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Quote:God knows they wont vote for Republicans if they want their kids to attend a fine college or to buy food using food stamps

How about school vouchers?
05-30-2003 07:49 AM
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davidbowden Wrote:
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bigolhawg Wrote:This argument makes no sense.  The democrats have more black people in these types of positions all across America.

The fact that black Republicans are now getting grass roots positions is fine with me.  If a Republican must win the race, I would prefer it to be a black one.   I'm not here to keep a minority down just because they believe differently than me.
Yeah, but your black people are stupid sheep that follow every lie issued by the rich white guys in power in your party.
MY black people are STUPID SHEEP. You made aboslutely no argument there except for calling 90% of Black America stupid sheep.

Face the facts. Democrats instituted Affirmative Action. Democrats supported the Civil Rights Movement. I simply dont understand why you keep bringing up this argument, when it makes no sense.

If you think that the Democratic Party simply uses the black vote to get itself into power, you are killing one of your main points, which is social programs. You say that black people vote for Democrats to keep their welfare checks coming. God knows they wont vote for Republicans if they want their kids to attend a fine college or to buy food using food stamps.
you know,it amuses me ,when the black race is invoked..the brain seems to degenerate to a level of unintelligent logic . :rolleyes: truth is truth.blacks ,98% of them are sheep.they vote 98% for dem's.facts =truth .and truth is truth."YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND IT SHALL SET YOU FREE" -JESUS CHRIST.
Nice. Calling Black people sheep, using a Jesus quote, all while saying that they are becoming more intelligent and will soon see the light of the Republicans.

Seriously fellas, this is a dead argument. You can either have it one way or the other. Blacks are either sheep, or they are intelligent people who vote Republican. Our friend Jesus knows that there has never been a smart black man who voted Democrat.

Why dont you all join together, think of an argument that might actually work, instead of randomly calling blacks sheep. Maybe we should bring back the 3/5 compromise, that would at least help your chances in elections. Those sheep could only get 3 votes instead of 5.
05-30-2003 11:33 AM
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Kinda like calling conservitives Ditto Heads.........

but, on a serious note, how about school vouchers???
Most AA people are in favor of them, but the Teacher Unions are not. I myself think it is an insult to all AA people to call them sheep. I think the education level has changed in such a way that more people (of all races) are making more informed decisions. For years (and you may deny it if you choose, but I honestly think it still goes on today) many Ministers in AA churches told their congregation how to vote. Who knows how many votes this put in the Dems pockets. I cannot say that the voters would not vote Dem because they have educated themself better, but I think it is a factor. I realize this is a view from a white male, but this is what I believe to be true. If I offended you, or anyone else, I apologize.



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05-30-2003 11:37 AM
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I haven't seen anyone call all blacks sheep. I said blacks that vote Democratic. ...and I stand by it.



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rickheel Wrote:Kinda like calling conservitives Ditto Heads.........

but, on a serious note, how about school vouchers???
Most AA people are in favor of them, but the Teacher Unions are not. I myself think it is an insult to all AA people to call them sheep. I think the education level has changed in such a way that more people (of all races) are making more informed decisions. For years (and you may deny it if you choose, but I honestly think it still goes on today) many Ministers in AA churches told their congregation how to vote. Who knows how many votes this put in the Dems pockets. I cannot say that the voters would not vote Dem because they have educated themself better, but I think it is a factor. I realize this is a view from a white male, but this is what I believe to be true. If I offended you, or anyone else, I apologize.
School Vouchers arent fair. What that does is takes the best students away from an inner city or rural school that is already in the dumps, leaving the rest to sit in an unaccredited classroom that has an uncertified teacher. Even if the kids graduate from the school, the school isnt accredited so they have to get a GED in order to attend college.

My solution: Put more money into these schools and attempt to use the assets already in place to make them accredited and make them progressive. If inner city kids go to good schools and get useful high school degrees, they can join the workforce and make their situations better.

