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First of all Hiya RebelKev ~ I am very glad to see you round here.

Secondly, I find myself, oddly, disagreeing with you. While I hear what you are saying and why you are saying it, I have a different religious spin here.....

It is a sin for me to stand in judgement of others. By me trying to judge gays in any way equates me to them in the world of sin. It is not our job to pass judgement on any man. So, that being said do you still feel justified religiously to say what you are saying?

It is so easy for us to forget that this country was FOUNDED on freedom. Let us protect and fight for any policy that allows people to decide for themselves what is right for them as long as it causes no harm to others. Whether or not you like the word marriage being used, is really of no consequence in this discussion. Marriage as recognized by the state is seperate of the religious term.
08-04-2003 12:13 PM
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*waits for something about since "marriage" isn't mentioned in the Constitution, the government cannot use the word*
08-04-2003 12:16 PM
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Terpy Wrote:
The Peoples Champion Wrote:Any argument against homosexuality is going to be flawed if it's based on religion, just because not everyone in the US is a christian.

Rebelkev, what was so bad about the gay pride parade? Please explain...
Its gross and its unnatural those two reasons have nothing to do with religion.
Who said it did? I have no problem with someone that wants to be gay and I don't feel the government should be telling someone what to do with their personal lives. I have a problem with something as religious and sacred as marriage being used by the politically correct. It's a friggin' union, not a marriage.

....and as far as it being gross, you're damn right and I don't think the general public should have to witness such a blatant disregard for THEIR rights.
08-04-2003 12:20 PM
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Just out of curiosity, what is you stance on divorce, Kev?
08-04-2003 12:24 PM
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lilredridinghood Wrote:First of all Hiya RebelKev ~ I am very glad to see you round here.

Secondly, I find myself, oddly, disagreeing with you. While I hear what you are saying and why you are saying it, I have a different religious spin here.....

It is a sin for me to stand in judgement of others. By me trying to judge gays in any way equates me to them in the world of sin. It is not our job to pass judgement on any man. So, that being said do you still feel justified religiously to say what you are saying?

It is so easy for us to forget that this country was FOUNDED on freedom. Let us protect and fight for any policy that allows people to decide for themselves what is right for them as long as it causes no harm to others. Whether or not you like the word marriage being used, is really of no consequence in this discussion. Marriage as recognized by the state is seperate of the religious term.
You guys COMPLETELY missed my entire damn point. I am NOT against gay rights. I have a very good friend that is gay. Brat can attest to that, if she's still around. I am against gay marriages because I don't think something should be RE-defined because the minority of people that are gay want it changed. They want spousal benefits, fine. They want people to recognize their union? Fine. Hell, I also don't think the damn government should be in the position to marry people. If they want to found a church based on GAY principles and marry each other all day long, they can knock themselves out. Although, they will throw one little detail out of the Bible....and in turn have really thrown the entire damn thing out.
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cant_think_of_a_witty_name Wrote:Just out of curiosity, what is you stance on divorce, Kev?
I'm against it, even though I AM divorced.
08-04-2003 12:26 PM
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Thank you for your honesty.
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cant_think_of_a_witty_name Wrote:Thank you for your honesty.
Actually, I should have stated, "I think it's wrong" instead of "I am against it".

...but then again, you guys didn't know my ex.
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I think we're going way off here... let's seperate church and state and take a look at this on both levels.

Church wise, no way should this happen. I know the gay retort that everyone's a sinner, so gays should be accepted, etc. My point is this from the religious standpoint... when is there a murderer's pride parade? Or a liar's pride parade? Adulterers, etc.? When you march in streets being proud of your sin (b/c Biblically, it is a sin), that's crossing the line. No priest in my opinion should allow that to happen.

*NOTE - Notice I said "Church", not religious. That's taking a religious standpoint there from a Christian view...Muslims and Jews do not go to churches. Though I can say through studies of humanities, that being a homosexual is also against the teachings of the Jewish Torah and the Islamic Koran (Quaran)

Because marriage, in definition and in spirit, is a spiritual union... gays and marriage do not go hand in hand.

