opposite sex. I am convinced that homosexuality is enviromental.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:I think one is born gay, what do you think.

Absolutly not. I'm a Christian, and I beleive that God created us all to be atractted to the opposite sex. I am convinced that homosexuality is enviromental.

what do you mean by environmental?

First off i'm all for being with who you want to be with and the government shouldn't have a say in it. But, for discussion purposes how can you say you can marry who want to, then deny certain religions from allowing their followers to marry more than one person?

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:I think one is born gay, what do you think.

Absolutly not. I'm a Christian, and I beleive that God created us all to be atractted to the opposite sex. I am convinced that homosexuality is enviromental.

Are you saying that people arent born gay, but their "environment" causes them to be gay? So if people are turned gay without choosing to be turned gay, is that their fault?

homosexuality is completely unnatural, for people to say they were born that way is ridiculous! can you show me in nature where this happens?

tarheelsben1 Wrote:homosexuality is completely unnatural, for people to say they were born that way is ridiculous! can you show me in nature where this happens?

Enjoy.

<a href='http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html' target='_blank'>http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/co...15featurea.html</a>

MaumeeRocket Wrote:First off i'm all for being with who you want to be with and the government shouldn't have a say in it. But, for discussion purposes how can you say you can marry who want to, then deny certain religions from allowing their followers to marry more than one person?

i never said religions couldn't do that.

tarheelsben1 Wrote:homosexuality is completely unnatural, for people to say they were born that way is ridiculous! can you show me in nature where this happens?

people and animals are born with defects and mutations all the time, what so different between being bored with no arms, mentally retarted, and being born gay?

flyingswoosh Wrote:

MaumeeRocket Wrote:First off i'm all for being with who you want to be with and the government shouldn't have a say in it. But, for discussion purposes how can you say you can marry who want to, then deny certain religions from allowing their followers to marry more than one person?

i never said religions couldn't do that.

I didn't mean you, but there are people that look down on some forms of marriage, but are ready to jump on board homosexual marriage. Either have gov't control or don't.

tysramm1 Wrote:Are you saying that people arent born gay, but their "environment" causes them to be gay? So if people are turned gay without choosing to be turned gay, is that their fault?

No. If you're around people that are gay your whole life, then chances are you're going to say, "I want to be gay, too". That's my point.

That's one reason why gay's adopting kids is wrong. A young kid that see's that their "dad's or "mom's" are gay, will want to grow up to be like their parents. Just like if a kid see's that his dad is a fireman, well, that kid will want to be a fireman, too.

Do you see what I mean?

tysramm1 Wrote:

tarheelsben1 Wrote:homosexuality is completely unnatural, for people to say they were born that way is ridiculous! can you show me in nature where this happens?

people and animals are born with defects and mutations all the time, what so different between being bored with no arms, mentally retarted, and being born gay?

Being gay or mentally retarded is not a mutation, it is a difference. Looking upon them as mutations is a reason that discrimination occurs.

As far as being a Christian against gays, the Bible is up to interpretation. while the Bible taeches against gays, it also preaches tolerance. So I try to be tolerant toward gays, you have to feel their heart and transform it inside of yourself.

Show me where the Bible teaches "tolerance". As far as I'm concerned, you can take tolerance and stick it where the sun don't shine. I love gay people. I want to see them turn away from their destructive lifestyle. But I'm not going to be tolerant. What they're doing is sin, and I want them to turn the life over to the Lord before it's too late.

GDawgs88 Wrote:

tysramm1 Wrote:Are you saying that people arent born gay, but their "environment" causes them to be gay?&nbsp; So if people are turned gay without choosing to be turned gay, is that their fault?

No. If you're around people that are gay your whole life, then chances are you're going to say, "I want to be gay, too". That's my point.

That's one reason why gay's adopting kids is wrong. A young kid that see's that their "dad's or "mom's" are gay, will want to grow up to be like their parents. Just like if a kid see's that his dad is a fireman, well, that kid will want to be a fireman, too.

Do you see what I mean?

yes I can see what you mean, I said earlier that I am against gay people adopting children. I guess my main point is that I think that some people are born gay, and I'm sure that some are influenced by their experiences, and they way they are brought up, to become gay also

GDawgs88 Wrote:Show me where the Bible teaches "tolerance". As far as I'm concerned, you can take tolerance and stick it where the sun don't shine. I love gay people. I want to see them turn away from their destructive lifestyle. But I'm not going to be tolerant. What they're doing is sin, and I want them to turn the life over to the Lord before it's too late.

I know that the Bible preaches against gays, but todays times are different. If God has called you to be against gays, then I respect that. But emotion and prayer brings personal relationships, and in my heart of hearts I know that God is tolerant of gays. There is no proof of that, but that is what my soul preaches inside of me. We are all humans, and all are called to different lives.

GDawgs88 Wrote:I want to see them turn away from their destructive lifestyle.

destructive! what are they, murderers? being gay isn't being destructive.