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RebelKev Wrote:Since when did terrorism become a word only applicable to Arabs? Hell yeah it was terrorism.

Which underscores the problems with the phrase "war on terrorism"...

it makes it devoid on meaning.

We should be calling it the "War on Islamist Extremism".

We know what we're confronted with, lets call a spade a spade.
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GrayBeard Wrote:
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GrayBeard Wrote:I don't think that they were insenuating that he was working as part of a terror cell or even had any official terror training, but more of a lone whacko mad at certain religions. Like I said it's intriguing.

It would be interesting to see the transcripts of the "other" tapes he made.

Well he certainly was a wacko. Just the other day it seemed that people didn't like the fact that some of the tapes were made public, but now it would be very useful in order to determine what his motivations were.

I don't think there is any value in showing the tapes to the general public. There isn't anyone on this board who is going to be enlightened by seeing them (including Graybeard).

I totally agree with you...I don't want to see the tapes, but I would like to know the truth behind the motives. Sadly, I don't trust the government or the media to tell me the truth about what and why.

Kind of contradictory statements there.

I'm glad I saw the tapes. It helped me understand the nature of the crime and why it happened.

I knew the guy was crazy, obviously, but the tapes helped me see the extent of it, and particularly that it appeared to be a form of paranoid schizophrenia.

Very interesting to me that he was diagnosed as autistic as a small child, and that his parents never really treated it. Autism is difficult to understand, but from what I can tell, autistic people very much live in an isolated mental universe, they struggle to connect to the world in the same way we do. This can manifest itself in some dangerous ways or some brilliant ways.

I think we need to spend more money researching autism (both mild and extreme cases), and understanding it. Especially with incidence rates growing.
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OUGwave Wrote:We should be calling it the "War on Islamist Extremism".

I agree. Probably not PC, but I could give a rat's ass.
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RebelKev Wrote:
OUGwave Wrote:We should be calling it the "War on Islamist Extremism".

I agree. Probably not PC, but I could give a rat's ass.

they started using the term "islamofascism" and "islamic fascism" briefly last year, press went nuts over it unfortunately. "how would you like it if Mussolini was called a christofascist"
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GGniner Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:
OUGwave Wrote:We should be calling it the "War on Islamist Extremism".

I agree. Probably not PC, but I could give a rat's ass.

they started using the term "islamofascism" and "islamic fascism" briefly last year, press went nuts over it unfortunately. "how would you like it if Mussolini was called a christofascist"

I would have promptly stated, "Well *******, Mussolini wasn't fighting for Christ. Next question, while this ******* is being dragged out of the press room"

......and my press secretary days would have ended that day.
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GGniner Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:
OUGwave Wrote:We should be calling it the "War on Islamist Extremism".

I agree. Probably not PC, but I could give a rat's ass.

they started using the term "islamofascism" and "islamic fascism" briefly last year, press went nuts over it unfortunately. "how would you like it if Mussolini was called a christofascist"

Honestly, rhetorically there is a much bigger difference between "islamofascism" and "islamic fascism" than meets the eye.

Even the latter is bad, but the former really seems like you are equating "Islam" with "fascism" by turning them into one word. The latter is better, but it still sounds like you are equating a specific religion with a particularly heinous ideology of the past.

"Islamic extremism" doesn't raise the same hackles for a reason. Extremism is a marker of degree more than anything else. It could modify any word. So "Islamic extremism" makes it more clear you are at war with a particular interpretation of Islam without having to explain that.

Words matter. I'm just saying.

I hate the banality of "war on terrorism". Its completely trite garbage, honestly. I understand the reasons for coining it, but you run into this problem where people start equating one lone sociopath that was a paranoid schizophrenic and obviously ill, with a broad ideology that has a political goal.
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OUGwave Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:
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GrayBeard Wrote:I don't think that they were insenuating that he was working as part of a terror cell or even had any official terror training, but more of a lone whacko mad at certain religions. Like I said it's intriguing.

It would be interesting to see the transcripts of the "other" tapes he made.

Well he certainly was a wacko. Just the other day it seemed that people didn't like the fact that some of the tapes were made public, but now it would be very useful in order to determine what his motivations were.

I don't think there is any value in showing the tapes to the general public. There isn't anyone on this board who is going to be enlightened by seeing them (including Graybeard).

I totally agree with you...I don't want to see the tapes, but I would like to know the truth behind the motives. Sadly, I don't trust the government or the media to tell me the truth about what and why.

Kind of contradictory statements there.

