With elections just around the corner,and the garbage we will be spoon fed by our politicians from the two party monopoly,i was just curious to know if anyone here is affiliated with a third party and why?This is not a trick question,just curious.I know of one libertarian here,but i have never heard of anyone else mention if they support an alternative to the monopoly we love so much.

Question,does anyone think a third party candidate for White House can in this or any election in the near future upset the apple cart?

Well, I'm a Libertarian, but I will vote for who has the greatest chance at the White House who I disagree with the most. I threw two presidential votes away to Perot in '92 and '96. I will never let that happen again. However, the Libertarians have more people in office, statewide offices, than any other 3rd party.

You make a good point about Perot,but didn't the Reform come about as a result that helped carry Jesse Ventura to victory.All things are possible i guess.

Your right about the Libertarian party.The statistics i have seen shows them to be the third strongest political party,and backs your claims that they have more elected officials than any other third party.

Let me say that i have allways voted for the Republican candidate mostly for no other reason than to vote against the Demecrat.The lesser of two evils in my opinion .

Let me ask you this,do you believe that a third party candidate could win if the requirements were not to keep them out of debates,and the national media would stop ignoring them.

just say no roy Wrote:You make a good point about Perot,but didn't the Reform come about as a result that helped carry Jesse Ventura to victory.All things are possible i guess.

Your right about the Libertarian party.The statistics i have seen shows them to be the third strongest political party,and backs your claims that they have more elected officials than any other third party.

Let me say that i have allways voted for the Republican canadate mostly for no other reason than to vote against the Demecrat.The lesser of two evils in my oppinion.

Let me ask you this,do you believe that a third party canadate could win if the requirements were not to keep them out of debates,and the national media would stop ignoring them.

The reform party, IMO, is nutso right now. Remember when they split up into two factions and about started to brawl? Even Jesse distances himself from them now. It did one thing, proved that a 3rd party can be viable.

As far as debates go, yes. I think they should all be allowed to debate so long as they have been established. However, there are SOOOO many damn 3rd parties out there you'd have to have some kind of entrance requirements. No one will watch a long debate b/t 20 parties. Hell, there's a Marijuana party.

Of course, I don't think the Libertarians have put forth a viable candidate yet for the presidential election. Harry Brown was pretty much unknown. They need to do what they are doing but on a much greater scale.....starting at the bottom and working their way up. First establish the party statewide and nationwide, THEN get your sights on the White House. I can tell you that people are really getting sick of both major parties. The Republicans don't seem to be for limited government anymore. It seems, as Neal Boortz has pointed out, that the Republicans are just a little slower at growing the behemoth of the federal government than the Democrats are.

The Reform Party is nuts right now,no doubt about that,but it did prove like you said,a third party can be viable.

As far as debates go i agree that there does seems to be a party for just about every group with an agenda,but the key word you used was established.there are six political parties that are recognized by the government,and i would like to see all restrictions lifted for those who qualify at the least,and that goes even for the old Greenies. :D

Which horse is the Libetarians puting their money on this time around you think?I hadn't heard of any myself,or are they shooting for a replay?

RebelKev Wrote:I can tell you that people are really getting sick of both major parties. The Republicans don't seem to be for limited government anymore. It seems, as Neal Boortz has pointed out, that the Republicans are just a little slower at growing the behemoth of the federal government than the Democrats are.

Ain't that the truth. I've considered myself a Pub for a long time, but I can hardly stand to associate myself with them anymore. The Republicans indeed used to run on a smaller government platform, but now, they don't even pretend to, it seems. Pubs and Dems argue all day about the size of a tax-cut package, <a href='http://www.3dcafe.com/sounds/animals/cricket.wav' target='_blank'>but do you ever hear a peep about real spending cuts?</a>

I vote the candidate, not the party. In the elections last November I voted for Republicans, Democrats & Libertarians, depending on how they stand on regional & local issues that impact me. That being said, I am a registered Republican because in the grand scheme of things, I tend to agree with their platform more.

