This is part II ...
http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly
This with former Clinton aide Dick Morris and UNO history teacher Doug Brinkley... so this isn't what you'd call a "Republican" group I might add.
Oh yeah, and I'll mark the parts especially that will show you just why RF put up his crap.. because of 1) me, and 2) these comments on his baby.
WPS
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O'REILLY: Doctor, we will begin with you. Give me some losers here that may not be as obvious as the President and Saddam Hussein.
DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, PH.D., UNIVERSITY OF NEW ORLEANS: Well, I think Al-Jazeera, the broadcasting network that began in the Middle East in 1996. You know, Saudi Arabia had at one point refused to allow them to have an office in their country, Bahrain where a fifth fleet station banned them from having bureaus there, as have Kuwait and Jordan.
And I think we saw that they gave a very slanted reporting, that today two of their journalists were chased out of southern Iraq into Kuwait with a mob after them. And I think they can't be considered a credible news network anymore after the way they have portrayed and helped Saddam Hussein and also al Qaeda and others over the past year.
O'REILLY: That means only CNN will use them, right? Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean that! But, all right, they're a big loser. Who else?
BRINKLEY: I think Syria. And they're going to be more and more so. President Assad some weeks back in March talked about what a disaster this was going to be, talked about badly the U. S.-led coalition was going to fail, pinpointed that Arab resistance against the U.S. would go all over in the Arab streets. None of that happened.
But worse, Syria's been sending its, you know, night goggles into Iraq. They've been letting their country look like a harbor zone, a safe zone, for refugees fleeing Iraq or fleeing the Saddam Hussein government. And I think we are going to have to go eyeball to eyeball against Syria next.
O'REILLY: You know, it's interesting because Rumsfeld said something nice about Syria after threatening them a few days ago. He kind of tried to do a little rapprochement there. So, I guess Syria is -- they're doing something right for him to say that.
BRINKLEY: Well, we've been trying to do something with Syria right for a long time. Warren Christopher as secretary of state went 27 times to Syria to get the...
O'REILLY: Yes, I know.
BRINKLEY: ... peace deal with them, and there's a treachery out of Damascus, and I think it's going to continue, and I think they are the only Middle Eastern country that's been on the U.N. Security Council, and they've been trying to obstruct this coalition of the willing for quite some time.
O'REILLY: OK, Dick Morris, a couple of losers for us, please?
DICK MORRIS, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I think the big losers are that for 30 years, there's been a divergence between the attitudes of the American people and attitudes of the established news and entertainment media. And this was actually the last straw. This was the divorce.
We read in The New York Times every day and The L.A.Times how this war was in difficulty and in peril, and then we saw on TV that it wasn't. We heard all of our cultural icons in Hollywood standing up and saying this was an unjust war, this was immoral. And then you see these people throwing flowers at our troops because we've liberated them.
I think that this will lead to the same kind of denouement of the established media that the Wall Street scandals led to with the brokerage houses. There will be a really feeling...
O'REILLY: Really?
MORRIS: ... that enough is enough, and there will be a mass exodus away from them to organizations that are proven more truthful. This was...
O'REILLY: We've already seen that, as I just pointed out.
MORRIS: You could see the reality, so you didn't need to swallow the propaganda.
Bill: No, I know. We've already seen that network news ratings are stunning, that Dan Rather would be down 15 percent in the biggest story in years.
MORRIS: The death of network news.
O'REILLY: Yes, it is. I think so, too. All right, who else do you have on the losers?
MORRIS: I think the other big, big loser, obviously, is the United Nations. The Security Council is no longer a relevant, international forum for important issues. If you want a multinational forum where all nations can express their views, meet in the Oval Office because that's where, fortunately, our President and our administration lets that happen.
But the idea that we're going to vest dictatorships like China and oppressive regimes like Russia and disgruntled malcontents like France control the global priorities anymore, that idea is over.
O'REILLY: Or at least in this administration it is.
Doctor, I will go back for one more loser and then we'll come back to Dick for one more, and then we will take a break and go to the winners. Go ahead, Doctor.
BRINKLEY: I think in the Democratic party, Howard Dean is going to come out a loser. He really built his long-shot campaign as Vermont government as being the voice for the anti-war movement, while senators like Edwards and Kerry and Lieberman, who are also running for president, signed on to the resolution in the fall.
And I think Dean is going to find that this issue of Iraq is not the winner that it was the early months of...
O'REILLY: Funny, funny you should mention that, Doctor. We called Governor Dean to have him come on The Factor, and he flat-out turned us down, whereas before the war, he was very anxious to come now. Now he's not. So, I agree with you. That's very astute. I think Dean is done. His credibility is shot.
Dick, do you have one more loser before we get to the positive notes?
MORRIS: Kerry, Pelosi, the whole liberal wing of the Democratic party. They're going to get a double shock. The first was that people saw how important the liberation was today on the TV footage. And then over the next couple of weeks when we find the chemical weapons this guy was amassing, the fact that this war was attacked by the left and so the right was so vindicated, I think, really means that the left is going to have to hang its head for three or four more years.
O'REILLY: Yes, I do think the Democratic party will now be controlled from the center.
All right, very good, Guys. Hang around. In a moment, we will be back with a look at some of the winners in this war. Not the obvious winners. But just as you saw with the losers, some not so obvious choices.
And I have a very surprising choice about a winner I will reveal in just a few moments.
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O'REILLY: Continuing now with the Impact segment, we're talking about winners and losers in this war with Dick Morris in New York and Dr. Doug Brinkley in New Orleans.
All right, Dick, how about the winners here? Do you have a couple for us?
MORRIS: Well, I think the biggest winner are the people of North Korea, of Iran, of Syria, of Libya, of Sudan, who had to get a message today, help is on the way.
I think the second big winner is the level of trust of the American people in their government. The alienation that started with Vietnam and Watergate and then continued to pace with the Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, I think, has now narrowed. The synapses are more narrow, and it is now credible to say, I'm from the government, trust me.
O'REILLY: Yes, it's interesting. That's a good point and certainly a rise of patriotism and trust in the government, except for The 20 percent who hate...
MORRIS: But the trust is what's important.
O'REILLY: I'm not sure about the first -- I'm not sure about the North Korean -- I don't think the Bush administration is going to push it any further than this, militarily, unless they absolutely have to.
MORRIS: I agree.
O'REILLY: Because they have a big win. They don't want to be perceived as war mongers. So, I'm not sure this is going to be like, all right, let's pick out the next target.
MORRIS: No, I don't think that we're going to -- that a military solution would work in North Korea. They probably already have the bomb. But I do believe that what's going to happen is that as a result of this, pressure from China and the United States and Japan will close in on North Korea, produce an opening, and ultimately free those people by the normal process of evolution.
O'REILLY: All right, let's hope so.
All right, Doctor, how about your winners? Do you have a couple for us?
BRINKLEY: Well, of course, Tony Blair and Jose Aznar for standing alongside President Bush. And we hear a lot about Blair, but I just wanted to talk about Aznar just for a second because he had a 90 percent disapproval rating heading into this. And he came in when he was elected president of Spain in 1996, talking about rooting out corruption and talking about stopping Bask terrorism. And although they only had 900 troops and three navy ships, which were there for humanitarian purposes, he showed a great deal of political courage.
On the U.S. front, I think Brigadier General Vincent Brooks, a young 44-year-old African-American from Alaska, who was number one in his class at West Point in 1980 and did that marvelous job of holding those press briefings, is someone to really watch.
But I think Tommy Franks now looks like he's recording double victories, one of Afghanistan and now Iraq. And I think he's going to go down in the annals of military history with this campaign and be somebody that's written about and studied. He stays away from the media cameras a lot, but Franks has done an extraordinary job of making this all come to fruition.
O'REILLY: All right, but how can Aznar in Spain or even Tony Blair in Britain be winners if their population continue to take the ridiculous stand that America is bad and all of this? See, they won, they were on the right side of the war, but I don't know if public opinion is going to shift.
BRINKLEY: I think public opinion is shifting for both of them. Whether it will shift enough, we'll have to see, but history is the final judge. And Both Blair and Aznar are going to go down in the history of their countries for showing the political courage to do this. I think when one looks at Great Britain, for example, you think of Churchill and Roosevelt, Reagan and Thatcher.
I think the Bush/Blair team will be talked about and written about. And I think Blair will be proven correct in his judgment of standing by the United States. And I think Aznar, as a sleeper figure, showed a kind of courage for a new Spain trying to get over some of the post-Franco regime problems there.
O'REILLY: All right. I want to give you my surprise winner and surprise loser, and you guys can react, OK? Morris, we'll go with you first. My surprise winner -- and you're going to love this one, Dick. Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton voted for the action last fall and then hid under her couch...
MORRIS: Yes.
O'REILLY: ... for six months.
MORRIS: Yes.
O'REILLY: All right? She made it clear that she wasn't sympathetic to the peace movement, she wasn't sympathetic to the left. She voted for the action, hid under the couch, refused to answer any questions. They got nothing to use against her on this in 2008 when she runs for president. She's a big winner. Am I right?
MORRIS: Yes. You're not only right, you're brilliant. That is so true. Hillary Clinton always gains the most when she shuts up. When she talks, she gets into trouble. But when she's quiet, she is so expected to do the wrong thing, that when she doesn't, she gets credit for it. Now, I think...
O'REILLY: So, she's a big winner. Now, go ahead. Real quick.
MORRIS: Well, I was going to say that I think the other winner is that there's now an admissions test to the Democratic nomination. All right? You have you to pass it, and I think Lieberman and Edwards are the only ones that pass it.
O'REILLY: Yes, although Kerry can make a comeback. I don't want to dismiss him, but he hurt himself.
All right, now my big loser, and, Doctor, I want you to address this, is Vladimir Putin. All right? Now, Putin had Bush. He had Bush convinced that he was his pal. They were riding the range, they were bucking the broncos, or whatever you do down there, OK? They were doing it. Now, Putin, uh-oh, persona non grata, and he needs our money. He needs our economic clout. Big, big loser, I think, Doctor.
BRINKLEY: I completely agree with you. It was one of the ones I was going to say.
And another loser, for the reason of oil, Russia's been wanting to develop their oil exporting. And now with a new Iraqi government, they're going to be having those great Iraqi oil reserves, and it's going to make Russia's less valuable. A new distrust between -- at least the Bush administration and the Putin administration, like you're pointing out, and I think he goes down now as a kind of forgettable leader when it looked like he was starting to become...
O'REILLY: You bet.
BRINKLEY: ... one of the people that can bring Russia into a new era.
O'REILLY: And, Doctor, the worst thing about it, no more barbecues down in Texas, all right? No more brisket.
All right, Gentlemen, thanks very much. We enjoyed it.
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That was funny too. Hey RF, notice that ol Dean WANTED to be on O'Reilly's show. :laugh:
Man, you're looking worse every minute RF
WPS
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WTG Boss hog.I would like to get a group of us together and chase cnn(clinton news network)to the boarder of canada where they belong. :saber: