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Quote:"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
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Yeah just what I want...Liberals taking my freedom away...Comments?
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UCBearcats1125 Wrote:
Quote:"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
<a href='http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/06/28/politics2039EDT0165.DTL&type=printable' target='_blank'>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...&type=printable</a>

Yeah just what I want...Liberals taking my freedom away...Comments?
I believe she's referring to tax cuts the federal government can't afford.

If you want your freedoms taken away, vote for Bush. John Ashcroft already has a running start...
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Schadenfreude Wrote:
UCBearcats1125 Wrote:
Quote:"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
<a href='http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/06/28/politics2039EDT0165.DTL&type=printable' target='_blank'>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...&type=printable</a>

Yeah just what I want...Liberals taking my freedom away...Comments?
I believe she's referring to tax cuts the federal government can't afford.

If you want your freedoms taken away, vote for Bush. John Ashcroft already has a running start...
Other than the Patriot Act?...Its for your safety...

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
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In all honesty that last sentence does not sound like she is talking about taxes...

Maybe the liberal paper did that so it was slightly disguised...And so liberlas would go along with whatever Hillary says.
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Some one should inform her that campaigning on raising taxes isn't going to get you elected. Just ask Mondal.

We can only pray that Kerry says something just like that. Bush will cruise to victory at that point.
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UCBearcats1125 Wrote:In all honesty that last sentence does not sound like she is talking about taxes...
Read the previous paragraph.
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You believe this 2 faced lesbian *****? Yes I said Lesbian...Any public woman who does not publicaly say anything about this other than it was wrong has her own affairs going with other women
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UCBearcats1125 Wrote:You believe this 2 faced lesbian *****?
What am I supposed to doubt?

Quote:Yes I said Lesbian...Any public woman who does not publicaly say anything about this other than it was wrong has her own affairs going with other women

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"Things" can definently be interpreted a number of ways, but I think she's referring to YOUR money.

Basically what's she's saying is, "You know what, I'm a better judge of how much money you need than you are, so, if elected, I will take from you what is rightfully your's and give it to others who have not earned it."

This type of action is infringing on the freedom of others at it's highest degree, yet no one on the left sees anything wrong with it. They tell conservatives you have no right to oppose gay marriage b/c it's not your life, you have no right to oppose abortion b/c it's not your choice, and you have no right to oppose tax increases, EVEN THOUGH it is YOUR money." What kind of sense does that make? Is the message that you have no right to oppose anything that's not your's, minus the taking of YOUR money?

It's sad. :rolleyes:
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Just wait a few years...The truth will come out
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Ninerfan1 Wrote:"Things" can definently be interpreted a number of ways, but I think she's referring to YOUR money.

Basically what's she's saying is, "You know what, I'm a better judge of how much money you need than you are, so, if elected, I will take from you what is rightfully your's and give it to others who have not earned it."

This type of action is infringing on the freedom of others at it's highest degree, yet no one on the left sees anything wrong with it. They tell conservatives you have no right to oppose gay marriage b/c it's not your life, you have no right to oppose abortion b/c it's not your choice, and you have no right to oppose tax increases, EVEN THOUGH it is YOUR money." What kind of sense does that make? Is the message that you have no right to oppose anything that's not your's, minus the taking of YOUR money?

It's sad. :rolleyes:
Locking up Americans indefinitely without charging them with a crime is a serious infringement of freedom.

Restoring the tax rate from 35 percent to 39.6 percent on the money Americans earn once they've already earned $311,950 is not.
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Socialism at its best. Calling it anything else is just a lie.
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rickheel Wrote:Socialism at its best. Calling it anything else is just a lie.
If 39.6 percent is socialist, then President Eisenhower must have been a Communist. The top rate was 91-92 percent throughout his presidency.

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Schadenfreude Wrote:
rickheel Wrote:Socialism at its best. Calling it anything else is just a lie.
If 39.6 percent is socialist, then President Eisenhower must have been a Communist. The top rate was 91-92 percent throughout his presidency.

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I can't speak for Rickheel, but the the tax rate isn't what makes Hilary a socialist. What makes her a socialist is the fact the she believes that the government should take from others and give it to those with less.
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Schadenfreude Wrote:Locking up Americans indefinitely without charging them with a crime is a serious infringement of freedom.

Restoring the tax rate from 35 percent to 39.6 percent on the money Americans earn once they've already earned $311,950 is not.
Your still walking the streets so the gulags must not be in full force as of yet. :rolleyes:

You still ignore the basic point, it is not your, or my, or the governments position to dictate when someone has made enough money and now more can be taken from them. Lefties are the only people I know that don't want to punish anything except success.

Redistibution of wealth, which is what she is talking about, is Socialism pure and simple. If you want socialism, move to Canada and tell us how it works out for you. I prefer capitalism.
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Lethemeul Wrote:
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rickheel Wrote:Socialism at its best. Calling it anything else is just a lie.
If 39.6 percent is socialist, then President Eisenhower must have been a Communist. The top rate was 91-92 percent throughout his presidency.

<a href='http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php' target='_blank'>http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php</a>
I can't speak for Rickheel, but the the tax rate isn't what makes Hilary a socialist. What makes her a socialist is the fact the she believes that the government should take from others and give it to those with less.
Give that man a cheroot! Redistributed for "the common good". :laugh:
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Schadenfreude, you're wasting your time. They are lemmings that only do what the party tells them to do. Go to whitehouse.org for the truth.
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beck Wrote:They are lemmings that only do what the party tells them to do.
Pot, meet kettle. :snore:
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Beck, exactly who told me what to do? If you care to make statements like that, you need to be ready to back them up. Tell me please?
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Only The Rich Pay Taxes

Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes

October 10, 2003

There is new data for 2001. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% fell to 33.89% from 37.42% in 2000. This is mainly because their income share (not just wages) fell from 20.81% to 17.53%. However, their average tax rate actually rose slightly from 27.45% to 27.50%.


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*Data covers calendar year 2001, not fiscal year 2001 - and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security


This proves that it was not the tax cut that caused revenues from the rich to fall, but the recession and the stock market crash. In other words, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. If you are going to benefit from the rich paying more taxes, due to progressivity, on the upside, you are going to lose more revenue from these people on the downside. This is a good argument for reducing progressivity.

Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.) Americans who want to are continuing to improve their lives - and those who don't want to, aren't. Here are the wage earners in each category and the percentages they pay:

Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%! And who earns what? The top 1% earns 17.53 (2000: 20.81%) of all income. The top 5% earns 31.99 (2000: 35.30%). The top 10% earns 43.11% (2000: 46.01%); the top 25% earns 65.23% (2000: 67.15%), and the top 50% earns 86.19% (2000: 87.01%) of all the income.

The Rich Earned Their Dough, They Didn't Inherit It (Except Ted Kennedy)



The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can't give them much of a tax cut by definition. Yet these are the people to whom the Democrats claim to want to give tax cuts. Remember this the next time you hear the "tax cuts for the rich" business. Understand that the so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.

I had a conversation with a woman who identified herself as Misty on Wednesday. She claimed to be an accountant, yet she seemed unaware of the Alternative Minimum Tax, which now ensures that everyone pays some taxes. AP reports that the AMT, "designed in 1969 to ensure 155 wealthy people paid some tax," will hit "about 2.6 million of us this year and 36 million by 2010." That's because the tax isn't indexed for inflation! If your salary today would've made you mega-rich in '69, that's how you're taxed.

Misty tried the old line that all wealth is inherited. Not true. John Weicher, as a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank, wrote in his February 13, 1997 Washington Post Op-Ed, "Most of the rich have earned their wealth... Looking at the Fortune 400, quite a few even of the very richest people came from a standing start, while others inherited a small business and turned it into a giant corporation." What's happening here is not that "the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer." The numbers prove it
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