If anyone is considering turning to the Green Party for salvation, be careful. Not only are they still touting Ralph Nader for President, but Cynthia McKinney, former Congresswoman (sic?) from Georgia, is their backup. :eek:

Lucy Wrote:I vote the candidate, not the party. In the elections last November I voted for Republicans, Democrats & Libertarians, depending on how they stand on regional & local issues that impact me. That being said, I am a registered Republican because in the grand scheme of things, I tend to agree with their platform more.

If anyone is considering turning to the Green Party for salvation, be careful. Not only are they still touting Ralph Nader for President, but Cynthia McKinney, former Congresswoman (sic?) from Georgia, is their backup. :eek:

Anyone that votes for the Green Party would do themselves well by actually researching their platform. They were formed in Germany and opposed the "Red Party", I.e. Green=Socialism, Red=Communism. That's their entire platform. Both of them wanted government control of all aspects of our daily lives.


...and I PRAY TO GOD Georgians aren't STUPID enough to elect that idiot McKinney again. Her and her father are some of the most corrupt politicans in the history of GA. It SICKENS me to see "Cynthia McKinney Pkwy" of I-285 when I drive to Atlanta.

I'm pretty unhappy with the two major parties, I thought the Reform Party would be a viable alternative a few years ago but we all know what happened with them, needless to say, I'm still looking. RebelKev I don't think you threw your vote away when you voted for Perot. That guy picked up so many votes Pubs and Dems had to give attention to issues he brought up. Your candidate didn't get elected but his ideas got adopted.

Here are a couple of links to some sites I've been checking out, let me know what you think:

<a href='http://www.3rdparty.org/' target='_blank'>3rd Party</a>

<a href='http://www.americanreform.org/' target='_blank'>American Reform Party</a>

<a href='http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm' target='_blank'>Politics1</a>

RUmojo Wrote:I'm pretty unhappy with the two major parties, I thought the Reform Party would be a viable alternative a few years ago but we all know what happened with them, needless to say, I'm still looking. RebelKev I don't think you threw your vote away when you voted for Perot. That guy picked up so many votes Pubs and Dems had to give attention to issues he brought up. Your candidate didn't get elected but his ideas got adopted.

Here are a couple of links to some sites I've been checking out, let me know what you think:

<a href='http://www.3rdparty.org/' target='_blank'>3rd Party</a>

<a href='http://www.americanreform.org/' target='_blank'>American Reform Party</a>

<a href='http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm' target='_blank'>Politics1</a>

The party for freedom-loving Americans..... <a href='http://www.lp.org' target='_blank'>http://www.lp.org</a>

Registered Green, fan of Ralph Nader, but he definitely should not have been the guy to run for the Green Party.

I'll vote for whoever I think is the best candidate --- whether it be a Republican, Democrat, Green, or anything else.

SSJT Wrote:Registered Green, fan of Ralph Nader, but he definitely should not have been the guy to run for the Green Party.

I'll vote for whoever I think is the best candidate --- whether it be a Republican, Democrat, Green, or anything else.

Do you know the history behind the "Green Party"? They are a socialist, pro-income redistributing organization that was formed in Germany. Hmm, yep, lotta good parties coming from Germany these days.

Quote:Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.--- Thomas Sowell

RebelKev Wrote:

SSJT Wrote:Registered Green, fan of Ralph Nader, but he definitely should not have been the guy to run for the Green Party.&nbsp;

I'll vote for whoever I think is the best candidate --- whether it be a Republican, Democrat, Green, or anything else.

Do you know the history behind the "Green Party"? They are a socialist, pro-income redistributing organization that was formed in Germany. Hmm, yep, lotta good parties coming from Germany these days.

Quote:Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.--- Thomas Sowell

You are one of the most stereotypical people...

Islam is THIS...

the Green party is THIS...

:rolleyes:

You are one of the most stereotypical people...

Islam is THIS...

the Green party is THIS...

:rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
Dude, grow the F up. They don't deny that they are Socialists. Do your freaking research before you look like an idiot.