Yes, they are, but you are wrong about that. ;-)

I knew it was that way when I typed it, but that is how I feel. I personally don't want to see the tapes, but I feel that someone that can truthfully report what is on them should see them.
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GrayBeard Wrote:I knew it was that way when I typed it, but that is how I feel. I personally don't want to see the tapes, but I feel that someone that can truthfully report what is on them should see them.

Who would that be?
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Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:
GrayBeard Wrote:I knew it was that way when I typed it, but that is how I feel. I personally don't want to see the tapes, but I feel that someone that can truthfully report what is on them should see them.

Who would that be?

That is the quandry, and I don't have an answer for that.
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Islam is more than a religion, its a political project and has its on rule of law it wishes to impose on the world. and for non-believers they offer what amounts to slavery as a Dhimmi....


there are moderate muslims, there isn't a moderate islam. For it to be moderate you have to ignore Sharia and many of its teachings. They aren't saying: muslim-fascist, its islamic fascism which is exactly what it is.


then you get morons like Rosie O'donnel that equate them with "radical" christians. Except for she's ignorant because "Christian Theocracy" is the antithesis of "islamic theocracy", its best described as radical libertarianism, specifically against a State Church and religion....

so that gets you into politically incorrect land trying to develop accurate phrases instead of calling it like it is. reflection of public ignorance and emotions.
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GrayBeard Wrote:
georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:01-wingedeagle

Shocking that you would be the first to dismiss it. Let me ask you a question...What does "Ismael Ax" stand for?

It's terrorism in the same sense that the unibomber or Oklahoma City bombing was. All three acts carried out by delusional people... each with their own unexplainable quirks involved with them committing the crime.

Oh yea -- and all three weren't Muslim.
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GrayBeard Wrote:
georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:01-wingedeagle

Shocking that you would be the first to dismiss it. Let me ask you a question...What does "Ismael Ax" stand for?

Its not Islamic, except maybe in a very literary sense. It also can be construed as a reference to Moby Dick or perhaps James Fenimore Cooper's novel "The Prairie."

There's no evidence from his writings or videos that Cho had any religious beliefs at all.

He does, however, make references to Christ.

Frankly, I find the fact that people have continued to act as if this Korean-American kid was an Islamic terrorist to be frightening as all hell. Its certainly Islamophobic to do so despite all evidence to the contrary.
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How can anyone ever explain the "reasoning" behind the actions of a lone nut whack job?

The only good thing about John Hinckley and Mark Chapman not getting the needle is the Docs had an opportunity to see what makes these things tick.
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WMD Owl Wrote:How can anyone ever explain the "reasoning" behind the actions of a lone nut whack job?

The only good thing about John Hinckley and Mark Chapman not getting the needle is the Docs had an opportunity to see what makes these things tick.

That's point really. By understanding what set this guy off in the past, we can possibly avert future catastrophes. 'Reasoning' is probably too strong a word for this guy's thinking process.
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RE: Was the Va Tech attack an act of terrorism?
Just a follow up: Link

Quote:Cho, 23, of Centreville, whose family was religious and had sought help for him from a Woodbridge church, repeatedly made religious references. He said that he had been "crucified" and that, as with Jesus, his actions would set people free. He called himself a "martyr" who would "sacrifice" his life. He wrote that he would go down in history as the "Jesus Christ of the Weak and Defenseless." He thought his actions would inspire others to fight back and get even.

Seems that he justified his actions with some kind of distorted view of Christianity. Thankfully he was so far off his rocker that what he expected (inspiring others to follow in his footsteps) did not come to pass.
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RE: Was the Va Tech attack an act of terrorism?
How about instead of trying to justify this piece of ****'s reasoning (and giving him the attention he wanted so bad), we just accept the fact that he's a whiny little ***** with an attitude problem and erase his memory from history. Let the shooter die as he lived: anonymously.
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RebelKev Wrote:Since when did terrorism become a word only applicable to Arabs? Hell yeah it was terrorism.

Which underscores the problems with the phrase "war on terrorism"...

it makes it devoid on meaning.

We should be calling it the "War on Islamist Extremism".

We know what we're confronted with, lets call a spade a spade.

Exactly. Otherwise, a war on terrorism would include invading people in Montana, the IRA, some folks down in Venezuela, and other people in the Middle East who won't be named.
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RE: Was the Va Tech attack an act of terrorism?
T-Monay820 Wrote:How about instead of trying to justify this piece of ****'s reasoning (and giving him the attention he wanted so bad), we just accept the fact that he's a whiny little ***** with an attitude problem and erase his memory from history. Let the shooter die as he lived: anonymously.

So instead of trying to figure out why and how he got that way in order to prevent it from happening again, we should put our heads in the sand?
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