Quote:Never forget that the Civil War was fought over
States Rights

The states' rights to do what?

(Aside from conducting slavery)

Quote:I already pay for a Christian private school with my tax dollars. To wit: The Cleveland voucher program. Almost all of the vouchers are redeemed at Catholic schools.

The voucher program merely returns funds to parents who had already paid their piece via taxation. Moreover, a voucher refunded to parents can be used for any source of education. Because statistics may indicate many are freely choosing a Catholic school with their own money doesn't seem to hinder the separation of church and state, becuase the only ones "endorsing" the school are the parents. For instance, if someone used their tax refund to purchase a Bible, it can't be implied that "tax dollars subsidized Christian reading material".

I tend to favor the vouchers and the gay school creation, as both create school choice and break down the 'one size fits all' public school system.

Schadenfreude Wrote:As for a Christian public school -- it's unconstitutional.

....and per the Civil Right's Act of 1964.......so are segregated gay schools. End of story. You lose.

I just moved from New York, and after seeing everything they waste money on, it's amazing how they could waste even more. All i know is that i was taunted and made fun of for being short but i didn't go and start a school for short people. Committing suicide is a way of not standing up to your fears. Also, While straight kids are allowed, i can see them getting shunned too.

This is another way for the government to create jobs, and single out groups while ripping in to the jobs of parents'.

Quote:As for a Christian public school -- it's unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has demonstrated that again and again -- and I still fail to see why people are bringing this up in a discussion of the Harvey Milk High School.

A high school designed to be welcoming to gays and lesbians has no bearing on the principle of the separation of church and state.

Its unconstituitonal because the Supreme Court doesn't allow public schools to be for exclusive students such as blacks, catholics or homosexuals. "Seperate but Equal" is not Constituitonal. You seem to be missing this point.

Quote:But this is what I can't get past: If they aren't your tax dollars, why is this high school a concern of yours?

Because if it happened there, it could happen here and its better to stop it before it spreads. Sound familiar? Its the same technic used to fight cancer.

Quote:By graduating? (instead of, say, committing suicide)?

High schools can be brutal places loaded with peer pressure, bullying and tons of teens that think they can only get ahead in the social pecking order by verbally or physically abusing a classmate.

Adulthood is a safer, better place.

Did you miss my entire point? High school is part of a person's life where they prepare to be more independant in life. The interactions at school aren't very different from life. Life doesn't go soft on you just because you graduated high school. As for adulthood being a safer place, you have more things to worry about than a teen. Period.

[code:1]You need to get out more. The world is changing.

Stonewall was only 34 years ago. It was only 20 years ago that the Supreme Court ruled that states did have a right to enforce sodomy laws. For the Supreme Court to overturn its own sodomy ruling within the space of 20 years is emblematic of how fast the world is changing.

We are facing the civil rights question of our age. And you appear to be on the wrong side of history.[/code:1]

Supreme Courts are alloed to overturn their rulings if they find flaws. Is being gay constitutionally allowed? Yes, I agree with that. But it doesn't mean its accepted by the public as the correct lifestyle nor will it ever be. As far as your statement saying I'm on the wrong side of history, heres my response, "As long as the Bible is the Sacred text of Christianity, homosexuality is a sin."

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Quote:But if these kids have been raised in a "peaceful" environment, then it will be a major shock when they finally do realize the world isn't quite so accepting of this revolting lifestyle.

As I've said, almost anything is probably a more welcoming environment for gays and lesbians than being forced to spend your time with 1,000 pubecent teenagers.

A high school is possibly the worst place in America for a gay or lesbian teen. I can't cite statistics. I can't prove it. But I believe this with all my heart.

Obviously this went straight over your head. I agree, the homos may be sheltered from you so-called "hostilities" if they attended their secluded high school. But the fact remains, they will not be prepared for the real world that is not accepting of this revolting lifestyle.

Quote:One guy?

Does the name "Matthew Shepard" ring a bell?

Woohoo, two guys and neither one of them I've heard of.:rolleyes:

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Quote:Did you not hear about the NYC council shooting?

I was at a conference last weekend where James Davis was supposed to speak.

Yeah, I heard about it.

So then would you support a high school solely for gun control advocates?

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Quote:Next, how can you claim stuff that happens in my hometown?

It happened in mine.

Doesn't mean it did in mine.

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Quote:The whole idea is a huge waste of money and time.

Says you.

Says about 45% of americans.

This is the biggest waste of money in years.

Schadenfreude, you're fighting an uphill battle on the losing side.

Can anyone make a strong argument against homosexuality that doesn't invoke religion?

Nature didn't intend for females to mate with females, or males to mate with males. Reproduction is impossible like this and nature makes sure things want to pass on their genes.

BTW, i should note that i am in support of GLBT rights, but i'm against the school, because of the taxes.

Quote:By Shad:But this is what I can't get past: If they aren't your tax dollars, why is this high school a concern of yours?

This is what "I" can't get past. So....we should allow one area in the nation to cirumvent the US Constitution? Is this what you're saying? That the Law of the Land can be used when it suits a particular group but can be thrown out when it doesn't? kinda makes the Constitution not worth the paper it's written on, doesn't it? It's separation, plain and simple. You can't have it both ways.

Quote:Its unconstituitonal because the Supreme Court doesn't allow public schools to be for exclusive students such as blacks, catholics or homosexuals. "Seperate but Equal" is not Constituitonal. You seem to be missing this point.

I've already addressed this. Let me repeat the words from my last post:

Organizers of the Harvey Milk High School say all students -- including heterosexuals -- are welcome to attend.

Brown v. Board of Education does not apply here.

A analogy to the Harvey Milk High School might be a historically black university.

It is legal.

