In response to ez2's dope smoking....That junk was laced!

Endzone2 Wrote:No one dies from it, and it isn't harmless? I didn't die, but it was very harmful and even dangerous for me. I believe it is a very self-destructive behavior. I sure can't justify people who get drunk and kill somebody with a car either though.

You seem to be against a lot of things that you, yourself, have done. "All for me, none for thee", eh?

GGniner Wrote:a real poll: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...ults_N.htm

Quote:Ron Paul 1 -- * 2 2 1 N/A N/A N/A

http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/newspoll...l_pres.doc

Quote:Ron Paul 2% 0% -2%

He won't do well in any national poll b/c America is still appauling ignorant of who he is -- see again the above mentioned media problem. Sadly to get anywhere in this country your have to have a household name to begin with -- which means you have to play the political party game -- which means you're a ****** candidate to begin with. Worst still -- you chose a poll only asking Republicans and Republican leaners. The only people left in the Republican Party at this time are the extreme neocons. OF COURSE they won't like Ron!!! *NOBODY* is sticking with Bush these days. Ron's strength is with TRUE conservatives (Reagen-ites) ... Libertarians.... Independents ... Centrists .... and Right leaning Dems. That is, might I add, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of America.

If nothing else, our political system combined with our nation's stunning ignorance is HIGHLY effective at eliminating good Presidential candidates.

GrayBeard Wrote:

Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:On that note, I don't beleive that we should legalize marijauna.

Not even for medical usage? What is your reasoning?

What? I have to have a reason for my opinion? Let's just say it is a personal opinion that I have because of personal reasons.

Well, I would hope that you have some reason for the things you think. If it's personal, ok then, I don't need to know. I was just curious after you stated your opinion.

RebelKev Wrote:

Endzone2 Wrote:No one dies from it, and it isn't harmless? I didn't die, but it was very harmful and even dangerous for me. I believe it is a very self-destructive behavior. I sure can't justify people who get drunk and kill somebody with a car either though.

You seem to be against a lot of things that you, yourself, have done. "All for me, none for thee", eh?

Well if you think you're missing out on having those horrific experiences that I had smoking pot, then by all means get a bag. I hear it's a lot more expensive now days, but there is nothing I can do about that.

If you think you've missed out by not having a sexual addiction, then I guess you can do that too. Most guys that have a sexual addiction are married. Sure you may be able to poke some really hot girls (although it is much harder now days because the police have cracked down on a national scale) but you also miss out on any kind of meaningful relationship. You don't ever even know their names most of the time or they give you a fake name. You wonder over the years what ever happened to "that girl" and what she is doing now. If you're like me, you have headaches, demonic attacks in the mind and a general vegetable like state for several days afterwards. And for the one really hot and nice girl, there are 5 or 6 others that are al tattooed up and have had 4 kids by 3 different guys and are stretched to hell and back. And then of course there are the types who may "do their duty" but who are as uncooperative as can be and it makes for a very unpleasant experience. You can consume a huge amount of time just pursuing such fleeting pleasures--not to mention the damage done to your finances.

I've never been drunk in my life, and I can't stand the taste of alcohol so that's one thing I haven't done. But if you think you're missing out Kev, go right ahead. I don't mean to deprive you of what I have "enjoyed".

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:The only people left in the Republican Party at this time are the extreme neocons.

GTS, what do you classify a "neocon"?

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:He won't do well in any national poll b/c America is still appauling ignorant of who he is

Only thing to know is that he doesn't see Iran as a threat and thinks we caused our own problems.

Sorry, no kooks for me.

Ron Paul: "Iran has no military" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3cg3BCuafo


Ron Paul says we'd be safer without the CIA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6KIusCBoU


Ron Paul votes to Protect Child Predators and not the children/victims.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_...can_id=296

Ron Pauls votes against notifying the Parents if their MINOR child crosses state to get an abortion:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_...can_id=296



This guy is senile, ignorant of history, including that of the Founders themselves and what they beleived in regards to 'interventionism' and naive at the highest of levels.

RebelKev Wrote:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:He won't do well in any national poll b/c America is still appauling ignorant of who he is

Only thing to know is that he doesn't see Iran as a threat and thinks we caused our own problems.

Sorry, no kooks for me.

this is the issue of our day..

i like some of his small govt. idealism in his rhetoric, though not practical. The electorate would eat him alive if he tried to get rid of welfare, medicare and other big govt. programs, although the beauracrats would get to him first, see W. Bush trying to reform CIA, Soc. Security, etc.

Ron Paul: ”They're determined to have martial law."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may...record.htm

Prison Planet is the Alex Jones nutcase site.

Sounds to me like Paul is an isolationist, and that will not work in a global economy.