Now legally, should gays enter a 'civil union'? I think this personally is best left to each state, as it is now. I've lived in 2 states my whole life, Arkansas and Alabama, and I know both would never recognize any 'civil union' between gays and/or lesbians. Hawaii and Vermont obviously are welcome to it... so the way I see it, let each state decide if they'll recognize it or not. Each state has different laws on the subject of marriage as is.. such as the 2 year 'common law marriage' in Texas, where a man and a woman are married by the eyes of the law if they've lived together for 2 years. Those marriages though are only recognized in the state of Texas...my friend actually was married that way. For the federal government to step into this issue in my mind, would leave the situation in a bigger mess than it already is. Let the states decide for themselves.

Personally, I will not recognize a gay 'civil union'.

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08-04-2003 01:39 PM
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Terpy Wrote:Its gross and its unnatural those two reasons have nothing to do with religion.
Well, I never said that it was, Terpy. (pad pad pad :) )
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Just an addendum to my earlier post above. States can recognize gay 'civil unions', but the US Government already does not. According to CNN.com, and I quote..

"The 1996 Defense of Marriage Act effectively bars the federal government from recognizing same-sex unions, by defining marriage as 'a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife'."

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08-06-2003 10:24 AM
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RebelKev Wrote:
GDawgs88 Wrote:
the_shocker Wrote:No harm will come of legal gay marriage.
Did you know homosexuality is the leading cause of AIDS in this country?
I didn't....but if that's the case, what's Africa's excuse?
The legend/myth that if you have AIDS and you have sex with a virgin, she "takes" AIDS from you and you have it no longer. Most of the time this is rape.
08-13-2003 08:29 AM
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calling_the_hogs Wrote:I think we're going way off here... let's seperate church and state and take a look at this on both levels.

Church wise, no way should this happen. I know the gay retort that everyone's a sinner, so gays should be accepted, etc. My point is this from the religious standpoint... when is there a murderer's pride parade? Or a liar's pride parade? Adulterers, etc.? When you march in streets being proud of your sin (b/c Biblically, it is a sin), that's crossing the line. No priest in my opinion should allow that to happen.

*NOTE - Notice I said "Church", not religious. That's taking a religious standpoint there from a Christian view...Muslims and Jews do not go to churches. Though I can say through studies of humanities, that being a homosexual is also against the teachings of the Jewish Torah and the Islamic Koran (Quaran)

Because marriage, in definition and in spirit, is a spiritual union... gays and marriage do not go hand in hand.

Now legally, should gays enter a 'civil union'? I think this personally is best left to each state, as it is now. I've lived in 2 states my whole life, Arkansas and Alabama, and I know both would never recognize any 'civil union' between gays and/or lesbians. Hawaii and Vermont obviously are welcome to it... so the way I see it, let each state decide if they'll recognize it or not. Each state has different laws on the subject of marriage as is.. such as the 2 year 'common law marriage' in Texas, where a man and a woman are married by the eyes of the law if they've lived together for 2 years. Those marriages though are only recognized in the state of Texas...my friend actually was married that way. For the federal government to step into this issue in my mind, would leave the situation in a bigger mess than it already is. Let the states decide for themselves.

Personally, I will not recognize a gay 'civil union'.

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Another thing is that homosexuals are concious sinners. There's a difference between a repentant sinner, knowing that they have sinned; and a sinner who intends to continue sinning, like every practicing homosexual.
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Most gays are not concious sinners. Most are not Christians and therefore the concept of sin is completely irrelevant to them and some THINK that they are Christians but do not believe that they are commiting a sin. Some gays could be considered conscious sinners but this would probably be very small fraction of the gay population.
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From the perspective of a Christian, they are. Most gays know that Christianity is fairly "antigay", yet they do it anyway. Just because they aren't Christians doesn't mean that Christians shouldn't hold them to the same standards they would hold themselves to. Christians believe that even nonbelievers should adhere to Christian law, in general.
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