Quote:Because if it happened there, it could happen here and its better to stop it before it spreads. Sound familiar? Its the same technic used to fight cancer.

Your fears are largely unfounded. A school like the Harvey Milk High School only makes sense in the context of an immense school system like that of New York City. As I have said, the city of New York educates 1.1 million children in 1,291 schools, including close to 50 "alternative schools."

Quote:Did you miss my entire point? High school is part of a person's life where they prepare to be more independant in life. The interactions at school aren't very different from life. Life doesn't go soft on you just because you graduated high school.  As for adulthood being a safer place, you have more things to worry about than a teen. Period.

I've never gotten a wedgie at my current place of employment.

Quote:But it doesn't mean its accepted by the public as the correct lifestyle nor will it ever be. 

You are setting up a straw man. I'm not suggesting the whole country is going to go gay.

I *am* saying the vast majority of the country will soon fail to care whether or not people are gay.

That time is coming. We'll see it in our lifetimes.

Quote:"As long as the Bible is the Sacred text of Christianity, homosexuality is a sin."

That's one interpretation.

Quote:Obviously this went straight over your head. I agree, the homos may be sheltered from you so-called "hostilities" if they attended their secluded high school. But the fact remains, they will not be prepared for the real world that is not accepting of this revolting lifestyle.

I never had a towel snapped at my ****** at my current place of employment.

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Quote:One guy?

Does the name "Matthew Shepard" ring a bell?

Woohoo, two guys and neither one of them I've heard of.:rolleyes:

Matthew Shepard's murder was a national story. It only happened five years ago.

<a href='http://www.matthewshepard.org/' target='_blank'>http://www.matthewshepard.org/</a>

Quote:So then would you support a high school solely for gun control advocates?

That's a mighty slippery slope you've got there.

Quote:Nature didn't intend for females to mate with females, or males to mate with males.

<a href='http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html' target='_blank'>http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/co...15featurea.html</a>

Schadenfreude Wrote:

Quote:Nature didn't intend for females to mate with females, or males to mate with males.

<a href='http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html' target='_blank'>http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/co...15featurea.html</a>

I never said it didn't happen. But its not the way nature intended. If you had read the rest of what i said you would have seen that. (Obviously you aren't fond of reading the entire post).

Now we know what type of websites you go to in your free time.

Would you support a heterosexuals only school? After all of this i can't get how you can say it's ok for taxpayers to have to pay for a seperate school so certain kids won't get bullied. I hardly think that a wedgie constitutes someone killing themselves. I understand that gay students might endure other forms of bullying, but fat kids recieve just as much crap as gays do. Nobody's starting a fat kids only school.

Also, it's much more stressful being an adult than a teenager. While adults don't get bullied or picked on, there's still loads of stress that comes with their responsibilities.

While i won't work the religious angle (i don't believe in the bible), i still believe in gay rights, but they shouldn't have seperate schools as if they're animals.

I'm done here. Theres no use wasting my time showing how this pathetic idea isn't going to work or all the major flaws in the logic behind it. The only supporter of this joke-of-an-idea doesn't understand what I say in my posts so I'm just stopping. Ya'll have fun showing Schadenfreude how big of an idiot he is for supporting this revolting lifestyle.

Quote: never said it didn't happen. But its not the way nature intended.

What do you mean, "not the way nature intended?"

What does this mean?

It seems to imply "unnatural," "not occurring in nature."

I showed you that it does. And I've quoted your response, above.

You acknowledge gay sex occurs in nature but maintain that gay sex is not what nature intended.

I'm at a loss. How do I respond to this?

Are you implying that all those animals at Big Gay Al's Big Gay Animal Sancturary are sinners?

Are you implying that gay and lesbian geese are going to goose hell?

And how is it that you divine, exactly, what it is nature intended? Does nature talk to you? If so, what does it say?

Look, if you were to tell me that einsteinium is not what nature intended, I'd understand.

But gay sex? It happens naturally.

Did nature screw up?

Quote:Would you support a heterosexuals only school?

If:

(a) only 10 percent of people were heterosexual
(b) heterosexuals were banned from the legal benefits of marriage and other basic civil rights.
&copy; a sizable minority of Americans believed straight sex was a sin.
(d) heterosexuals were periodically the victims of hate crimes

Then, yeah, a school designed with heterosexuals in mind might be a good idea, until the rest of the world could clean up its collective act.

You've mischaracterized the Harvey Milk High School, by the way. It is not gay- and/or lesbian-only. Anyone could attend.

It was pretty easy for the Harvey Milk school to allow heterosexuals to attend, considering none would! Why, if you were straight, would you attend a school where 99% of the school was gay. offering this opportunity to straight kids is a way for this school to offer equal opportunity without it actually happening.

Also, i mean should straight kids (no hypothetical situation) be allowed to now open a heterosexuals only school, and say gays are allowed (knowing none will come).

This is an unequal opportunity.

WHY IS THIS SCHOOL BEING BUILT IF STRAIGHT KIDS ARE ALLOWED!

flyingswoosh Wrote:It was pretty easy for the Harvey Milk school to allow heterosexuals to attend, considering none would! Why, if you were straight, would you attend a school where 99% of the school was gay. offering this opportunity to straight kids is a way for this school to offer equal opportunity without it actually happening.

Also, i mean should straight kids (no hypothetical situation) be allowed to now open a heterosexuals only school, and say gays are allowed (knowing none will come).

This is an unequal opportunity.

WHY IS THIS SCHOOL BEING BUILT IF STRAIGHT KIDS ARE ALLOWED!

Very well said.

Quote:Also, i mean should straight kids (no hypothetical situation) be allowed to now open a heterosexuals only school, and say gays are allowed (knowing none will come).

You've just described every high school in America.