While on this subject, I know this post is going long, but I live in Arkansas and many rural schools are simply in the dumps. Not enough students, not enough mills to keep things going. Our Republican Governor, Mike Huckabee, whom I strongly support, has proposed school consolidation to make these small rural schools pool resources, allowing for more college level classes and more opporitunites for rural kids. Problem is, the rural voters dont want to lose their school, as they see it as losing their town identity.

Many issues that are just slap in the face obvious are turned down by people who are only looking at what will best benefit themselves.
05-30-2003 01:20 PM
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That does NOT work. They pay about 350.00 per student in Columbia County, Ga. and pay about 3 GRAND in South Fulton County(Atlanta inner city). The schools in Col. Cty are some of the best and the ones in the inner city are some of the worst. You Democrats always want to throw money at a problem and it isn't a solution to ANYTHING.

Your "Solution" would keep the poor black people that wanted to achieve something and excel in a dismal situation not associated with how much is spent on education. It's a social problem and sorry ****** parents that drop their damn "Draws" for a lay and don't worry about the consequences because people like ME can always be shafted by the damn Democratic politicians looking for a vote that will gladly give my money they confiscate to these inner-city LOSERS!
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...and why do you think all these little gangbangers even WANT to go to school? They ruin it for the ones that do.
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[quote="bigolhawg"][quote="just say no roy"][quote="bigolhawg"]The Republican Party does not have a single black member of Congress.
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RebelKev Wrote:I haven't seen anyone call all blacks sheep. I said blacks that vote Democratic. ...and I stand by it.
And the argument is hereby closed on that statement.
05-31-2003 12:32 AM
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"The odds are that you have wondered at one time or another why the great majority of Jews and nearly all blacks vote Democrat. There are, after all, no other ethnic or racial groups that so overwhelmingly and consistently vote either Republican or Democrat.

Moreover, given Jewish values and given blacks' views on a host of important social issues, there is really no compelling reason for blacks and Jews to vote Democrat.

Let us begin with the Jews. Judaism, like every great religion, is essentially conservative: Judaism demands obedience to a judging God and to a moral code set forth thousands of years ago. That is why the more orthodox a Jew is religiously, the less likely he is to be a liberal politically; and the more likely he is to vote Republican. Furthermore, the dominant Jewish issue, the security and survival of the Jewish state, is also unlikely to orient a Jew politically leftward. Even sociologically, Jews voting instinctively Democratic makes little sense. Jews, more than many, consider it shameful to rely on others for welfare, raise their children to believe in hard work, and benefit from a merit-based society. Indeed, even those Jews who vote Democratic usually lead rather conservative lives.

As for blacks, their virtually unanimous voting for the Democratic Party makes even less sense. For one thing, most blacks tend to have socially conservative views (considerably more so than their fellow Democrats). Blacks tend to be religious, have traditional views on homosexuality and abortion, and believe in school vouchers, a policy strongly opposed by the party nearly all of them vote for. Moreover, while the Democratic Party has brilliantly portrayed itself as the party that made civil rights possible, a greater percentage of Republicans voted for the landmark civil-rights bills than Democrats.

None of this is meant to suggest that there are no Democratic Party positions that appeal to blacks and Jews. The great majority of blacks apparently do support affirmative action, a position entirely identified with the Democratic Party. And the majority of Jews do support larger government and higher tax rates, fundamental Democratic positions.

But if each party's policy positions were the sole determinants of Jews' and blacks' voting habits, the two groups should evenly divide their votes between the two parties.

Clearly then, it is not Democratic Party positions that explain why so many Jews and blacks vote Democrat. Something deeper must be at work.

That something is fear in the case of Jews and anger in the case of blacks. And both the Jews' fears and the blacks' anger are a result of their respective collective memories.

The Jewish memory in question is of Christian anti-Semitism and the Nazi Holocaust. Even Jews who know little about either Jewish or Christian history know by high-school age that for nearly 2,000 years, Jewish communities suffered from anti-Semitic persecution at the hands of Christians, that Christians massacred Jews during the Crusades, that there was a Spanish Inquisition, and that the Holocaust came from Nazism, a far-right doctrine.

Because of this deeply ingrained memory associating Jewish suffering with Christianity and the far right, most Jews have a primal fear of Christianity (and even of religion generally, including Judaism) and of conservatives. Jews therefore vote for the party that opposes the party associated with anything even remotely connected with public religion or the right.

The black memory in question is of white racism. It seems obvious that many African-Americans carry a residual anger against whites and against America as a result of centuries of slavery and racism. They therefore vote for the party most associated with policies (such as affirmative action) ostensibly designed to fight racism (meaning, always, white racism), and which frequently condemns alleged ongoing white racism. And blacks vote against the party they perceive as denying that America continues to be racist, the party that opposes race-based policies, and the party that celebrates America as if it isn't a racist country.

The problem with these memories is not that they are inaccurate; it is that they are no longer accurate. And they therefore paralyze the two groups who hold onto these memories, Jews and blacks. "
05-31-2003 06:33 AM
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bigolhawg Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:I haven't seen anyone call all blacks sheep. I said blacks that vote Democratic. ...and I stand by it.
And the argument is hereby closed on that statement.
...ok, so as to NOT seem like I'm racist....I think ALL people that vote Democratic are sheep.
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RebelKev Wrote:
bigolhawg Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:I haven't seen anyone call all blacks sheep. I said blacks that vote Democratic. ...and I stand by it.
And the argument is hereby closed on that statement.
...ok, so as to NOT seem like I'm racist....I think ALL people that vote Democratic are sheep.
It's easy for alot of voters to not have to think about the politics and the politicians that try to run our life when there is a party out there which atleast seams on the surface to stand for the little guy.(demecratic party)

There was a time when this was true atleast to some extent but unfortunately that has changed.Demecrats have always tried to make it appear they are on the side of minorities but have only used them to gain power.I think it's a shame more people don't see this but there is some hope atleast that minds are beggining to change but slowly.

What in God's name ever happened to the demecratic party of JFK!
05-31-2003 03:30 PM
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just say no roy Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:
bigolhawg Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:I haven't seen anyone call all blacks sheep. I said blacks that vote Democratic. ...and I stand by it.
And the argument is hereby closed on that statement.
...ok, so as to NOT seem like I'm racist....I think ALL people that vote Democratic are sheep.
It's easy for alot of voters to not have to think about the politics and the politicians that try to run our life when there is a party out there which atleast seams on the surface to stand for the little guy.(demecratic party)

There was a time when this was true atleast to some extent but unfortunately that has changed.Demecrats have always tried to make it appear they are on the side of minorities but have only used them to gain power.I think it's a shame more people don't see this but there is some hope atleast that minds are beggining to change but slowly.

What in God's name ever happened to the demecratic party of JFK!
It's a F-In' sad time we live in when half the people vote for someone on the basis of how much of someone else's money they can get. I vote for someone on the basis of being allowed to keep more of my OWN damn money. I don't want anyone else's money...but then again, I'm not a Democrat. What pisses me off is that if anyone with half a brain would do their research, they can very easily find out that Conservatives are by FAR the number one contributors to charities. If Democrats care about the "Less Fortunate" (That's BS in itself as it makes it seem that the "Fortunate" have won some sort of lottery), then they can do it with their own damn money. I don't care, nor have I EVER cared, about helping out losers that don't want to help themselves.

Rich people get rich and stay rich by doing the same things that MADE them rich. Poor people stay poor by doing the same stupid ****** that made them poor, I.e. driving up in their '77 LTD's missing hubcaps and buying 100 bucks of lottery tickets....a WEEK! I like the lottery...it's a tax on the stupid. I play it....1 damn quick pick a week ($1.00).


Compassionate Conservative....yeah, I may be one if it's not through the government but through charity, otherwise, I'm a visious SOB that doesn't like seeing my money going to leeches on society.
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