<a href='http://www.greenparty.org' target='_blank'>http://www.greenparty.org</a>

Hell, even the damn Democrats are turning into Socialists:

<a href='http://www.dsausa.org' target='_blank'>http://www.dsausa.org</a>

....but I am glad you realize that "Socialist" is a derogatory term. ...now go tell them that.

Here's there platform:

<a href='http://www.greenparty.org/Platform.html' target='_blank'>http://www.greenparty.org/Platform.html</a>

All I see is Socialism, Socialism, and more Socialism.

That's not what I'm arguing... the way you present everything is so extreme and all you do is make pontifications... Instead of analyzing things objectively you like to spout things to the extreme.

The Green Party probably does have some socialist beliefs... but "They are a socialist, pro-income redistributing organization that was formed in Germany. Hmm, yep, lotta good parties coming from Germany these days." is quite belligerent if you ask me.

I know about the platform for the Greens -- and I do not agree with all of it. There are several things that I highly disagree with on there, but when it comes to political parties, well, they're still the only group that I think is working with a progressive state of mind. I prefer their viewpoints on public education, human rights (except for reparations), and their economics.

No one political party ever has the exact set of beliefs for most people -- but there are some that come close.

Rebel, you are such a vile, base, lying-sack-of-****** dumb ****, you could work for the Bush administration.

These Democratic Socialists, whoever they are -- OBVIOUSLY have nothing to do with the Democratic Party. Read the Web site. Use of the word "democratic" -- as in small "d" -- is obviously intended to define the group as one that respects the concept of rule by the consent of the governed (as opposed to, oh, dictatorships of the proletariat or the 2000 U.S. presidential election._

And where do you see the word "socialist" in the Green Party Web site? T'aint there, at least not that I can see. The Greens -- at least American Greens -- are AT LEAST somewhat to the right of ardent socialists such as this DSA, whatever that organization is.

So go **** yourself. I'm tired of your reactionary, racist John Birch bull****.

Sincerely,

Schadenfreude.

Schadenfreude Wrote:Rebel, you are such a vile, base, lying-sack-of-****** dumb ****, you could work for the Bush administration.

These Democratic Socialists, whoever they are, have nothing to do with the Democratic Party. Read the Web site. Democratic -- as in small "d" -- is obviously intended to define the group as one that respects rule by the will of the people (as opposed to dictatorships of the proletariat, or whatever it is the communists are saying these days).

And where do you see the word "socialist" in the Green Party Web site?

Go **** yourself. I'm tired of your reactionary, racist bull****.

Sincerely,

Schadenfreude.

Bennie Thompson D-Ms, Cynthia McKinney D-unemployed, and others are members of the DSA. Get your damn facts straight you idiot. There are MANY members of the DSA in Congress right now and not ONE of them is a Republican or Libertarian. Bernie Sanders I-Vt, while he says he's independent, is an outspoken Socialist and ALWAYS votes with the Democrats. YOU are just pissed because the truth is coming out and you can't be as clandestine as you want to be. Hell, that's what is pissing Democrats off these days, they are being shown for what they are.


....and all one, with any intelligence, would have to is read their platform to ascertain their political idealogy. Unfortunately, intelligence wave bye bye to you a LONG time ago.


....and I won't give a thought to that baseless accusation calling me a racist you dumb bastard.

Quote:The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is the largest socialist organization in the U.S. It is affiliated with the Socialist International. Fifty-four U.S. Congressmen are members of the DSA. Coincidentally (?), 34 of these "socialists" are among the most militant members of the pro-Castro lobby. To name just a few, on Capitol Hill we find in the pro-Castro gang Representatives Barney Frank (D-MA), Jim McGovern (D-MA), Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-DC-AL), Jesse Jackson (D-IL), Julian C. Dixon (D-CA), James A. McDermott (D-WA), Charles Rangel (D-NY), Maxine Waters (D-CA), etc.

Here's another one:


<a href='http://www.restoringamerica.org/documents/socialists_in_congress.html' target='_blank'>Boy, they sure aren't tryin to hide anything.......You must be an idiot to deny something that they admit Shad</a>

Quote:Democracy is indispensable to socialism. V.I. Lenin

Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx

The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin