The reason there is so much resistance to GreyBeard's post is because most people (Christians included) do not understand the vast workings of the spirit realm and specifcally the demonic realm. Reading Harry Potter is opening a door for demonic spirits to take control of a person's life no matter what their age or what their understanding of the subject matter. Demonic spirits do not play fair, and they are the dirtiest fighters in the world. The amount of suffering and the things they can drive young people to do is astounding. Why would any parent want to expose their child to such danger? Well, because as I said people are ignorant of the work of demons. Jesus plainly told us they were the princes of this world and that the entire world is in its grip. I despise someone like JK Rowling or fortune tellers or death metal satan worshipers who actually encourage demonic spirits to control them. These people are going to meet with the same fate as the demons themselves--eternal burning and torment and suffering and worms crawling through their bodes forever.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:

ShoreBuc Wrote:Whatever you do just don't allow your children to decorate a Christmas Tree. This tradition goes back to Pagan worship of the Sun God's as the evergreen symbolized the strength of the Sun God. Witch craft and Pagan worship are both frowned on by the Bible so tow the line my brother.

I'm pretty sure Easter has a lot of pagan roots as well

I would agree with you there. Starting with the name Easter. Eostre was the name of the Anglo-Saxon lunar Goddess whose feast day celebration was held on the first full moon following the vernal equinox. Two of Eostre

This whole thread is a waste. Men of Faith bhelieve in what they choose to believe, whether they be Christian, Muslim, or other, and no amount of reason or questioning can ever sway their belief. Greybeard, Endzone, Osama bin Laden, various rabbis, various Christians, and various Muslims all beleive what they choose to believe, they all can point to a Book to back them up, even if they disagree with others of their same general faith.

Of course, greybeard started this thread, so he must have wanted to discuss it. I don't see why, unless he was wanting to convert the rest of us to HP haters.

I see Greybeard's banning of HP as a minor thing, affecting only him and his family. Much different in substance from OBL's desire to kill 4 million Americans, half of them children. Both are driven by faith and reasoning with either will bring no change.

No sense hammering GB for his faith. OTOH, no sense trying to tell us that Harry Potter books are evil. Either we believe that or we don't. I don't.

But I do believe that within broad limits, parents have the right and duty to guide their children as they see fit. GB obviously takes this duty seriously, and so I salute his attitude toward his family, even if I disagree on some of the minor details of how his does his duty.

Topic of the thread is interesting but I have no doubt that GrayBeard is an awesome parent and the world could definitely use more parents like him. I am not going to question in any way shape or form how he chooses to raise his kids.

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Dealing with Harry Potter only


Some Christians watch and see Harry Potter and think nothing more of it than entertaining movies or books. Others see evil at work.

Just like some people watch action movies and think of them as such...and don't go killling people to look cool

OR say all those Vampire related movies .... some view them as entertainment yet I doubt folks will try to BECOME vampires.

It comes down to teaching your kids reality vs. fictional reality.... the difference between the two

PirateTreasureNC Wrote:Dealing with Harry Potter only


Some Christians watch and see Harry Potter and think nothing more of it than entertaining movies or books. Others see evil at work.

Just like some people watch action movies and think of them as such...and don't go killling people to look cool

OR say all those Vampire related movies .... some view them as entertainment yet I doubt folks will try to BECOME vampires.

It comes down to teaching your kids reality vs. fictional reality.... the difference between the two

There is nothing fictional about demonic spirits. They are more real than the physical world. The question is, do you want to expose your child to coming under their influence through the open door of reading Harry Potter books? I don't have kids, but if I did there wouldn't be one of those piece of garabage books in my house. I would go ballistic of the public school tried to shove it down my kid's throat.

Dr. Torch I got the book today--thanks! It looks like a very good read. I left Ft. Worth, Tx on 8-16 and the book arrived there on 8-17. It is just now catching up with me.

Endzone2 Wrote:

PirateTreasureNC Wrote:Dealing with Harry Potter only


Some Christians watch and see Harry Potter and think nothing more of it than entertaining movies or books. Others see evil at work.

Just like some people watch action movies and think of them as such...and don't go killling people to look cool

OR say all those Vampire related movies .... some view them as entertainment yet I doubt folks will try to BECOME vampires.

It comes down to teaching your kids reality vs. fictional reality.... the difference between the two

There is nothing fictional about demonic spirits. They are more real than the physical world. The question is, do you want to expose your child to coming under their influence through the open door of reading Harry Potter books? I don't have kids, but if I did there wouldn't be one of those piece of garabage books in my house. I would go ballistic of the public school tried to shove it down my kid's throat.

man....


I have watched all the Harry Potter movies and I no more practice witchcraft than my Baptist preacher.

I have watched all the Blade movies, Van Hlesing, and a few other dracula movies yet I don't go around sucking blood from the necks of helpless victims.


I am in no way saying you have to like Harry Potter movies ... But saying they turn kids into withces and wizards is


And if you want to draw your thought out to the extreme then how about Disney's Fantasia? I mean Mickey Mouse was wearing a wizard hat and using spells to control a broom? So are you not wathcing any Disney movies b/c of it? THINK ABOUT IT

I will have to admit that as a kid I played Dungeons and Dragons and I listened to Heavy Metal. I had almost every album that Tipper Gore wanted banned.

PirateTreasureNC Wrote:

Endzone2 Wrote:

PirateTreasureNC Wrote:Dealing with Harry Potter only


Some Christians watch and see Harry Potter and think nothing more of it than entertaining movies or books. Others see evil at work.

Just like some people watch action movies and think of them as such...and don't go killling people to look cool

OR say all those Vampire related movies .... some view them as entertainment yet I doubt folks will try to BECOME vampires.

It comes down to teaching your kids reality vs. fictional reality.... the difference between the two

There is nothing fictional about demonic spirits. They are more real than the physical world. The question is, do you want to expose your child to coming under their influence through the open door of reading Harry Potter books? I don't have kids, but if I did there wouldn't be one of those piece of garabage books in my house. I would go ballistic of the public school tried to shove it down my kid's throat.

man....


I have watched all the Harry Potter movies and I no more practice witchcraft than my Baptist preacher.

I have watched all the Blade movies, Van Hlesing, and a few other dracula movies yet I don't go around sucking blood from the necks of helpless victims.


I am in no way saying you have to like Harry Potter movies ... But saying they turn kids into withces and wizards is


And if you want to draw your thought out to the extreme then how about Disney's Fantasia? I mean Mickey Mouse was wearing a wizard hat and using spells to control a broom? So are you not wathcing any Disney movies b/c of it? THINK ABOUT IT

No, I wouldn't let kids (under my supervision) watch a lot of Disney garbage either--especially one where people solicit the power of the underworld to cast spells. Again, the reason people think this is so "cute" is because they don't realize how real demonic spirits are and that they gain access to peoples lives through these things. Of course they can gain access through open rebellion and habitual sins and many other things. But I would not want to "open the door" to this because of who is ultimately behind it. If you think your kids can play with it and get away with it, then fine. But I don't think that's the case and why encourage something that seems like innocent fun, but really isn't?

this is the most ridiculous thread ever. Harry Potter books are my favorite books and they helped get me back into reading. Also, i'm a die hard Christian and i don't think witchcraft is real. On the flip side, my mom is also a strict christian, and she actually thinks halloween is bad. had she been a christian when i was younger, she wouldnt've let me go trick or treating.

'Harry potter is bad for kids.' what BS!! only ignorant parents can possibly think that.

Endzone2 Wrote:The reason there is so much resistance to GreyBeard's post is because most people (Christians included) do not understand the vast workings of the spirit realm and specifcally the demonic realm. Reading Harry Potter is opening a door for demonic spirits to take control of a person's life no matter what their age or what their understanding of the subject matter. Demonic spirits do not play fair, and they are the dirtiest fighters in the world. The amount of suffering and the things they can drive young people to do is astounding. Why would any parent want to expose their child to such danger? Well, because as I said people are ignorant of the work of demons. Jesus plainly told us they were the princes of this world and that the entire world is in its grip. I despise someone like JK Rowling or fortune tellers or death metal satan worshipers who actually encourage demonic spirits to control them. These people are going to meet with the same fate as the demons themselves--eternal burning and torment and suffering and worms crawling through their bodes forever.

what are you smoking?

flyingswoosh Wrote:

Endzone2 Wrote:The reason there is so much resistance to GreyBeard's post is because most people (Christians included) do not understand the vast workings of the spirit realm and specifcally the demonic realm. Reading Harry Potter is opening a door for demonic spirits to take control of a person's life no matter what their age or what their understanding of the subject matter. Demonic spirits do not play fair, and they are the dirtiest fighters in the world. The amount of suffering and the things they can drive young people to do is astounding. Why would any parent want to expose their child to such danger? Well, because as I said people are ignorant of the work of demons. Jesus plainly told us they were the princes of this world and that the entire world is in its grip. I despise someone like JK Rowling or fortune tellers or death metal satan worshipers who actually encourage demonic spirits to control them. These people are going to meet with the same fate as the demons themselves--eternal burning and torment and suffering and worms crawling through their bodes forever.

what are you smoking?

You bring up a good point in smoking, which is yet another throw back worship of polytheistic gods. So if you are christian and smoke you are a sinner.

Quote:what are you smoking?

Quote:You bring up a good point in smoking, which is yet another throw back worship of polytheistic gods. So if you are christian and smoke you are a sinner.

umm, sweet?

flyingswoosh Wrote:

Quote:what are you smoking?

Quote:You bring up a good point in smoking, which is yet another throw back worship of polytheistic gods. So if you are christian and smoke you are a sinner.

umm, sweet?

This guy is definitely doing some big time sinning ;-)

flyingswoosh Wrote:this is the most ridiculous thread ever. Harry Potter books are my favorite books and they helped get me back into reading. Also, i'm a die hard Christian and i don't think witchcraft is real. On the flip side, my mom is also a strict christian, and she actually thinks halloween is bad. had she been a christian when i was younger, she wouldnt've let me go trick or treating.

'Harry potter is bad for kids.' what BS!! only ignorant parents can possibly think that.

Flyingswoosh, you are deceived if you don't think witchcraft is real. Also, how can you be a die hard Christian and never read your Bible? You seem to be ignorant of the many passages that describe the sin of witchcraft. I Sam 15:23 is just one for starters. What I think you are is a kid who was brought up in a church environment (and yes your parents may have overdone it or been very religious) and you are now in rebellion against it. You're as far away from the Lord as you have ever been, and you don't mind indulging your flesh as much as possible. You're going to reap what you sow. And since you don't read your Bible much (and you're lying to use about being a die hard Christian) that verse is in Galatians 6:7.

BTW, Halloween ain't nothing like it was back in the late 60's. Heck, I can remember filling up on grocery bag with candy and stashing it and going back out and filling up half another. Back then you got giant size Baby Ruth bars, Hersey's bars and Milky Way bars, etc. It ain't nothing like that today, so don't worry about missing out on Halloween--O.K.? You didn't miss much.

Endzone2 Wrote:witchcraft is real. .

Did God create it?

And since you are quoting the Bible on witchcraft, how does your version of Ex. 22:18 read?

Quote:You're as far away from the Lord as you have ever been, and you don't mind indulging your flesh as much as possible.

I'm going to have to remember that one.

Thanks, GB. This thread is the bomb!

Nothing wrong with a little witchcraft now and then...