GGniner Wrote:Ron Paul: "Iran has no military" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3cg3BCuafo

Iran has no Air Force. They have virtually no Navy. They have no delivery system. Israel could whipe them off the planet very easily. They are no threat to us.

Quote:Ron Paul says we'd be safer without the CIA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6KIusCBoU

Oh what spin you have. He CLEARLY said he didn't want the CIA meddling with nation building, taking out foreign dictators and propping up others. He said, and I quote "I think there's room for intelligence gathering". Sorry, but I understand the English language, and if you think he wants to eliminate the CIA, then clearly you don't understand English.

Quote:Ron Paul votes to Protect Child Predators and not the children/victims.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_...can_id=296

I'd be interested to see more about this "provide more technology" clause. It sounds like a potential abuse of privacy.... and Ron has a clear history of striking down any bill that violations our civil liberties, regardless of cause... and that's a good thing. Case in point: The "Patriot" Act.

Quote:Ron Pauls votes against notifying the Parents if their MINOR child crosses state to get an abortion:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_...can_id=296

- Stipulates that physicians may be fined or imprisoned for up to one year or both if they perform an abortion that violates parental consent notification requirement laws of another state (Sec 2435 (a)(1))
That's the problem, right there. Ron is a former Doctor himself (an anti-abortion OBGYN who has delivered over 4,000 babies) ... and it's impossible to prove the above adequately in every case if you're a doctor. It makes the doctor potentially liable to law suits. Furthermore it provides no provisions (legalizations) for rape or incest.[/quote]

Quote:This guy is senile, ignorant of history, including that of the Founders themselves and what they beleived in regards to 'interventionism' and naive at the highest of levels.

To quote Ron Paul, and implicitly the 9/11 Commission Report and several high ranking CIA staff ... if you think we can go around the world, doing whatever we want, imposing our will, and meddling in other nation's internal affairs ... and not incite hatred and cause blowback ... then we have a problem.

GrayBeard Wrote:Sounds to me like Paul is an isolationist, and that will not work in a global economy.

Paul is a non-interventionist. There is a difference.

AND HOLY F*CKING SH*T at saying Ron wouldn't be good for our economy. He's THE ONLY ONE on that stage talking about our massive economic problems. The Federal Reserve is basically counterfeiting.... they're bumping up money supply to try and cover our ever growing deficit. The pound trades at nearly 2 to 1 to the dollar now. We are on the verge of a financial crisis. If the dollar bubble bursts, we'll see a depression that will make the 1930's look like a cakewalk. We're borrowing 3 billion dollars a day from Japan and China to cover our consumption. We're spending 1 trillion dollars a year on empire building overseas. We're about to eat 2.6 trillion dollars on the new immigration bill if it passes. Our entitlement system has accumulated over 60 trillion dollars of obligations. Our budgets have ALL TIME RECORD amounts of pork in them. A 60 million dollar train line to a town of less than 1,000 people who already have a highway. A 250 million dollar bridge to an island of less than 50 people. We're letting China and others cheat on trade with our tariff system. It's impossible to compete ... we're driving industry overseas. There's a reason we only have ONE COMPANY LEFT IN THE ENTIRE NATION that can build armor plating for our military. And worse yet, the inflation is absolutely eating away at the middle class and poor of this country. Wall Street is booming, but the poor and middle class are really hurting. Ron Paul is the ONLY PERSON ON STAGE (except Duncan Hunter on trade) talking about this!!!!!!!!!! Wake the hell up people!!!!

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

GGniner Wrote:Ron Paul: "Iran has no military" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3cg3BCuafo

Iran has no Air Force. They have virtually no Navy. They have no delivery system. Israel could whipe them off the planet very easily. They are no threat to us.

sigh, Iran has a strong Air Force http://www.iiaf.net/home.html
its even on Wiki, they also have a well equipped navy capable of shutting down the world/global economy by stopping the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz, which would shoot the price of oil/gas up over night by several hundred percent, many people would die, especially in winter time. 98% of the population is dependent on oil to get food to them and for a reasonable price.

They also have something more dangerous, Hezzbollah and now Al-Qaeda. On top of that they beleive in 13th Imam Islamic theology, they claim to beleive this. in a nutshell this theology says they must basically destroy the world and this will bring about the 13th imam(their messiah). and they want a Nuke....and Ron Paul says they are no threat.

isolationism and moral relativism(which debunks itself) will not work in a global economy with Nukes, modern technology and the Information Age in general.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:AND HOLY F*CKING SH*T at saying Ron wouldn't be good for our economy. He's THE ONLY ONE on that stage talking about our massive economic problems. The Federal Reserve is basically counterfeiting.... they're bumping up money supply to try and cover our ever growing deficit. The pound trades at nearly 2 to 1 to the dollar now. We are on the verge of a financial crisis. If the dollar bubble bursts, we'll see a depression that will make the 1930's look like a cakewalk. We're borrowing 3 billion dollars a day from Japan and China to cover our consumption. We're spending 1 trillion dollars a year on empire building overseas. We're about to eat 2.6 trillion dollars on the new immigration bill if it passes. Our entitlement system has accumulated over 60 trillion dollars of obligations. Our budgets have ALL TIME RECORD amounts of pork in them. A 60 million dollar train line to a town of less than 1,000 people who already have a highway. A 250 million dollar bridge to an island of less than 50 people. We're letting China and others cheat on trade with our tariff system. It's impossible to compete ... we're driving industry overseas. There's a reason we only have ONE COMPANY LEFT IN THE ENTIRE NATION that can build armor plating for our military. And worse yet, the inflation is absolutely eating away at the middle class and poor of this country. Wall Street is booming, but the poor and middle class are really hurting. Ron Paul is the ONLY PERSON ON STAGE (except Duncan Hunter on trade) talking about this!!!!!!!!!! Wake the hell up people!!!!

Go back and read what I said again. You got it wrong. I was talking about being an isolationist and how that wouldn't work.

Sheesh man, relax!

Quote:but the poor and middle class are really hurting

turn off lou dobbs, look at real stats in context and then go to a middle class mall on the weekend and watch all the dollars rolling out of the middle class wallets by choice. and this is with $3+ gas

How'd that non-intervention thing work out for England, Swag? As for Iran posing no threat, don't really need that strong of a military if you have intercontinental ballistic missiles, now do you? I've see you go from Rudy to Ron Paul. Tell me, what DO you believe?

I stand by my statement. Ron Paul is a kook.

we NUKED Japan, where is the blowback from that?

Pauls 'definition' of blowback is flawed and twisted, like much of his history. I beleive the CIA defines 'blowback' as when an intelligence operation goes bad such that the intelligence community is hurt.

when he connects 9/11 to Iraq(amazingly), something Bush has never done except through the overall war on terror connections, he's doing so with a blame america first twist exclusively. none of the 9/11 plotters were iraqi's, most were Saudi's(the country hated Saddam). Further, we went to war with Afghan, who we allied with and helped out in the 1980's.......this is a religious war(for them).....

I suggest reading Qur'an 9:5 and 9:29 if you want to know 'why they attacked" on 9/11.

Quote:"Fight and slay the pagans [Christians] wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush" (Surah 9:5)
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya [tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued." (Surah 9:29)

Osama and other Jihadist can commit terror attacks while quoting the words of the Koran and Mohammed to justify them, yet to minds like Ron Paul we should ignore that and blame ourselves.

I wonder, if a "christian" nation was attacking the US and US/Global Interest and pointing to the Bible for justification, for the sake of argument...would the secular Left be so quick to blame America first then?

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Sounds to me like Paul is an isolationist, and that will not work in a global economy.

Paul is a non-interventionist. There is a difference.

AND HOLY F*CKING SH*T at saying Ron wouldn't be good for our economy. He's THE ONLY ONE on that stage talking about our massive economic problems. The Federal Reserve is basically counterfeiting.... they're bumping up money supply to try and cover our ever growing deficit. The pound trades at nearly 2 to 1 to the dollar now. We are on the verge of a financial crisis. If the dollar bubble bursts, we'll see a depression that will make the 1930's look like a cakewalk. We're borrowing 3 billion dollars a day from Japan and China to cover our consumption. We're spending 1 trillion dollars a year on empire building overseas. We're about to eat 2.6 trillion dollars on the new immigration bill if it passes. Our entitlement system has accumulated over 60 trillion dollars of obligations. Our budgets have ALL TIME RECORD amounts of pork in them. A 60 million dollar train line to a town of less than 1,000 people who already have a highway. A 250 million dollar bridge to an island of less than 50 people. We're letting China and others cheat on trade with our tariff system. It's impossible to compete ... we're driving industry overseas. There's a reason we only have ONE COMPANY LEFT IN THE ENTIRE NATION that can build armor plating for our military. And worse yet, the inflation is absolutely eating away at the middle class and poor of this country. Wall Street is booming, but the poor and middle class are really hurting. Ron Paul is the ONLY PERSON ON STAGE (except Duncan Hunter on trade) talking about this!!!!!!!!!! Wake the hell up people!!!!

Those are good points about the economy. I don't think anybody believes it's really that bad.

RebelKev Wrote:

Endzone2 Wrote:I think it's from smoking too much weed. Most all Libertarians hold this right in high regard.

What does thinking it should be illegal have to do with usage? You think that just because someone believes something should be legal that they actually partake in it? I have a Secret security clearance. Can't touch it. However, I see no reason it should be illegal.

Exactly.

I think that all drugs should be decriminalized, but I wouldn't touch the stuff.